Originally posted by Starscream M
I guess.I personally would agree that not all energy moves at lightspeed...based on some of the reasoning posed.
However, if you take the same reasoning, can we not then also say that in comics bullets don't actually move at bullet speed? as alot of streetlevelers have bullet dodging (sometimes even multiple bullets) feats that SHOULD be beyond even the reflexes of peak human.
Who has said it all moves at light speed? The argument is that, being what energy is composed of.. it's safer to assume it's FTL or close to light speed than some random nondescript cheetah speed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
The way it looks in the scan his hand was already moving when she fired her blast. The blast may or may not be traveling at light speed but I don't think Maker is, so more likely than not he anticipated the blast, which is in the same department as close range aim dodging a bullet, something that is actually possible IRL for humans with sufficient training.All that can be determined from that scan is that his reflexes and speed are better than street level. That's about it.
It isn't nearly enough on its own to prove he could defeat a speedblitz by Superman. Not even close.
Ahhhh but see... that isn't the only feat we have for Thanos is it Omega? So that alone wouldn't but a variety of things I've already mention does. So let me get this straight you feel most energy blast have to be stated outright to be moving at FTL in order for it to be? So you feel energy blast in general should be considered cheetah speed.. even though we know the makeup of the blast and what that would mean generally?
Furthermore, are you honestly claiming that Thanos was just swinging a backhand motion for the hell of it in the middle of the battle? You're claiming his hand was already moving.. wtf would his hand already be moving before the blast? Was there a fly in front of him he was trying to kill? What is more amusing is you're comparing that blast at close range with a bullets speed?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0why would comic energy behave like real life energy when virtually nothing else in comics behaves like their real-life counterparts?
Why would comic energy not behave like energy or behave far slower than energy?
in comics, people with speeds slower than bullets have shown to dodge bullets AFTER they were fired
in comics, people with normal physiology have been shown thrown through brick walls. in real life, the brick wall would be intact and the human would be a splatter.
in comics, people fail to recognize clark as superman because he changes his hair and wears glasses.
comics don't follow the laws of the real world...scientific or otherwise.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ahhhh but see... that isn't the only feat we have for Thanos is it Omega? So that alone wouldn't but a variety of things I've already mention does.
So let me get this straight you feel most energy blast have to be stated outright to be moving at FTL in order for it to be? So you feel energy blast in general should be considered cheetah speed.. even though we know the makeup of the blast and what that would mean generally?
Once more you're putting words in other peoples' mouths. It's a really bad habit.
The speed of the blast is irrelevant since the person firing it wasn't going FTL and thus could be anticipated.
Furthermore, are you honestly claiming that Thanos was just swinging a backhand motion for the hell of it in the middle of the battle? You're claiming his hand was already moving.. wtf would his hand already be moving before the blast? Was there a fly in front of him he was trying to kill? What is more amusing is you're comparing that blast at close range with a bullets speed?
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
have you been reading?what do you think energy blasts are made up of? You do know those certain elements go FTL correct?
Now that being said we can probably assume safely that most of the time an energy blast is intended to be travelling at light speed.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Wasn't saying that, only that the Maker feat really doesn't deserve serious consideration as an FTL reaction feat.Where did I state anything about "Cheetah speed"?
Once more you're putting words in other peoples' mouths. It's a really bad habit.
The speed of the blast is irrelevant since the person firing it wasn't going FTL and thus could be anticipated.
It was moving because he anticipated the blast, likely when Maker was raising her hand to fire. In practical terms unless you're a true speedster a bullet and an energy blast are pretty much the same thing at close range. Both can be aim dodged by highly trained MAs without any real super speed or enhanced reflexes if they can anticipate the attack coming as Thanos likely did. Maker raises her hand to blast Thanos, Thanos sees her raising her hand and starts moving into position to intercept it.
The premise that all energy blasts are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at similar speeds is faulty considering that in comics you have things like magic and cosmic energy who's properties transcend that of IRL electromagnetism.
Now that being said we can probably assume safely that most of the time an energy blast is intended to be travelling at light speed.
