Good ole fashioned book burn'n.

Originally posted by Shakyamunison
I understand what you are saying, but it is all the same to me. It is all the product of the world of Animality and Anger.

Animality

- Instinctive behaviour, lacking in reason. Fear of those who seem stronger and bullying of those who seem weaker. The 'law of the jungle'.

Anger

- Feeling superior to others and wanting to show it. Aggressiveness. Feeling in conflict with others. The world of self-centredness and ego.

http://www.sgi-uk.org/index.php/buddhism/tenworlds

To simply call him names is just as much in the world of Animality and Anger as his statement. I reject both. What lil bitchiness said is from the world of Learning, and that is a much better approach.

that would be true if I were angry of felt a need to dominate FotN. I'm succumbing to a much different instinctual tendency to outgroup and mock. Lol, I answered him seriouisly a few pages ago and it was ignored, so now its just fun times.

Originally posted by Robtard
I don't believe Osama is solely calling the shots, while he might be medically insane and wish to nuke the US, he can't do it alone.

I also question whether he's still alive or within capabilities, he's old and has medical issues, if we're to believe reports. In his last video-rant, he looked sickly.

no, totally, I was just sort of agreeing with you. Scientists don't really want to work with terrorists, and I think that has prevented a lot potential nuclear attacks against the west. The people with access to these materials, out their own interest not to work with insane people, don't really deal with Al Qaeda.

Originally posted by lil bitchiness
Far more Muslims and Arabs of all religions have perished in American wars and meddling in the Middle East. It simply isn`t comparable.

United States has made its mission overthrowing secular Middle Eastern governments and replacing them with psycho ayatollahs.
Perhaps understanding why Middle East is so hostile to America and the West would be the starting point.

i wasn't comparing it and remember 1000 muslims = 1 american to me so do the math. and why would the u.s. replace the same product? if anything they'd install an appeasing puppet that'd be none the wiser about ruling. example: hamid k. and the currrent iraqi ruler.

and i don't care to understand how they feel. i haven't the slightest interest in playing an armchair psychiatrist with an uncurable group that wants to kill me for soley for being an american. think they care how we feel?

all i know is that these extremists don't wan't the u.s. to exist and will do what it takes to get there no matter how long it takes. the only thing to do to make them at least reconsider and at most to rethink about getting in the ring with us is extreme lethality and fear. not kindnedss and cowardice.

to you this might be t-ball where all the children play to a tie so everyone can "feel" like winners at the end but to me this is war. whether it's psychological, physical or cultural or not. it's war.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North

to you this might be t-ball where all the children play to a tie so everyone can "feel" like winners at the end but to me this is war. whether it's psychological, physical or cultural or not. it's war.

what about practical???

ignoring your total lack of understanding of the middle east, don't you think the consequences of nuking Saudi Arabia, an American ally in the region, and the holliest shrine of Islam, might actually make you more vulnerable?

For instance, do you think AQ Khan would refuse to give Al Qaeda nuclear material and knowledge after such an attack, or do you think his first phone call would be to Bin Laden after the nuke?

Originally posted by inimalist
that would be true if I were angry of felt a need to dominate FotN. I'm succumbing to a much different instinctual tendency to outgroup and mock. Lol, I answered him seriouisly a few pages ago and it was ignored, so now its just fun times.

I was never criticizing you. 😄

So was it just a gag the whole time, or did enough death-threats scare him out of it, I wonder.

Originally posted by Robtard
Unfortunately for the US, it's not the only country with nukes and it needs to deal with the rest of the world currently and in the foreseeable future. So no, that message would be terrible and it would ultimately fail.

Okay, who are we at war with? Mecca is in Saudi Arabia, or is your intent to declare war on all Muslims?

What about Muslims that are also American, what is their life worth to you?

Again, who are you fighting exactly by nuking Mecca? "Fire with fire" doesn't mean shit, if you've not hitting your enemy, but instead creating more.

You know, they've probably had the chance, our borders are all but open, the terrorist groups have vast amounts of wealth (oil wealth) to draw from, they're organized, they're intelligent and when the USSR fell apart, nukes and nuclear material went unaccounted for. Personally, I don't think a mini-nuke has been released on the US simply because no one wants to open that can of worms and set a precedent. Which is a good thing. Nukes won't solve anything.

Rome killed everyone who opposed them, never-mind that 9.9 out of 10 times it was Rome who was the aggressor to begin with. But policies from 1,500+ years ago don't really fit today. There's also a lesson to be learned from Rome, as it's gone.

i declare war against those that want to harm the u.s. and muslim american citizens are americans to me. meaning they're americans first, to me.

i don't think you'll create more enemies. not after they've seen what has happened. fear would dominate and they'd think twice before fcukin' around again. you hit 'em so bad that you'd drill and burrow the point in so deep in their conscious that they get recurring night horrors or extreme nightmares about what could happen by messing around with the u.s. and it's citizens.

forget seeking peace. they don't want it. we've offered it countless of times for years and years and even implemented it and they don't want it. they want to kill us. all of us. how is that not clear?

and you think extremeists care about opening up a can of worms? 9/11 was beyond a can of worms.

and what lesson? rome's not around anymore mostly because it was too expansive.

