Good ole fashioned book burn'n.

Originally posted by Robtard
Blame the media for that, but those overractors are just as idiotic as that Pastor in Florida.

Flag burning isn't illegal in the US, so why should the US react to it if Afghans do it?

Besides killing thousands and thousands of Muslims (and others) that have no capability let alone intention of harming the US/Americans and serving as a rallying point for US hatred, what exactly do you think dropping a nuke on Mecca would accomplish?

it would deliver a regional and more importantly a global message: Don't fcuk with the U.S.

and if thousands of innocent muslims die hey. again all's fair in war. thousands and thousands of americans have perished due to this war and when the towers collapsed and they got their message through while having alot to do with messing up the u.s. economy. and they still hate us to death.

The lives of a thousand muslims = the life of 1 american to me.

i may seem extreme but fire has to be fought with fire. the u.s. has to stop bringing knives to a gun fight cause i don't care how big you'll lose 10 outta 10 times in that scenario.

u.s. combat operations've stop? maybe for the u.s. but islamofacists will never stop. they'll never stop being extreme, if they could, they would nuke nyc, boston, and washington simultaneously if they had the chance.

i wonder what rome would've done with the mentality of then with the capabilities we have now and the situation we have with islamist extremist. i wouldn't have been pretty, i wager.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
Anger has its own kind of logic.

Originally posted by SamZED
In this case the dumb kind.

That would assume that there is an intelligent side to this argument.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That would assume that there is an intelligent side to this argument.

if the question is: "Should the united states drop nukes on Mecca?", there is an obviously intelligent answer.

Originally posted by inimalist
if the question is: "Should the united states drop nukes on Mecca?", there is an obviously intelligent answer.

The topic of the thread is burning the Koran. Did the guy in Florida say something about nuking Mecca? 😕

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
it would deliver a regional and more importantly a global message: Don't fcuk with the U.S.

and if thousands of innocent muslims die hey. again all's fair in war. thousands and thousands of americans have perished due to this war and when the towers collapsed and they got their message through while having alot to do with messing up the u.s. economy. and they still hate us to death.

The lives of a thousand muslims = the life of 1 american to me.

i may seem extreme but fire has to be fought with fire. the u.s. has to stop bringing knives to a gun fight cause i don't care how big you'll lose 10 outta 10 times in that scenario.

u.s. combat operations've stop? maybe for the u.s. but islamofacists will never stop. they'll never stop being extreme, if they could, they would nuke nyc, boston, and washington simultaneously if they had the chance.

i wonder what rome would've done with the mentality of then with the capabilities we have now and the situation we have with islamist extremist. i wouldn't have been pretty, i wager.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
it would deliver a regional and more importantly a global message: Don't fcuk with the U.S.

and if thousands of innocent muslims die hey. again all's fair in war. thousands and thousands of americans have perished due to this war and when the towers collapsed and they got their message through while having alot to do with messing up the u.s. economy. and they still hate us to death.

The lives of a thousand muslims = the life of 1 american to me.

i may seem extreme but fire has to be fought with fire. the u.s. has to stop bringing knives to a gun fight cause i don't care how big you'll lose 10 outta 10 times in that scenario.

u.s. combat operations've stop? maybe for the u.s. but islamofacists will never stop. they'll never stop being extreme, if they could, they would nuke nyc, boston, and washington simultaneously if they had the chance.

i wonder what rome would've done with the mentality of then with the capabilities we have now and the situation we have with islamist extremist. i wouldn't have been pretty, i wager.

Far more Muslims and Arabs of all religions have perished in American wars and meddling in the Middle East. It simply isn`t comparable.

United States has made its mission overthrowing secular Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with psycho ayatollahs.
Perhaps understanding why Middle East is so hostile to America and the West would be the starting point.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The topic of the thread is burning the Koran. Did the guy in Florida say something about nuking Mecca? 😕

FotN did.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
The topic of the thread is burning the Koran. Did the guy in Florida say something about nuking Mecca? 😕

no, and I agree, that is a really sticky question I've tried to stay away from

a lot of the thread is now directed toward why on earth FotN might think it is a smart idea to nuke Mecca, though 753 pretty much just hit my thoughts on the nail.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Perhaps understanding why Middle East is so hostile to America and the West would be the starting point.

what are you, some kind of islamosympathizer!?!?!?!

The last couple of pages on this thread amuse me to no end.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
it would deliver a regional and more importantly a global message: Don't fcuk with the U.S.

and if thousands of innocent muslims die hey. again all's fair in war. thousands and thousands of americans have perished due to this war and when the towers collapsed and they got their message through while having alot to do with messing up the u.s. economy. and they still hate us to death.

The lives of a thousand muslims = the life of 1 american to me.

i may seem extreme but fire has to be fought with fire. the u.s. has to stop bringing knives to a gun fight cause i don't care how big you'll lose 10 outta 10 times in that scenario.

u.s. combat operations've stop? maybe for the u.s. but islamofacists will never stop. they'll never stop being extreme, if they could, they would nuke nyc, boston, and washington simultaneously if they had the chance.

i wonder what rome would've done with the mentality of then with the capabilities we have now and the situation we have with islamist extremist. i wouldn't have been pretty, i wager.

Unfortunately for the US, it's not the only country with nukes and it needs to deal with the rest of the world currently and in the foreseeable future. So no, that message would be terrible and it would ultimately fail.

Okay, who are we at war with? Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, or is your intent to declare war on all Muslims?

What about Muslims that are also American, what is their life worth to you?

Again, who are you fighting exactly by nuking Mecca? "Fire with fire" doesn't mean shit, if you've not hitting your enemy, but instead creating more.