I agree with your last statement and this is what ODG (me agreeing with him) are trying to say. That being said, if it was considered to be a FTL blast AT THAT CLOSE of a range.. how does he reacting to it and getting it exactly right where ht was going to strike and when.. when is the key.. she could raise her hand and there might be a milisecond, second, 2 second.. who knows the delay. Thanos woudn't know how long it would take the blast to reach him. He would have to react very very quickly once it was fired. Regardless if you believe it was a FTL blast.. and Thanos was just AIM dodging.. How does this not mean that he could react to Superman's bullrush or speed attack. If he could react to what was intended to be a flt blast at that close range.. he couldn't react to superman standing from further away and going at him attacking him? Huh? How does this make sense?
Originally posted by Starscream M
in comics, people fail to recognize clark as superman because he changes his hair and wears glasses.
That ones actually surprisingly believable.
It seems like it should be obvious, but different eyes (effectively), different outfit, difference stance, it can throw one off. The best disguises are subtle and don't scream disguise.
Originally posted by Q99that some can be fooled might be believable...that all can be fooled is implausible.
That ones actually surprisingly believable.It seems like it should be obvious, but different eyes (effectively), different outfit, difference stance, it can throw one off. The best disguises are subtle and don't scream disguise.
Originally posted by Starscream M
that some can be fooled might be believable...that all can be fooled is implausible.
Clark Kent's not a major public figure or one who draws much scrutiny.
Don't think of it as a disguise to actively fool, so much as not draw attention in the first place. Nothing about it screams 'disguise,' or draws a connection and even if you notice the resemblance, it's easy to go, 'nah, too obvious, if he really had a secret identity he could do a lot better in all these ways I could think of!'
It's sort of a less-is-more thing.
Though it is pretty likely some of the people close to him like Perry White have figured it out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I agree with your last statement and this is what ODG (me agreeing with him) are trying to say. That being said, if it was considered to be a FTL blast AT THAT CLOSE of a range.. how does he reacting to it and getting it exactly right where ht was going to strike and when.. when is the key.. she could raise her hand and there might be a milisecond, second, 2 second.. who knows the delay. Thanos woudn't know how long it would take the blast to reach him. He would have to react very very quickly once it was fired. Regardless if you believe it was a FTL blast.. and Thanos was just AIM dodging.. How does this not mean that he could react to Superman's bullrush or speed attack. If he could react to what was intended to be a flt blast at that close range.. he couldn't react to superman standing from further away and going at him attacking him? Huh? How does this make sense?
There are RL people who train to dodge a bullet from close range (as in a mugging attempt) by anticipating the trigger pull and aim-dodging. In this case Thanos anticipated the blast and intercepted it with his fist. But the cue to the blast (Maker raising her hand) is much slower than Superman blitzing would be.
Originally posted by Starscream M
that some can be fooled might be believable...that all can be fooled is implausible.
Originally posted by Q99
Clark Kent's not a major public figure or one who draws much scrutiny.Don't think of it as a disguise to actively fool, so much as not draw attention in the first place. Nothing about it screams 'disguise,' or draws a connection and even if you notice the resemblance, it's easy to go, 'nah, too obvious, if he really had a secret identity he could do a lot better in all these ways I could think of!'
It's sort of a less-is-more thing.
Though it is pretty likely some of the people close to him like Perry White have figured it out.
Originally posted by Q99clark kent is not a major figure...but nor is he a unknown recluse
Clark Kent's not a major public figure or one who draws much scrutiny.Don't think of it as a disguise to actively fool, so much as not draw attention in the first place. Nothing about it screams 'disguise,' or draws a connection and even if you notice the resemblance, it's easy to go, 'nah, too obvious, if he really had a secret identity he could do a lot better in all these ways I could think of!'
It's sort of a less-is-more thing.
Though it is pretty likely some of the people close to him like Perry White have figured it out.
he's not working as a farmer in some little town...he's a name reporter for one of the biggest papers of one of the biggest cities
you'd think that those in the daily planet...sees hundreds of images of superman and sees clark on a daily basis would at least comment on their likeness
from where I come, 6'3 extremely well built men with perfect faces are pretty rare.
