In Avengers #302, FireLord's ability to recover from injuries at an incredibly speed was also mentioned and shown.
Originally posted by Stoic
The axe busted the planet, not Terrax. It is also an item that could be dislodged from Terrax's grasp, and he wouldn't be able to summon it like Thor summons Mjolnir, or the Surfer summons his board. Terrax is in fact a high meta, with a Heralds weapon. Take the axe away and I bet Skaar would turn him out.
You don't really know much about Terrax do you?
Originally posted by AlmightyKfishThe void mode in Siege was PIS against Sentry in the sense it was a bad showing for the Void. Remember he has MM's powers and should easily kill anyone in seige with ease (with a thought). MM Sentry is the most powerful Sentry. Terrax Sentry is second most powerful. Terrax was in character, so what r u talking about?
Yet when he was at his 'most powerful' in Void mode in Siege, Ares sliced him open and Thor was giving him a fight.Yet Terrax is easily defeated by him, not even in Void mode. It was pretty much PIS, and Terrax's vast out of character behaviour simply adds to that.
Originally posted by h1a8
The void mode in Siege was PIS against Sentry in the sense it was a bad showing for the Void. Remember he has MM's powers and should easily kill anyone in seige with ease (with a thought). MM Sentry is the most powerful Sentry. Terrax Sentry is second most powerful. Terrax was in character, so what r u talking about?
Again with the "he had MM's powers", bleh, keep that yellow/black thing out of my thread and keep it between these characters, I'm sure you can find another character Terrax jobbed to.
If Superman blitzed one character from the beginning then he can put them out in a hot second. This is because they won't get a chance to act. Imagine more than 1000 Hercules punches in less than a second. This would leave a one on one situation where Superman will definitely win.
Without the blitz Superman loses about 5-6 out of 10. He still wins 4-5 due to speed, vibration, freeze breath, HV, and selective combos. A freeze from his breath will buy him about a sec or two (which is a mighty long time for Superman). He can just keep doing this (freezing one opponent and fighting the other). Plus Supes HV is not to be underestimated here, neither is his pressure point fighting ability and selective combos.
Originally posted by psycho gundam
kinda ironic that he picked skaar of all characters, terraxe has better feats using the same powers
Skaar is a child, and I would be voting for him to beat Terrax at the levels that he is on these days, if weapons weren't allowed.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
In Avengers #302, FireLord's ability to recover from injuries at an incredibly speed was also mentioned and shown.You don't really know much about Terrax do you?
Forum rules state that all characters participating unless stated otherwise, has knowledge of their opponent/'s. This means that Superman knows how powerful these two are, and they know him as well. I would think it does as far as my understanding goes.
I don't have any scans, or a way other than going to their respect sections and comparing who's feats are better than the others. I haven't seen everything that these guys have done, but perhaps you have, you could share their more obscured appearances, and I'll compare them to what the respect section has of Superman. If feats are done more than once they are considered canon as well. Let's keep it straight... damage yield, natural body armor (not a suit), speed, strength, ability to take control of any given situation. These things most be taken into consideration. What do we have, arguing semantics won't cut it, let's compare. Scans should fine correct?
These guys have to measure up to Superman, not the other way around. Aside from being taken off guard by the Heralds from the door, both sides are aware of the current situation while facing each other.
How is Terrax going to keep up with Superman grabbing Firelord, restraining him, while at the same moment flying him off at light speed, far away from him? When did Terrax gain the ability to fly in space again? Last I read he was grounded.
Superman has a choice in this fight he can pick who he wants to take. There were scans that Rage posted but now they are gone, The Silver Surfer stated in those scans that Plularis VI would be Terrax's new home, and that he could not leave... Why? Because he can't fly. He is useless in this fight, all Superman has to do is out muscle Firelord and drag him away from Terrax. In Superman's favor he would be able to use BFR control protocols. He could leave with Firelord, whoop him out at super laser writer speed, and come back and take on Terrax.
Is there any proof that Firelord can out-muscle Superman, when Superman canonically out-muscled Thor? While Thor is stronger than Firelord? ABC logic doesn't always have to fail, or be false either.