You know, they've probably had the chance, our borders are all but open, the terrorist groups have vast amounts of wealth (oil wealth) to draw from, they're organized, they're intelligent and when the USSR fell apart, nukes and nuclear material went unaccounted for. Personally, I don't think a mini-nuke has been released on the US simply because no one wants to open that can of worms and set a precedent. Which is a good thing. Nukes won't solve anything.

Rome killed everyone who opposed them, never-mind that 9.9 out of 10 times it was Rome who was the aggressor to begin with. But policies from 1,500+ years ago don't really fit today. There's also a lesson to be learned from Rome, as it's gone.

Originally posted by inimalist
no, and I agree, that is a really sticky question I've tried to stay away from

a lot of the thread is now directed toward why on earth FotN might think it is a smart idea to nuke Mecca, though 753 pretty much just hit my thoughts on the nail.

That is just anger speaking. People give up too quickly.

War is failure on both sides.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness

United States has made its mission overthrowing secular Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with psycho ayatollahs.
Perhaps understanding why Middle East is so hostile to America and the West would be the starting point.

Say what? US supported the Shah of Iran. While Saddam wasn't some ranting Ayotollah, he was a psycho. Though the Iraq war is a shame and a blemish of the US.

Am I missing some country the US Ayotollahized?

Originally posted by Robtard
Am I missing some country the US Ayotollahized?

They have had a lot more sympathy for the religious overlords in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan and the like (especially during the 80s when Islam was seen as a force to combat the USSR in the middle east), though I think Ayatolla is a specifically Shia thing...

Originally posted by inimalist
They have had a lot more sympathy for the religious overlords in Saudi Arabia/Pakistan and the like (especially during the 80s when Islam was seen as a force to combat the USSR in the middle east), though I think Ayatolla is a specifically Shia thing...

Don't think the US put the Saudi Kings and Princes into power though?

Pakistan, I'm drawing a blank on, to be honest.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
That is just anger speaking. People give up too quickly.

but like 753 said, this is more than just anger. Anger, sure, I can forgive someone wanting to burn the families of those who murdered people on 9-11. I wouldn't personally let them, but I can understand the lust for vengance.

FotN isn't respongind out of anger, but out of utter ignorance. He isn't saying "Nuke Bin Laden" (who isn't allowed back in saudi arabia and wouldn't return anyways), he is saying "nuke the most prolific muslim site on the planet". He is, essentially, proposing the exact same type of symbollic terrorism that Al Qaeda chose when it hit the twin towers.

But even then, that might just be racialized anger. The fact that his plan would not only turn the Muslim world militarily against America, but likely many other states, just reeks of idiocy. He certainly hasn't given any real thought to what would happen in the minutes that followed such an attack.

And its not like this was a one off comment on his part, he has defended it for a couple of pages now.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
War is failure on both sides.

I couldn't agree with you more

Originally posted by Robtard
Don't think the US put the Saudi Kings and Princes into power though?

Pakistan, I'm drawing a blank on, to be honest.

like, its all really subtle. I wouldn't state it in the same way Lil did, but I do get her point.

American intervention in the middle east has surrounded either cold war conflict with USSR or oil, and to ensure both of these objectives, they have funded and given rise to the Saudis and their form of islam.

In Pakistan, the basically have supported military/islamic rulers who supported the Saudi line, and for a long time, Pakistan was almost a vassal state of Saudi Arabia.

there is also the fact that in modern times, the US supports a lot of tyrants, who rule in the name of islam, for oil security. I don't think saying they brought these people to power is correct, but they almost certainly keep them there.

Originally posted by Robtard
Personally, I don't think a mini-nuke has been released on the US simply because no one wants to open that can of worms and set a precedent. Which is a good thing. Nukes won't solve anything.

A Q Khan, the man behind the Pakistani nuclear program, has met with Bin Laden. After the meeting, Khan refused to work with him because "he is insane".

One nuke in the middle east and there is nobody who would refuse that.

Originally posted by inimalist
but like 753 said, this is more than just anger. Anger, sure, I can forgive someone wanting to burn the families of those who murdered people on 9-11. I wouldn't personally let them, but I can understand the lust for vengance.

FotN isn't respongind out of anger, but out of utter ignorance. He isn't saying "Nuke Bin Laden" (who isn't allowed back in saudi arabia and wouldn't return anyways), he is saying "nuke the most prolific muslim site on the planet". He is, essentially, proposing the exact same type of symbollic terrorism that Al Qaeda chose when it hit the twin towers.

But even then, that might just be racialized anger. The fact that his plan would not only turn the Muslim world militarily against America, but likely many other states, just reeks of idiocy. He certainly hasn't given any real thought to what would happen in the minutes that followed such an attack.

And its not like this was a one off comment on his part, he has defended it for a couple of pages now.

I couldn't agree with you more

I understand what you are saying, but it is all the same to me. It is all the product of the world of Animality and Anger.

Animality

- Instinctive behaviour, lacking in reason. Fear of those who seem stronger and bullying of those who seem weaker. The 'law of the jungle'.

Anger

- Feeling superior to others and wanting to show it. Aggressiveness. Feeling in conflict with others. The world of self-centredness and ego.

http://www.sgi-uk.org/index.php/buddhism/tenworlds

To simply call him names is just as much in the world of Animality and Anger as his statement. I reject both. What lil bitchiness said is from the world of Learning, and that is a much better approach.

I don't believe Osama is solely calling the shots, while he might be medically insane and wish to nuke the US, he can't do it alone.

I also question whether he's still alive or within capabilities, he's old and has medical issues, if we're to believe reports. In his last video-rant, he looked sickly.