Originally posted by UtrigitaI already told you I never played these games so please don't ever bring up games I obviously already stated I have no knowledge of.
Warcraft, Oblivion and Diablo would absolutely rape Dragon Age, yes also by themselves.
Originally posted by FinalAnswerIf you read my statement I stated as a unit against fable characters as a unit and yes it'd be rape. Fable while strong is not in dragon age's league.
No.Just, no.
Please, never make an idiotic statement like this ever again
Originally posted by NemeBroYou attempt to mock me and cannot even correctly comprehend my original statement. Figures.
Wut?... What? haermm
There is... NO WAY, you can be serious. haermm
I'll give you some characters on there are legit fairly powerful, but...
You think that friggin JOWAN could rape ANY Fable character!? 💃
I am sorry, but I can now never take anything you will ever say seriously again. 😂
Ps. I never took anything you ever said seriously.
Originally posted by PhanterosAnother poster trying to be humorous who cannot read and understand simple statements.
LOL Jowan. Quan show just stay out of this thread.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelThat's when I was brand spanking new here. I could care less for nerd popularity about fantasy topics. I mean come on.
Well you were responsible for the LoK vs LoZ thread that no one liked. Granted, they should have just left well enough alone but too late now I guess.
Originally posted by Q'AniliaYeah because jowan didn't take gregoir out and the first enchanter by himself. I mean play the game before you put your foot in your mouth. The ignorance in this thread is astounding.
Did not Jowan himself say he sucks?
Originally posted by Burning thoughtArchdemon is useless ?
Archdemon is useless, its not tactical or clever and its armies fell before the human remnants at the end of the game even with it present.Kain would od the same to the Archdemon. Raziel would solo armies, the Archdemon could not without hit and run tactics through flight, as soon as it landed it was killed.
The cabal is the weakest and smallest vampiric organisation in the games iirc, Kain has his entire evolved race present in SR. Hell, one Dumahim fledling could arguably kill the armis of DAO.
😆 you listed weak, almost featless humans who would be killed by Sarafan soldiers, let alone vampires.
No they cant, those things dont get created out of thin air, Werewolves were specific and possessed mages are weaker than LoK usual wizards, let alone the circle who can warp life, death and space.
Hardly even a weakness, LoK is more technologically advanced, magically advanced, more nuimerous and so far physically superior that DAO has no chance.
Humans/Vampire hunters could beat the scattered tribes of vampires from BO era, thats it.....in the SR era, the weakest vampires force Raziel to find other less physical ways of killing them and humans are nothing but a joke/fun for vampiric children. (humans who use higher tech weapons than DAO.).
LOL get back to me when Kain ever takes on any army. I mean you force me to do this but he was all but usless against Nemesis. He had to turn tail and avoid it because he can't take on armies nor could he ever. Archdemon mows em down. Most of the debaters on here let fanboyism take them to new levels of insanity with claims like ganondorf or Kain can solo armies when playing the games they aren't even remotely portrayed like this by any stretch of the imagination.
Name me a single army Raziel has ever soloed. The guy gets tossed around like a ragdoll from Kain the guy who fled from the Nemesis. I mean vampires were annihilated by Moebius' careful timestreaming and his manipulations of Kain originally.
I mean if you take into considerations their obvious weaknesses this isn't even a contest on any levels. There are oodles and oodles of emissaries, ogres, shrieks, mages, templars werewolves, golems who'd turn Raziel into a meaningless spirit. Then toss in fade demons with power backing them and the turn him into their personal p.o.w.
You never played dragon age nor do most on here understand the sheer capabilities of what a single broodmother is capable of let alone all these forces holding hands and curbing nosgoth.
Saying these guys can solo armies isn't the same thing as proving it. I played the games these guys are hard pressed to take on a handful of characters and have never ever been portrayed as soloing armies hence all the timestreaming and careful planning by every side to achieve their goals.
Sarafan soldiers are somewhat ok but stacking them against these combined forces and they go down in flames. The sarafan were never that formidable so don't you dare even think to compare them against ferelden's finest.
Ho ware they weaker than lok wizards ? You need to cite examples your debating consists of unbacked claims. It's something you do and do often make a random claim you cannot support and then follow it up with another claim you cannot back up. It's pisspoor debating start citing actual reasons you believe this to be so and we can go from there.
So water is hardly a weakness ? Are you kidding me ? Are you serious with this ?
