Good ole fashioned book burn'n.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
an american is an american is an america. first and formost.

Yeah, they're Americans but they're also Muslims and you're the one who said:

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
1000 muslims = 1 american to me

So they're Americans, but only worth 1/1000 as much as other Americans.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
and making peace with al queda recruiting bases? aren't they even more extreme than it's soldiers? they're dedicating their lives to gathering these ignorant people together to destroy people who're non-muslims. they the last persons to go to. and should be the first to get hit.

No, their recruiting base in the singular. As in the population from which they have to draw membership. If no one wants to join Al Quaida then the organization will become weak. The more you attack the Middle East and Islam the more people there will hate America, the more people hate America the more that will join Al Quaida.

You can't bomb them into submission. Not only because it won't work but because it's horrifically hypocritical.

Originally posted by Robtard
And who is it exactly that you think you'll kill or scare shit-less by nuking? EG Al Qaida isn't a country, nuke dropping isn't going to make them go away or stop.

Who have "we" offered peace to countless of times that "just want us dead." And no, I don't think we should seek peace with terrorist groups, but we also can't [apparently] get ride of them, as we effectively create more by our actions, just or unjust.

Don't you find it odd that your sentiments are almost identical to those you hate/want to kill? You want to drop a nuke, nevermind that it will not kill whomever you perceive to be the cause of America's woes and it won't accomplish anything positive, but only beget more fighting.

We'd not only scare the living shit outta al qaeda but of muslims world wide whom harbor anti american sentiment. sure there'd be anger but soon enough they'll come to realize that the only war to live in harmony is through peace. the japanese learned, they're now our loyal allies, and they were a super power, so can ill harbored muslims can learn too.

And how many times have we offered peace to Mahmoud "im'a wack job" in iran? how many times has he thrown it back in our face with insults, what about saddam, what about the taliban. we help them fight back russia zeus's sake. how many times has peace been preached by the u.s. towards the middle east with a u.s. flag burning rally as an answer? countless times. i know you're not blind, robtard. you've seen it.

And no i don't find it odd that my statements are almost identical to those i supossedly hate/want to kill because i'm taking an defensive stance.

i'm not saying nuke mecca now at this instant. i'm saying if there's an iminant threat that will cost alot of american lives here or abroad, do it. just preemptively.

i would love for the middle east to accept us and vice verse. i'd love peace, no doubt, but it ain't gonna happen. peace is impossible. look at past performances.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
We'd not only scare the living shit outta al qaeda but of muslims world wide whom harbor anti american sentiment. sure there'd be anger but soon enough they'll come to realize that the only war to live in harmony is through peace. the japanese learned, they're now our loyal allies, and they were a super power, so can ill harbored muslims can learn too.

And how many times have we offered peace to Mahmoud "im'a wack job" in iran? how many times has he thrown it back in our face with insults, what about saddam, what about the taliban. we help them fight back russia zeus's sake. how many times has peace been preached by the u.s. towards the middle east with a u.s. flag burning rally as an answer? countless times. i know you're not blind, robtard. you've seen it.

And no i don't find it odd that my statements are almost identical to those i supossedly hate/want to kill because i'm taking an defensive stance.

i'm not saying nuke mecca now at this instant. i'm saying if there's an iminant threat that will cost alot of american lives here or abroad, do it. just preemptively.

i would love for the middle east to accept us and vice verse. i'd love peace, no doubt, but it ain't gonna happen. peace is impossible. look at past performances.

Blowing up Mecca wouldn't do that. A) Saudi Arabia would sell their oil to China, India and Russia instead; America currently needs foreign oil. B) you would have just created millions of potential young bombers aching to kill Americans. Again, Japan was a nation, same tactics don't apply. It's also a far different time we live in, world politics have changed.

