Superman vs Terrax & Firelord

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Didn't the New Warriors and Reed just call on Surfer to beat Terrax? Because that happened in the fight I am aware of. Or did they fight Terrax twice?

The New Warrior's have fought Terrax twice. In the first fight, he had just recently reformed and was unstable as well as weakened. They eventually figured out he needed constant contact with the Earth and defeated him that way. That's all I can remember without opening the comic itself.

In the second fight, Terrax inhabited the body of a scientist and fought the New Warrior's, Fantastic Four and a couple of Psionex members. They eventually summoned Norrin who then stranded him on an asteroid.

His fought Surfer another time. It was the issue in which he had just beaten Doom, and the Fantastic Three. They call in Surfer and the two go toe to toe for a bit. Terrax was unstable at the time for one reason or another -even his earth manipulation was off- I believe so he unleashed his power in a huge explosion and was destroyed. Even Surfer didn't take the explosion in stride. IRCC, Ben had to carry him out.

I'll try and find the scans.

Norrin did embarrass him somewhat but it wasn't what I'd call a beat down. Here's the fight:

And it should be noted that Terrax should have been weakened and drained as they were blasting him with those weapons for at least a few pages:

Terrax also showed that he can lash out in all directions, meaning he won't simply be a punching bag for a blitzing Superman:

These scans are from New Warriors #17. Except the second last one. That's from New Warriors #16.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So how is that loss in any way indicative of Superman winning against Terrax, much less Terrax AND Firelord?

Because Terrax is a herald these days. High-metas don't bust planets in a single shot while heavily weakened. That's what Terrax did in Annihilation.

How would Terrax win or become a factor in such a fight, when Superman could literally throw him into deep space, quicker than it took for me to type this?

Here's the other fight I was talking about:

I don't remember what issue it was from however.

Originally posted by Stoic
Well, did Galactus return him to his former glory? Terrax is nothing more than a high meta these days, and far less than he was back when John Byrne sketched the Fantastic Four. Superman should be able to rock him with no problems at all. Loss of the axe (very possible, it's not enchanted) means loss of consciousness. He's really a non factor.

Galactus never did so. Terrax eventually inhabited the body of a scientist. He has a physical form but has never been returned to the peak of his powers. If he has been written as being at full power, it was probably simply forgotten such as Hercules never being returned to immortality on panel.

Originally posted by Stoic
How would Terrax win or become a factor in such a fight, when Superman could literally throw him into deep space, quicker than it took for me to type this?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because Terrax can travel in space under his own power and come back.

When did this happen? I thought that Terrax needed land mass to travel? Why in the scan so generously provided by Rage of Olympus, did Surfer say that Terrax was unable to make space voyages? Why was Terrax nearly helpless when the Heralds battled Morg in space, and told Surfer to place him on solid ground? Am I unaware of Galactus restoring Terrax when he said that he would never again return him to his former glory? Like I said he's a non factor.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Here's the other fight I was talking about:

I don't remember what issue it was from however.

Galactus never did so. Terrax eventually inhabited the body of a scientist. He has a physical form but has never been returned to the peak of his powers. If he has been written as being at full power, it was probably simply forgotten such as Hercules never being returned to immortality on panel.

Galactus was disgusted with the Tamer, he wouldn't have given him back full power, because he was useless to Galactus. The difference between Herc and Zeus and Galactus and Terrax, is that Galactus doesn't give a rats ass about Terrax, Hercules is Zeus' son. Big difference.

Originally posted by Stoic
When did this happen? I thought that Terrax needed land mass to travel? Why in the scan so generously provided by Rage of Olympus, did Surfer say that Terrax was unable to make space voyages? Why was Terrax nearly helpless when the Heralds battled Morg in space, and told Surfer to place him on solid ground? Am I unaware of Galactus restoring Terrax when he said that he would never again return him to his former glory? Like I said he's a non factor.

Terrax was able to later use land to travel through space. A rock or an asteroid could be his surfboard.

Originally posted by Stoic
Galactus was disgusted with the Tamer, he wouldn't have given him back full power, because he was useless to Galactus. The difference between Herc and Zeus and Galactus and Terrax, is that Galactus doesn't give a rats ass about Terrax, Hercules is Zeus' son. Big difference.

Just because you have nothing, doesn't mean you have to resort to attacking the character himself. It doesn't make your argument seem any more solid.