How are they more advanced ? Cite examples please just not more random sentences as proof.
The reason humans won is because the vampires were scattered and lacked the leadership and numbers to do anything about it. Kain provided the necessary leadership and strategy with his powers to get the job done with his generals.
He's bitten off more than he can chew here by a country mile.
Originally posted by MooCowofJusticeThis is nerd stuff it always has been. I revel in it but it is what it is. I lump myself in with being a nerd for even arguing something so irrelevant to the real world. My point was while I do enjoy arguing it nerd majority means nothing to me. I argue because I enjoy it I don't come here to make online friends.
So what do you revert to when calling people a nerd doesn't insult them?
Originally posted by NemeBroCare to argue against my points ?
It is not the topics you create that make you "unpopular."
Originally posted by quanchi112
Archdemon is useless ?LOL get back to me when Kain ever takes on any army. I mean you force me to do this but he was all but usless against Nemesis. He had to turn tail and avoid it because he can't take on armies nor could he ever. Archdemon mows em down. Most of the debaters on here let fanboyism take them to new levels of insanity with claims like ganondorf or Kain can solo armies when playing the games they aren't even remotely portrayed like this by any stretch of the imagination.
Name me a single army Raziel has ever soloed. The guy gets tossed around like a ragdoll from Kain the guy who fled from the Nemesis. I mean vampires were annihilated by Moebius' careful timestreaming and his manipulations of Kain originally.
I mean if you take into considerations their obvious weaknesses this isn't even a contest on any levels. There are oodles and oodles of emissaries, ogres, shrieks, mages, templars werewolves, golems who'd turn Raziel into a meaningless spirit. Then toss in fade demons with power backing them and the turn him into their personal p.o.w.
You never played dragon age nor do most on here understand the sheer capabilities of what a single broodmother is capable of let alone all these forces holding hands and curbing nosgoth.
Saying these guys can solo armies isn't the same thing as proving it. I played the games these guys are hard pressed to take on a handful of characters and have never ever been portrayed as soloing armies hence all the timestreaming and careful planning by every side to achieve their goals.
Sarafan soldiers are somewhat ok but stacking them against these combined forces and they go down in flames. The sarafan were never that formidable so don't you dare even think to compare them against ferelden's finest.
Ho ware they weaker than lok wizards ? You need to cite examples your debating consists of unbacked claims. It's something you do and do often make a random claim you cannot support and then follow it up with another claim you cannot back up. It's pisspoor debating start citing actual reasons you believe this to be so and we can go from there.
So water is hardly a weakness ? Are you kidding me ? Are you serious with this ?
How are they more advanced ? Cite examples please just not more random sentences as proof.
The reason humans won is because the vampires were scattered and lacked the leadership and numbers to do anything about it. Kain provided the necessary leadership and strategy with his powers to get the job done with his generals.
He's bitten off more than he can chew here by a country mile.
Yes, its one of the weaker dragons I have known in fiction. Its powers are lowly and its not much better than a normal fire breather.
Nemesis, the guy from years back when Kain was only just getting his powers. This is not the same Kain, were talking about Elder Kain who himself has the phrase "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion". Also this is not a comic book, your "portrays" does not deny the fact both of them "could" quite easily kill as many human beings with swords as they like, billions if need be because the armies in Dragonage are just that, men with swords. Lets use an example you may understand, lets just suppose for a second that Thanos with the infinity gauntlet "never" defeated any armies but instead, wiped out a universe and displayed godlike reality warping, would you still claim he cant take on an army just because he never did?
I said Raziel can solo an army easily, not that he could and the Darkspawn or their dragon have never "solo" an army. No, not the guy who fled from the Nemesis, check your chronology because when he threw Raziel he was elder. not tat being thrown has any connection to this conversation, anyone light enough can be thrown.
Vampires compared to the things you listed may as well have no weaknesses, nobodies submerging them and their stronger than anything apart from maybe Ogres.
Ha!, I have indeed played it, and completed it several times but if so, youve never played a single loK game becase you have no idea what their capable of. The Broodmother was an overly fat beast that could hardly move.
Never that formidable? your talking about the vampire hunters/killers, vampires who are each vastly more powerful than any Darkspawn, including ogres. Fereldens "finest" as you call them are nothing but soldiers, human men with arguably less equipment, ability and training in general. Not to mension Sarafan have fanatism on their side.