Originally posted by Starscream M
clark kent is not a major figure...but nor is he a unknown reclusehe's not working as a farmer in some little town...he's a name reporter for one of the biggest papers of one of the biggest cities
you'd think that those in the daily planet...sees hundreds of images of superman and sees clark on a daily basis would at least comment on their likeness
I think they occasionally have, but more in the "oh, if he was an actor, he could play Superman" sense. I think Clark's even pointed it out on occasion to throw people off (if he says it, then they start noticing the differences).
Most people also don't 'think' of Clark as a big guy. He slumps a little, has an unassuming outgoing attitude, and so on. While Superman projects presence, even when he's in other costumes or depowered or both.
Originally posted by KuRuPT ThanosiI might be willing to compromise here. How about a five-legged cheetah? Those must go really fast. The extra leg and all.
You didn't know ODG.... All blasts by default should be generalized as Cheetah speed not FTL or close to it... Duh
Originally posted by Omega VisionI would like to make clear that this argument does not require that all comic energy beams/rays/lasers be electromagnetic in nature. Things can travel at light speed that aren't electromagnetic in nature. I'm just recognizing that what we conceive of, as energy, is inevitably tied into the concept of electromagnetic radiation. Which despite it being radio waves or x-rays, or infrared light or gamma radiation, or microwaves or ultraviolet rays, they still all travel at light speed. And this is reflected, purposefully or not, throughout comics. There's even a wide variety of on-panel quantifications that support that. That's not coincidence. It's a pattern. That's not an aggrandization. It's a habit.
The premise that all energy blasts are electromagnetic in nature and thus travel at similar speeds is faulty considering that in comics you have things like magic and cosmic energy who's properties transcend that of IRL electromagnetism.Now that being said we can probably assume safely that most of the time an energy blast is intended to be travelling at light speed.
Cool. I mean, it's a person-to-person thing. Not like this is some unsaid KMC forum rule that is so entrenched nobody is allowed to refuse applying it. But I think it's fairly obvious. And these exacting requirements (which are just negative proof fallacies) and the silly "it's-all-or-nothing" ultimatums being thrown at it are more justifiably thrown at other measurements of superspeed.
Originally posted by Q99ben affleck could slump, wear glasses, mess up his hair...and he would still look exactly like ben affleck
I think they occasionally have, but more in the "oh, if he was an actor, he could play Superman" sense. I think Clark's even pointed it out on occasion to throw people off (if he says it, then they start noticing the differences).Most people also don't 'think' of Clark as a big guy. He slumps a little, has an unassuming outgoing attitude, and so on. While Superman projects presence, even when he's in other costumes or depowered or both.
its very difficult to make yourself unrecognizable without drastic measures (prosthetics or surgery)
Originally posted by Starscream M
ben affleck could slump, wear glasses, mess up his hair...and he would still look exactly like ben affleckits very difficult to make yourself unrecognizable without drastic measures (prosthetics or surgery)
I think he has more recognizable features than Superman... but, right outfit, right look, I bet he could do it. I would not immediately think this is this, especially if they were acting differently than each other.
It's much easier to make yourself less noticeable or recognizable-but-easily-dismissed than trying to be unrecognizable.
The Clark Kent thing is a workable disguise because it's not going for unrecognizable, just a combination of non-attention drawing and plausibly deniable, then relying on acting and a good background for the rest.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
"pros" can disguise themselves with very little to work with and not modifying themselves much at all. if people dont believe you could possibly be someone, their brains will go to great lengths to continue that belief
Quite. The brain's surprisingly easily fooled and likes to fill in blanks.
Not a direct example, but there was a test done where people would swap-out mid conversation for a different person, and as long as they acted like they were the same person the other person wouldn't notice they're talking to someone wearing a different shirt, different height, and with a different look.
If you aren't examining something, the human mind can be surprisingly easy to trick.