Originally posted by inimalist
what about practical???

ignoring your total lack of understanding of the middle east, don't you think the consequences of nuking Saudi Arabia, an American ally in the region, and the holliest shrine of Islam, might actually make you more vulnerable?

For instance, do you think AQ Khan would refuse to give Al Qaeda nuclear material and knowledge after such an attack, or do you think his first phone call would be to Bin Laden after the nuke?

ignoring your total lack of understanding of the u.s., don't you think the consequences of demolishing the twin towers in the u.s, an saudi ally, and the financial pride of the biggest and most prosperous city in the world, might actually make you more vulnerable, your highness?

and who knows how AQ truly in his heart feels about the u.s. especially in the region he's in. i'll tell you what though i don't think i'd put to much trust into a pakistani nuclear scientist surrounded by the extremists who loath the u.s. there's always away to create scenario where AQ would come out as clean as a whislte at the end of it all. as powerful as he is? it's definetely possible.

and i didn't purposfully ignore your earlier post. i hadn't seen that you asked me anything probably. maybe i missed it by accident.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
ignoring your total lack of understanding of the u.s., don't you think the consequences of demolishing the twin towers in the u.s, an saudi ally, and the financial pride of the biggest and most prosperous city in the world, might actually make you more vulnerable, your highness?

granted, I'll concede you may understand the psychology of an average american greater than I, but no. 9-11 did not make me more vulnerable. Canada served as a place for terrorists to enter America prior to 9-11. Since our involvement in the invasion of Afghanistan, we have become a target.

We have traditionally had greater problems with Sikhs than muslims.

and to be frank, I'm far more worried about the -40 degree winters I'm going to face in Winnipeg than I am about Muslims. You might do yourself a favor by moving north a few degrees latitude if you need more important things to worry about.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
and who knows how AQ truly in his heart feels about the u.s. especially in the region he's in. i'll tell you what though i don't think i'd put to much trust into a pakistani nuclear scientist surrounded by the extremists who loath the u.s. there's always away to create scenario where AQ would come out as clean as a whislte at the end of it all. as powerful as he is? it's definetely possible.

he isn't very powerful, he is a scientist. It is just that he knows how to build nuclear weapons.

As it is now, these people don't want to co-operate with Al Qaeda. Sure, there are many reasons why this might change, do you then think it is a good idea to cause one of these reasons?

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So was it just a gag the whole time, or did enough death-threats scare him out of it, I wonder.

that's what i was thinking. the death threats probably came from washington, ha.

man i wish he went through with it. not because i wanted a laugh or to see what kinda reaction the event'd spark but because he could, and should be able to. and to send a message that we've had it with the attacks and the hate and the threats and the intolerance against the u.s.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i declare war against those that want to harm the u.s. and muslim american citizens are americans to me. meaning they're americans first, to me.

But apparently they're only worth 1/1000th as much as real Americans...

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i don't think you'll create more enemies. not after they've seen what has happened. fear would dominate and they'd think twice before fcukin' around again. you hit 'em so bad that you'd drill and burrow the point in so deep in their conscious that they get recurring night horrors or extreme nightmares about what could happen by messing around with the u.s. and it's citizens.

Ah, the Tarkin Doctrine.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
forget seeking peace. they don't want it. we've offered it countless of times for years and years and even implemented it and they don't want it. they want to kill us. all of us. how is that not clear?

People generally aren't seeking peace with Al Quadea, they want peace with Al Quadae's recruiting base. That would strangle the organization in the long term. Bombing the middle east, especially holy sites just feeds it.

Originally posted by Quiero Mota
So was it just a gag the whole time, or did enough death-threats scare him out of it, I wonder.

I don't think the threats bothered him, he wanted attention; he got a shit load of it. His church of 50-odd was all but unknown; now it isn't, even if it was just fleeting like a fart in the wind.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i wasn't comparing it and remember 1000 muslims = 1 american to me so do the math. and why would the u.s. replace the same product? if anything they'd install an appeasing puppet that'd be none the wiser about ruling. example: hamid k. and the currrent iraqi ruler.

and i don't care to understand how they feel. i haven't the slightest interest in playing an armchair psychiatrist with an uncurable group that wants to kill me for soley for being an american. think they care how we feel?

all i know is that these extremists don't wan't the u.s. to exist and will do what it takes to get there no matter how long it takes. the only thing to do to make them at least reconsider and at most to rethink about getting in the ring with us is extreme lethality and fear. not kindnedss and cowardice.

to you this might be t-ball where all the children play to a tie so everyone can "feel" like winners at the end but to me this is war. whether it's psychological, physical or cultural or not. it's war.

Hate breeds hate. You are a product of hate. That idea of yours would spark thousands of FistOfThe North 's to be born all over the world.