You talk a lot about unbacked claims hypocrite. Although despite your ignorence and cheek, ill point some out. The circle of mages, each one of them has vast resovoirs of power but when a few of them get together they create reality warping, region sized changes in state and can bend even space to their whim. Also most vampires have shown more powers, teleporting lightning, flaying from the bone (Vorador). Janos hylden lord have teleportion and lightning and Kain has a vast number of powers. Even the lowly Sarafan priestesses can create shields, energy and heal.
No its not a weakness, certainly not here.
Oh i dont know, maybe because they have guns, e.g. a cannon small enough to carry, flamethrowers and in the case of Blood omen 2, the Sarafan had Hylden magic in the form of technology, e.g. Glyph weapons/shields.
If you look at the armour, they even wear heavier amounts of it than most entities in Ferelden.
More than he can chew? with the minor vampires at his disposal he has all but destroyed the far more advanced human forces than DAO even has, and more advanced than Darkspawn who are perhaps even more primitive. In this thread, Kain along with other generals with centuries more experiacne and more feats of cunning at his side which will make DAO tactics vs LoK alike to a 4 year old novice vs a chessmaster. Not to mension the vaster, and more powerful forces Lok has.
Oh, and the Elder God. Who solos.
I may as well stop making this complicated, argue how their oging to defeat the Elder God or Kain on their own? lets forget their armies, they dont need them. A vast continent spanning, interdimentional invisible entity who excists in all times at once OR Kain who has more than enough powers to decimte the Dragon and its darpspawn while making a new generation of vampires with your "fereldens finest"
Originally posted by Burning thoughtHow is it one of the weaker dragons in fiction ? Give me reasons why because from games I have played with dragons in them it goes to the top of the list. You fight it with 4 party members, have a ballista to fire at it, and have mini armies to take heat of your party while you engage it so I don't see how anyone could claim weak at all from playing against this dragon or from the cinema who dominates elven warriors and takes Riordan's desperate actions of a sword ripping through it's flesh like a mosquito bite.
Yes, its one of the weaker dragons I have known in fiction. Its powers are lowly and its not much better than a normal fire breather.Nemesis, the guy from years back when Kain was only just getting his powers. This is not the same Kain, were talking about Elder Kain who himself has the phrase "as long as a single one of us stands, we are a legion". Also this is not a comic book, your "portrays" does not deny the fact both of them "could" quite easily kill as many human beings with swords as they like, billions if need be because the armies in Dragonage are just that, men with swords. Lets use an example you may understand, lets just suppose for a second that Thanos with the infinity gauntlet "never" defeated any armies but instead, wiped out a universe and displayed godlike reality warping, would you still claim he cant take on an army just because he never did?
I said Raziel can solo an army easily, not that he could and the Darkspawn or their dragon have never "solo" an army. No, not the guy who fled from the Nemesis, check your chronology because when he threw Raziel he was elder. not tat being thrown has any connection to this conversation, anyone light enough can be thrown.
Vampires compared to the things you listed may as well have no weaknesses, nobodies submerging them and their stronger than anything apart from maybe Ogres.
Ha!, I have indeed played it, and completed it several times but if so, youve never played a single loK game becase you have no idea what their capable of. The Broodmother was an overly fat beast that could hardly move.
Never that formidable? your talking about the vampire hunters/killers, vampires who are each vastly more powerful than any Darkspawn, including ogres. Fereldens "finest" as you call them are nothing but soldiers, human men with arguably less equipment, ability and training in general. Not to mension Sarafan have fanatism on their side.
You talk a lot about unbacked claims hypocrite. Although despite your ignorence and cheek, ill point some out. The circle of mages, each one of them has vast resovoirs of power but when a few of them get together they create reality warping, region sized changes in state and can bend even space to their whim. Also most vampires have shown more powers, teleporting lightning, flaying from the bone (Vorador). Janos hylden lord have teleportion and lightning and Kain has a vast number of powers. Even the lowly Sarafan priestesses can create shields, energy and heal.
No its not a weakness, certainly not here.
Oh i dont know, maybe because they have guns, e.g. a cannon small enough to carry, flamethrowers and in the case of Blood omen 2, the Sarafan had Hylden magic in the form of technology, e.g. Glyph weapons/shields.
If you look at the armour, they even wear heavier amounts of it than most entities in Ferelden.
