Cross Genre Match #13: Wonder Woman vs Bleach

Originally posted by illadelph12
So as a synopsis:

The WW argument is that she just blitzes and one shots all 13 of them in the first few seconds

She doesn't need to blitz them (though her speed is certainly faster), she can likely work through them individually while defending, avoiding, canceling, or flat out tanking most of the other's abilities.

Heck, some of the stronger ones will almost certainly wipe out a fair number of the weaker with area of effect abilities if they use them 🙂 Mayuri can't use his bankai or Ulquiorra his energy spears without guaranteeing hitting pretty much everyone.

If Starrk uses his cero barrage (and I don't see why he wouldn't at least once), Diana can reflect it at everyone else on the field and see who's still standing.

Do any of these Bleach characters have any soul manipulation or extraction abilities? Or conventional telekinesis?

No TK. Their blades do affect the soul, but in the sense of 'when someone is killed by one specific stuff happens to their soul,' rather than allowing them to do something special to a still active soul. They still have to hack someone down to dead to get it to work.

There's also the espada soul-suck abilities, but it only works on weak souls and can be ignored by everyone else.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You are lowballing, and consistently ignoring the rules, which can actually get you warned, dude.

How am I lowballing when I am proving my point. I'm not saying anything about Wonder Woman, what I am telling you is that using Flash as evidence of super speed is ridiculous when EVERYONE has tagged him.

Thats not low balling, thats showing that your feats are ridiculous and you all are basically being bias and accepting one feat for a character and not accepting it for another just to help your arguments. What makes Wonder Woman tagging Flash any different from the rest of the hundreds that has done it?

😮

I'm going to let you all have this because no matter what is shown or what people ask for, your mind is made up.

Wonder Woman 10/10, she speed blitz them while talking on her Cell Phone along with doing the Cha Cha slide with that speed that is>>>Flash

For the people that is going for bleach, I'll pray for you.

Originally posted by illadelph12
Do any of these Bleach characters have any soul manipulation or extraction abilities? Or conventional telekinesis?

kido is being ignored to an astounding level, most likely because... "Wonder Woman would speed blitz them before they even started the chant" 😱

Could WW escape the black coffin? And what's stopping Aizen from spamming "Splitting void"?

I don't know much about WW.

Originally posted by illadelph12
So as a synopsis:

The WW argument is that she just blitzes and one shots all 13 of them in the first few seconds

whereas,

The Bleach argument is that they have a myriad of abilities at their disposal, including time slow, darkness projection, and voodoo dolls, which, when used in conjunction, can nullify that speed advantage and take Diana out?

Hmm...

Do any of these Bleach characters have any soul manipulation or extraction abilities? Or conventional telekinesis?

The darkness ability makes a big dome, within which everybody except the one triggering it is senseless. If it is used, then none of the other bleach characters will be able to intervene.

People have been VERY misleading about the voodoo doll thing. It is true that he can make them. However, he has to do THIS first:

http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-293/bleach-ch293-06.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-293/bleach-ch293-07.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-293/bleach-ch293-08.png.php
http://www.bleachanime.org/manga/Bleach-Chapter-293/bleach-ch293-09.png.php

And in this fight, it's not going to happen.

Originally posted by amnesia
Could WW escape the black coffin? And what's stopping Aizen from spamming "Splitting void"?

The black coffin's a blast spell, not a permanent imprisonment. She could likely dodge out of the way as it's forming, or tank it.

He can spam Splitting Void all he wants, it's only a rectangular barrier that can be dodged around, and probably couldn't stop a tiara throw (which can cut through pretty much anything).

marwash22
kido is being ignored to an astounding level, most likely because... "Wonder Woman would speed blitz them before they even started the chant"

I'd say it's because most of the time, their strongest abilities are their unique individual powers and not kido. Only a few use kido primarily in battle.

Also, most kido likely isn't going to be strong enough. She's fairly magic resistant (and her lasso can even be used to make an anti-magic zone), we know binding kido can be overcome via physical force, and in term of blasts an attack kido is no harder to deal with than other kinds. Powering through it is an option for most.

Originally posted by Q99
The black coffin's a blast spell, not a permanent imprisonment. She could likely dodge out of the way as it's forming, or tank it.

He can spam Splitting Void all he wants, it's only a rectangular barrier that can be dodged around, and probably couldn't stop a tiara throw (which can cut through pretty much anything).

I'd say it's because most of the time, their strongest abilities are their unique individual powers and not kido. Only a few use kido primarily in battle.

Also, most kido likely isn't going to be strong enough. She's fairly magic resistant (and her lasso can even be used to make an anti-magic zone), we know binding kido can be overcome via physical force, and in term of blasts an attack kido is no harder to deal with than other kinds. Powering through it is an option for most.

But Aizen has a healing factor. So splitting him in two wouldn't really do shit.

Originally posted by amnesia
Could WW escape the black coffin? And what's stopping Aizen from spamming "Splitting void"?

I don't know much about WW.

There's also the fact that Tessai can stop time... but of course, he'd get blitzed before he ever got the chance to use that technique.

Splitting void can only stop kido. It won't stop WW.

http://www.mangareader.net/94-756-7/bleach/chapter-302.html
http://www.mangareader.net/94-756-8/bleach/chapter-302.html

Originally posted by King Kandy
Splitting void can only stop kido. It won't stop WW.

Wasn't splitting void that huge explosion?

Originally posted by amnesia
Wasn't splitting void that huge explosion?

No, it's a barrier one.

The big offense one Aizen uses is Black Coffin, while the Ittō Kasō Yamamoto uses is a suicide-blast kido and probably what you're thinking of.

I'm going to venture in here and ask... since we had the discussion about in-world powers affecting neutral world (regarding Matrix) in the tier thread:

Are we supposed to consider the negative effect that high levels of reiatsu have on opponents?

i suppose so, but the WW supporters would just say that she is immune or wouldnt be effected by it. WW has human physiology, correct? Normal humans and even those with less reiatsu pretty much crumble in the presence of people like Aizen and Yama...

Originally posted by marwash22
WW has human physiology, correct?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Not really. She's made by the Gods from clay that was then given life by the Gods. I can think of two instances (though there are probably more) where she was effected by transmutation of some kind: Neron and Emperor Joker. Both of whom are far higher on the totem pole than anyone here.

To be more direct: has she been shown being able to resist a spiritual force?... like when Yama brought Nanao to her knees by pumping out reiatsu.

Originally posted by marwash22
sure, but I'm asking about her physical being... is there anything that sets her apart from a normal human?

To be more direct: has she been shown being able to resist a spiritual force?... like when Yama brought Nanao to her knees by pumping out reiatsu.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Let me ask you a question: who's the most durable person this effect has felled?

I'm gonna assume your line of questioning is leading to you countering this by saying Wonder Woman is extremely durable, i can't argue that at all. However, the effect has nothing to do with how physically strong a person is... reiatsu attacks your body and you have to use your own spirit pressure to keep from getting overwhelmed.

I don't think it's a matter of physical durability if it's a spiritual attack. Different dynamics. Has Wonder Woman had her soul/spirit manipulated or had her body possessed?

Originally posted by illadelph12
I don't think it's a matter of physical durability if it's a spiritual attack. Different dynamics.

This is why i ask has Wonder Woman ever faced someone who could pump out spiritual force. It's likely she wouldn't be able to handle the stress being put on her spirit/body.

Fun fact, reiatsu does not attack your soul.

In fact, no character in the series has actually shown proper spiritual attacks.

Spirits in Bleach are physical.