"Bitterness is like cancer. It eats upon the host. But anger is like fire. It burns it all clean."
Maya Angelou

It is okay to be angry, it's not okay to be bitter.

Originally posted by inimalist
We have traditionally had greater problems with Sikhs than muslims.

he isn't very powerful, he is a scientist. It is just that he knows how to build nuclear weapons.

As it is now, these people don't want to co-operate with Al Qaeda. Sure, there are many reasons why this might change, do you then think it is a good idea to cause one of these reasons?

he isn't very powerful? if the u.s. federal gov't considers you a "serious proliferation risk" then your not the avarage joe.

and of course you shouldn't be worried. you live in canada.

and i think it's a good idea to be prepared for the cause of those reasons and be ready to strike first before the effects are realized.

http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/aq-khan-still-remains-serious-proliferation-risk-us_100241556.html

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
and of course you shouldn't be worried. you live in canada.

America could learn a thing or two

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
i declare war against those that want to harm the u.s. and muslim american citizens are americans to me. meaning they're americans first, to me.

i don't think you'll create more enemies. not after they've seen what has happened. fear would dominate and they'd think twice before fcukin' around again. you hit 'em so bad that you'd drill and burrow the point in so deep in their conscious that they get recurring night horrors or extreme nightmares about what could happen by messing around with the u.s. and it's citizens.

forget seeking peace. they don't want it. we've offered it countless of times for years and years and even implemented it and they don't want it. they want to kill us. all of us. how is that not clear?

and you think extremeists care about opening up a can of worms? 9/11 was beyond a can of worms.

and what lesson? rome's not around anymore mostly because it was too expansive.

And who is it exactly that you think you'll kill or scare shit-less by nuking? EG Al Qaida isn't a country, nuke dropping isn't going to make them go away or stop.

Who have "we" offered peace to countless of times that "just want us dead." And no, I don't think we should seek peace with terrorist groups, but we also can't [apparently] get ride of them, as we effectively create more by our actions, just or unjust.

9/11 was not the end-all-be-all of tragedies. I know it feels good to think that, but let's be intellectually honest here.

Actually, quite the contrary, Rome was built on the conquered wealth of other nations, once Rome stopped spreading and bringing outside resources to fuel itself, the military dwindled, foreign powers gripped it and it slowly decayed, though there's far more to it. Lesson here, the US can feasibly be like ancient Rome.

Don't you find it odd that your sentiments are almost identical to those you hate/want to kill? You want to drop a nuke, nevermind that it will not kill whomever you perceive to be the cause of America's woes and it won't accomplish anything positive, but only beget more fighting.

Originally posted by Symmetric Chaos
But apparently they're only worth 1/1000th as much as real Americans...

Ah, the Tarkin Doctrine.

People generally aren't seeking peace with Al Quadea, they want peace with Al Quadae's recruiting base. That would strangle the organization in the long term. Bombing the middle east, especially holy sites just feeds it.

an american is an american is an america. first and formost.

and don't be such a drama queen, dude. i'm not promoting dictatorship or invasion. i just want to show that the u.s. will not countenance terrorism or terrorists threats. neither should we take them lightly.

and making peace with al queda recruiting bases? aren't they even more extreme than it's soldiers? they're dedicating their lives to gathering these ignorant people together to destroy people who're non-muslims. they the last persons to go to. and should be the first to get hit.

You’ve expressed that FAR more sensibly and intelligibly than I would have. I would simply have stated: “FistOfThe North — you’re a dick. A dick and a complete twatsocket. Advocating acts of mass murder and genocide? Terrorist tactics? Bigging up your own ‘race’ like some neo–Nazi? You motherfucking cuntnugget!”

Something like that…

So is the above representative of what young Americans are like? I see that sort of response a lot online, especially the scales of worth of American lives vs anybody else’s.

Originally posted by Rascaduanok

So is the above representative of what young Americans are like? I see that sort of response a lot online, especially the scales of worth of American lives vs anybody else’s.

No, don't think that. While there are large numbers of Americans that think that way (oddly, they also tend to associate themselves as Conservative and/or Christians), they are by no means the average.

They're just more likely to express themselves more than sensible people online, because they've got the comfort of hiding behind a computer screen.

Originally posted by FistOfThe North
these ignorant people together to destroy people who're non-muslims. they the last persons to go to. and should be the first to get hit.

Ignorant? I don't care what belief system or religion or organisation one belongs to people need to be pushed to commit such atrocities.

These people aren't ignorant, these people are just like you full of rage. They are not acting on twisted religious beliefs, it's more primal then that. The twisted religious logic is a false sense of comfort.

It's an aspect of what makes us human. Our family and friends are the dearest things to us. We don't want a single hair on their heads harmed. Now imagine losing someone dear to you because someone wanted to start a war and fill their pockets with riches. Humans have never responsed well to that sort of thing, chip away at a person until they are in a position where they have nothing to lose and you have a very dangerous individual.

This is not some overnight war there are decades of blood on everyones hands.