We're at war with Iran? I don't recall that. Saddam is dead, Iraq isn't safer for America for it. Yeah, we helped the Taliban, because it served our greater good at the time. What happened in Afghanistan when the USSR pulled out, the US did too. Had the US invested money in Afghanistan in the 80's, there could have been a solid alley there now.

You're effectively declaring them villains for killing, while you want to do the same, just on a much larger scale and against people who have done nothing to the US.

Okay. Let me get this straight. If some terrorist group were to attack again on a 9/11 scale(or think about attacking), the US should respond with a nuclear drop on Mecca as a solution? See my first paragraph. Nuking isn't a solution.

Well nuking the land of an ally and business partner probably won't accomplish peace.

Better idea to have a US/Middle East peace. 1) America needs to become energy independant, be it we drill all our own oil, dump billions into alternative fuel sources or some combo. 2) Tell the Saudis and other ME oil nations to go **** themselves and withdraw US involvement in the region. Let China, India and Russia deal with that nonsense.

Liberals. Building a mosque near Ground Zero: protected by the Constitution. Burning Qu'rans: hate speech that should be banned.

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals. Building a mosque near Ground Zero: protected by the Constitution. Burning Qu'rans: hate speech that should be banned.

Did someone here say he should be blocked from doing it by law?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals. Building a mosque near Ground Zero: protected by the Constitution. Burning Qu'rans: hate speech that should be banned.

Really? You think that burning a book is hate speech? What about burning flags?

Originally posted by Zeal Ex Nihilo
Liberals. Building a mosque near Ground Zero: protected by the Constitution. Burning Qu'rans: hate speech that should be banned.

If you're going to use the actions of one, to label the masses. Then in that very story, we can assume that Christians are aggressives who "deter promiscuity, homosexuality and non-Christian worship practices through confrontation and prayer.”

Doesn't sound very Jesus-esque to me.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
that's what i was thinking. the death threats probably came from washington, ha.

man i wish he went through with it. not because i wanted a laugh or to see what kinda reaction the event'd spark but because he could, and should be able to. and to send a message that we've had it with the attacks and the hate and the threats and the intolerance against the u.s.

I wanted him to do it, too. Because I hate when people advertise something big and go through all the hassle of building it up and financing it, only to not delvier. If he actually did burn them, then all of his tv interviews and appearances wouldn't have been for no reason.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't think the threats bothered him, he wanted attention; he got a shit load of it. His church of 50-odd was all but unknown; now it isn't, even if it was just fleeting like a fart in the wind.

So then it was a gag.

Originally posted by Robtard
A) Saudi Arabia would sell their oil to China, India and Russia instead; America currently needs foreign oil.

Look on the bright side: it would force us to finally tap Alaska, freeing us from foreign dependence. Our govt could finally stop sucking up to the Ay-rabs, pretending to be their friend.

lets not be silly guys. America gets far more oil from Mexico and Canada than Saudi Arabia.

Just invest more in the tar sands

Originally posted by Quiero Mota

Look on the bright side: it would force us to finally tap Alaska, freeing us from foreign dependence. Our govt could finally stop sucking up to the Ay-rabs, pretending to be their friend.

I personally would like that, though I'd prefer an actual attempt at getting off oil and going with cleaner alternatives coincide as well.

I was more posing of what would happen if the Saudis/OPEC suddenly turned off the tap before the US was ready/prepared, should we go through FoTN's "nuke mecca" idea. Be Oct 1973 all over again, except worse.

Originally posted by inimalist
lets not be silly guys. America gets far more oil from Mexico and Canada than Saudi Arabia.

Just invest more in the tar sands

ME oil is still needed. I don't want to pay $10 for a gallon, let alone the trickle effect it will have on everything else.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
Look on the bright side: it would force us to finally tap Alaska, freeing us from foreign dependence. Our govt could finally stop sucking up to the Ay-rabs, pretending to be their friend.

Originally posted by King Kandy
Hahaha. Prove that we would get enough oil from Alaska to replace all ME imports.