And Terrax wasn't useless. He betrayed Galactus.

Originally posted by Stoic
Why was Terrax nearly helpless when the Heralds battled Morg in space, and told Surfer to place him on solid ground?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
So how is that loss in any way indicative of Superman winning against Terrax, much less Terrax AND Firelord?

Because Terrax is a herald these days. High-metas don't bust planets in a single shot while heavily weakened. That's what Terrax did in Annihilation.

The axe busted the planet, not Terrax. It is also an item that could be dislodged from Terrax's grasp, and he wouldn't be able to summon it like Thor summons Mjolnir, or the Surfer summons his board. Terrax is in fact a high meta, with a Heralds weapon. Take the axe away and I bet Skaar would turn him out.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Read the comic.

Read the scan.

Terrax high meta? Lulz.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Terrax high meta? Lulz.

How is Terrax a Herald level character? What Herald level character could he keep up with? This of course is pedantic, and has no solid reason to be part of this debate. Terrax is at a disadvantage, he could not keep up with Superman if Superman grabbed Firelord and flew into deep space to show his physical dominance. Terrax would also be unable to stop Superman from streaking behind him, grabbing him and throwing him into space. What do you call him in this fight? I calll him a non factor.

I call this classic lowballing and wanking.

Supes could probably beat the rest of Big G`s heralds too since they`d just line up, take a number and wait their turn. Plus they are all stupid.

Originally posted by Mshinu
I call this classic lowballing and wanking.

Supes could probably beat the rest of Big G`s heralds too since they`d just line up, take a number and wait their turn. Plus they are all stupid.

Not really, I'm stating that Terrax is slow, and he can't fly so he would not be able to help Firelord in this fight. Did you read the scan? Are you ignoring what the Surfer said to Terrax when he dropped him off on that planet? Are you taking sides based on your feelings towards a certain character?

^ I take it you haven't read the comic.

Originally posted by Stoic
How is Terrax a Herald level character?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ I take it you haven't read the comic. How? Because he's actually a Herald. 😐

I read the comic, but it was a long time ago, early 90's the finer details have been lost to memory, all the same I got the jist.

Terrax is a former Herald, that was stripped of the upper levels of his ability, reducing him to less than a Herald.

Did you read the scan? Are you ignoring what the Surfer said to Terrax concerning his travel abilities? It's ok really, if you want to play it that way, I don't see any reason to debate this any longer, I made my points, you skated around them, and here we are... stuck on stupid.

did u read the OP..it says fight in space..obviously he's using Terrax at his best..why would the OP put the fight in space if Terrax is useless there..

Perhaps the OP didn't know what Terrax's current state is? Why don't you ask them? In space I'd assume that he would be standing on a rocky surface that he would manipulate. Superman would still be able to grab him and throw him into deeper space away from the battle with Firelord.

It's ok for these guys to know all about Superman and his powers and weakness but not ok for Supes to know theirs? Is this how it is? Terrax in space is a bigger liability than he would be on a planet. Now he's not only a non factor, he's useless.

If this is the Terrax of the early 80's then I give this to the Heralds, but I was under the impression that we debate characters in their current standings.

Originally posted by Stoic
The axe busted the planet, not Terrax. It is also an item that could be dislodged from Terrax's grasp, and he wouldn't be able to summon it like Thor summons Mjolnir, or the Surfer summons his board. Terrax is in fact a high meta, with a Heralds weapon. Take the axe away and I bet Skaar would turn him out.

No, the axe is just an axe made of an incredibly strong metal. In the comic where he busted a planet Terrax outright states that it's HIS energy that is projected from the axe, which he stops doing and uses the axe as the simple weapon that it is, but backed up by his strength to cleave The Space Parasite in half.

Where on earth are you getting the idea that it was the axe which wrecked the planet and not Terrax at all? It's like me claiming Spiderman is a peak human but his webbing allows class 10 feats.

How many high meta's do you know who could survive falling from orbit unprotected whilst majorly weakened? Or who could completely annihilate a planet after losing the majority of energy their energy? Or reduce Morg to a skeleton with an axe hit?

And to your earlier statement about Firelrod not having a healing factor, also false- Morg embedded his axe into Firelord's chest, knocking him down, then a few pages later Firelord was completely recovered and back to full power.