How can you type that much but say so little of value?
And no, Terrax will not be useless. He can fly using earth and so on.
Who said anything about FireLord out-muscling Superman. Prove JLA/Avengers is cannon (For Marvel at least) DC vs. Marvel has more evidence to support it's status as cannon than that event.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
How can you type that much but say so little of value?And no, Terrax will not be useless. He can fly using earth and so on.
Who said anything about FireLord out-muscling Superman. Prove JLA/Avengers is cannon (For Marvel at least) DC vs. Marvel has more evidence to support it's status as cannon than that event.
Because it's not valuable, none of this is. Both companies agreed on the translation of the characters, because it was published, it goes without saying that the outcome of the events that happened in each book is how the writers, and companies agreed they would be, who are we to say that they are wrong? They possess all rights to claims.
The fight takes place in space, remember? Superman has the power to pulverize Terrax's mud ball, and toss him far away from any debris, so that he has nothing to latch onto (earth-mass wise). Then Firelord and Superman can do a one on one. Who do you think wins?
Terrax has been able to fly in space since Annihilation. Your knowledge of his current levels is quite obsolete. Also, FTL travel and being to track cosmic energy is standard for ALL Galactus heralds, even Terrax. :-/ Supes won't be able to split them apart, not by a longshot.
If Supe's shatters the earth Terrax is standing on, it's a simple matter for him to reconstitute it.
Superman can stomp Terrax and can certainly pull at least 8-9/10 against Firelord, but 2-on-1, it's team 9/10 at least.
Originally posted by Stoic
Because it's not valuable, none of this is. Both companies agreed on the translation of the characters, because it was published, it goes without saying that the outcome of the events that happened in each book is how the writers, and companies agreed they would be, who are we to say that they are wrong? They possess all rights to claims.The fight takes place in space, remember? Superman has the power to pulverize Terrax's mud ball, and toss him far away from any debris, so that he has nothing to latch onto (earth-mass wise). Then Firelord and Superman can do a one on one. Who do you think wins?
That doesn't make it cannon. What we saw is Busiek's opinion of how the fight would go if he had to pick a definitive winner. And Busiek's take on Thor is lower end than other writers. Fighting Superman to a near stalemate was probably that Thor's greatest showing.
What would prevent Terrax to summon earth to him?
And you keep throwing out these scenarios as if Superman is the only one on the offensive.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Terrax has been able to fly in space since Annihilation. Your knowledge of his current levels is quite obsolete. Also, FTL travel and being to track cosmic energy is standard for ALL Galactus heralds, even Terrax. :-/ Supes won't be able to split them apart, not by a longshot.If Supe's shatters the earth Terrax is standing on, it's a simple matter for him to reconstitute it.
Superman can stomp Terrax and can certainly pull at least 8-9/10 against Firelord, but 2-on-1, it's team 9/10 at least.
He was flying in space under his own power? Why was he riding in a space ship just before the destroyed that planet?
What are you talking about? Way back in the day Terrax lost his full powers, because Galactus stripped him of most, which included flight in space, and considerable might. Today however, what stops Supes from tossing him far away from the battlefield, Superman could force a one on one with Firelord.
Originally posted by Stoic
He was flying in space under his own power? Why was he riding in a space ship just before the destroyed that planet?What are you talking about? Way back in the day Terrax lost his full powers, because Galactus stripped him of most, which included flight in space, and considerable might. Today however, what stops Supes from tossing him far away from the battlefield, Superman could force a one on one with Firelord.
He was under the control of the Wave due to the little worm things in his flesh. As soon as they were removed, he was so weakened by the experience he couldn't quite bring his power to bear.
You need to read AFTER he destroyed the planet and the instance when he was captured. Both instances, there was NO indication of any use of any type of space vehicle whatsoever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That doesn't make it cannon. What we saw is Busiek's opinion of how the fight would go if he had to pick a definitive winner. And Busiek's take on Thor is lower end than other writers. Fighting Superman to a near stalemate was probably that Thor's greatest showing.What would prevent Terrax to summon earth to him?
And you keep throwing out these scenarios as if Superman is the only one on the offensive.