I know there's not. But we have AK and TX and other not-so hostile countries like Canada and Mexico. The ME aren't the only countries in the world with oil. So I should replace "foreign" dependence with Arab dependence. I want a boycott of ME oil also as a symbolic gesture; giving them the finger by saying we aint gonna work with them anymore.

Originally posted by Robtard
ME oil is still needed. I don't want to pay $10 for a gallon, let alone the trickle effect it will have on everything else.

touche

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
I know there's not. But we have AK and TX and other not-so hostile countries like Canada and Mexico. The ME aren't the only countries in the world with oil. So I should replace "foreign" dependence with Arab dependence. I want a boycott of ME oil also as a symbolic gesture; giving them the finger by saying we aint gonna work with them anymore.

even that might be too much of a blanket over-reaction. Nations like Kuwait or Qatar need oil revenues to continue their growth, and while they have numerous internal problems, are at the very least open to belonging to the international community are fair players. It is highly unlikely that their oil money gets into the hands of terrorists, and punishing Kuwait for actions by the Saudis is not going to win any friends (it is also unnecessary for the impact you are looking for).

I agree though. The west should cut all ties with the Saudis until there is much more transparency in the regieme. The BBC did an audio documentary called Jihad and the Petrodollar you might enjoy, its probably online, but I know you can download it free from itunes podcasts.

YouTube video

The Listening Post - The Quran burning that never happened

Al Jazeera English

Part 1 is really only relevant, other parts are about totally different things.

Anyways, looks at how the media handled the burning announcement and basically made the issue out of nothing, and what that means for the national narrative. Looks at both America and Middle East media outlets, but it is tailored to western audiences, thus focuses on the american media.

My opinions on AJE are probably well known at this point, and listening post is one of their best shows. It focuses specifically on media analysis, rather than event reporting.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't blame Islam(okay, maybe a little), even if the Qur'an states "infidels must be killed", it's still ultimately the fault of the idiots who follow it/do it.

Islam never stated to kill infidels .Can't u think that there more than 1.5 billions Muslims if they kill all non muslims no one in earth will be alive 🙄

Islam is against killing of a single soul without justice; it completely detests killing innocent people whether they be Muslims or otherwise. Quran has addressed this thus,

... ãóä ÞóÊóáó äóÝúÓðÇ ÈöÛóíúÑö äóÝúÓò Ãóæú ÝóÓóÇÏò Ýöí ÇáÃóÑúÖö ÝóßóÃóäøóãóÇ ÞóÊóáó ÇáäøóÇÓó ÌóãöíÚðÇ æóãóäú ÃóÍúíóÇåóÇ ÝóßóÃóäøóãóÇ ÃóÍúíóÇ ÇáäøóÇÓó ÌóãöíÚðÇ ...... whoever slays a soul, unless it be for murder or for mischief in the land, it is as though he slew entire mankind; and whoever keeps it alive, it is as though he kept entire mankind alive; ... (Quran 5:32)

U better READ the Quran Instead of burn it .and we (Muslims ) think that Jones doesnt represent real Christians or REAL HUMAN just like Al Qaeda dont represnt Islam .we are just like human and logic like any other person in the world ,and dont judge anyone by the action of FOOLS . 🙂

It's just a book with some ink, who gives a shit?

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
It's just a book with some ink, who gives a shit?

It is NOT unusual book I'm telling U ..

Nice talking to ya ...Are u that Latin guy who was bi.....??? 😕

Originally posted by Fatima
It is NOT unusual book I'm telling U ..

If it is not an unusual book, then what does it matter if it is burned or not.

Originally posted by Fatima
It is NOT unusual book I'm telling U ..

Nice talking to ya ...Are u that Latin guy who was bi.....??? 😕

The Qu'ran is just a book. It's made of paper and written in ink. It's nothing special. It's nothing at all. It's nigh-worthless. If someone's burns your Qu'ran, smack them and then go by another one at your local UAE version of Chapters.