How do you think it would go if Thor faced Wonder Woman and J'onn? What would be your opinion concerning, Flash vs Quicksilver? How about Superman being ganged up on by the Avengers heavy hitters, after going a round with Thor? I think it translated well, There were legal agreements that were ironed out between the two companies, let's not forget that the JLA/Avengers cross was in the making for years, until they finally agreed who would win in certain circumstances.
They even went above and beyond, by stating that the powers of chaos and order were greater in DC than Marvel by showing the effects that it had on the Scarlett Witch, her powers upset the Lords of Chaos.
Believe what you want to believe, their strength comparisons were pretty dead on. The guys that drove Thor under in that comic would bring him down in any other comic.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
He was under the control of the Wave due to the little worm things in his flesh. As soon as they were removed, he was so weakened by the experience he couldn't quite bring his power to bear.You need to read AFTER he destroyed the planet and the instance when he was captured. Both instances, there was NO indication of any use of any type of space vehicle whatsoever.
Galactus decreed that he was cast out, and he would never be able to rise again. Let's remember that it's Galactus' power, and he made sure that Terrax was grounded. It's akin to having his wings cut off.
If Galactus does not give him back the power(which may never happen) He won't be getting anymore powerful. Terrax was never dumb, he wasn't exactly portrayed as the Reed Richards type either though. Nope he never got an upgrade.
Originally posted by Stoic
How do you think it would go if Thor faced Wonder Woman and J'onn? What would be your opinion concerning, Flash vs Quicksilver? How about Superman being ganged up on by the Avengers heavy hitters, after going a round with Thor? I think it translated well, There were legal agreements that were ironed out between the two companies, let's not forget that the JLA/Avengers cross was in the making for years, until they finally agreed who would win in certain circumstances.
He would lose on average. Flash would win. Superman would go down.
Again, that doesn't make it cannon.
Originally posted by Stoic
They even went above and beyond, by stating that the powers of chaos and order were greater in DC than Marvel by showing the effects that it had on the Scarlett Witch, her powers upset the Lords of Chaos.
Okay?
Originally posted by Stoic
Believe what you want to believe, their strength comparisons were pretty dead on. The guys that drove Thor under in that comic would bring him down in any other comic.
Hahaha. No.
Originally posted by Stoic
Amazo was among the group that took Thor down before he passed Mjonir to Superman.Yea I think they would take him down.
Okay, and?
They who?
I unlike most Thor fans don't have a problem with JLA/Avengers. I knew Thor was going to lose as both sides wanted a clear winner and no way was Superman going to go down. Still, Busiek couldn't have made it any clearer -outside of measuring their strength- that Thor was without a doubt on Superman's level physically and ridiculously powerful (So powerful that Mjolnir made Clark hard)
I'd have preferred if Superman collapsed on his own after Thor went down but whatever.
Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Okay, and?They who?
I unlike most Thor fans don't have a problem with JLA/Avengers. I knew Thor was going to lose as both sides wanted a clear winner and no way was Superman going to go down. Still, Busiek couldn't have made it any clearer -outside of measuring their strength- that Thor was without a doubt on Superman's level physically and ridiculously powerful (So powerful that Mjolnir made Clark hard)
I'd have preferred if Superman collapsed on his own after Thor went down but whatever.
Do you have JLA/Avengers? How can you make the rule that states that the event was not canonized? Where does it state that it was not, and could this proof be manufactured? Believe what you will the translation between universes was there.
Originally posted by Stoic
Do you have JLA/Avengers? How can you make the rule that states that the event was not canonized? Where does it state that it was not, and could this proof be manufactured? Believe what you will the translation between universes was there.
Yes. It's not an disputed rule but evidence suggests that JLA/Avengers was not itself planned as an in-continuity project to begin with (Hence why the Avengers team in particular didn't match up with that appearing in the Avengers comic at the time.) It transpired late on into the project that it was going to be accepted into continuity after all (for DC, at least), but early on, Busiek joked that it was actually set in the same universe as those old Hostess Twinkie comic adverts.
I think DC vs. Marvel has more evidence to support that it's cannon -at least in Marvel- than JLA/Avengers.