More than he can chew? with the minor vampires at his disposal he has all but destroyed the far more advanced human forces than DAO even has, and more advanced than Darkspawn who are perhaps even more primitive. In this thread, Kain along with other generals with centuries more experiacne and more feats of cunning at his side which will make DAO tactics vs LoK alike to a 4 year old novice vs a chessmaster. Not to mension the vaster, and more powerful forces Lok has.
Oh, and the Elder God. Who solos.
I may as well stop making this complicated, argue how their oging to defeat the Elder God or Kain on their own? lets forget their armies, they dont need them. A vast continent spanning, interdimentional invisible entity who excists in all times at once OR Kain who has more than enough powers to decimte the Dragon and its darpspawn while making a new generation of vampires with your "fereldens finest"
It makes no difference Kain still had powers back then but was never powerful enough to take on an army, ever. When he took on the Hylden Lord he had an army by his side because he was never ever powerful enough to solo armies. The Nemesis is a perfect example of him just getting out there because he was nowhere near more than an afterthought to these forces of the Nemesis.
Billions you claim yet regular human beings had Kain dipping all over the timestream in order to reclaim vampire guardianship and had them down to one vampire. This is another claim you cannot back up as he hasn't even killed more than 30 foes at a time yet you claim something as ridiculous as billions. It's fanboyism to sickening degrees.
You're right this isn't a comic this is a videogame in which I have played as Kain and he sneaks around all the time because he has to. If he were powerful enough he'd just slaughter the sarafan singlehandedly and wouldn't need any help or the human populace.
Give me Kain's most impressive feat where he takes on scores of enemies............I can't wait to hear this one.
Thanos had the power to take over armies, or blink them out of existence with a thought whereas Raziel doesn't nor does Kain. I already cited the example of Kain fleeing with aid against a superior army. He also brought one with him against the Hylden Lord because he needed one. He's never been portrayed as powerful enough to even take on an army. He's clever enough to stealthily go about his objectives not foolish enough to take on an army. I have given examples of him using one and fleeing from one so this is actual evidence unlike your unsupported claims.
Vampires are strong yes but not as strong as Ogres and it's arguable either way or dragons or golems. Human beings showed with simple weapons they could eradicate the vampires with the proper focus and leadership. This army would stomp them. The mages would wreak havoc on these vampires and the weakness isn't even necessary.
I gave examples of of Lok in the game. You claim now I never played it. Wow. If you played dragon age why would you claim something as ignorant as them not being mobile as some sort of weakness. You'd have to come to them as they constantly breed more forces so they'd be pinned in and fortified. If they don't take out the broodmothers here comes more darkspawn.
Another claim you cannot back up. Why are the vampire hunters more powerful than any darkspawn ? What abilities do they have ? Their armor is a joke and there are just a lot of the,m but I've seen far more darkspawn who are stronger, slealthier, superior, and can drastically increase their numbers via way of broodmothers.
Like there isn't fanaticism in dragon age. Ever go to haven ? If you played the game you'd realize there are quite a few fanatics in the game. Ferelden have skilled men such as dwarves who can equip the best of armor and weapons while the dalish are kickass archers. Throw in mages from the circle and templars designed to wipe out magic wielders and you guys are in trouble. Guess what they have war hounds the mabari as well along with redcliffe soldiers, golems, werewolves, etc. I mean this is a stomp.
Mere humans with fire can eradicate the vampires so they are in huge trouble as even in their own games they aren't up tot the task as an army for the most part.
Give me some examples of them bending reality to their whim in combat. Teleportation is nice and all but it isn't beating these forces the rare few who possess this ability. You have to reappear sometime and look out water and fire which have shown more than capable of destroying vampires. Vorador got beaten despite his abilities by sheer numbers of humans so not impressed.
Hylden Lord is powerful but he'd getting his ass handed to him by a few ogres and darkspawn. They'd just beat him down. You also forget about the possessed mages known as abominations along with Uldred who could really just wreak havoc.
So what if they have guns and flamethrowers the mages and what not have shown the ability to use fire a lot more impressive than these simple flamethrowers and guns. The mages have shown the ability to paralyze their targets, heal, shoot fire, freeze their opponents, lightning on their enemies, blood magic, etc.
Gylph weapons and shields are nice and all but they still bleed and die when hit and weren't shown to be anything beyond a darkspawn attack by any means.
Kain needed generals and planning to defeat or usurp the humans. He didn't just solo the armies like you claim he needed one of his own which supports my entire case and my view of Kain.
eg gets crushed and by a few dozen ogres, emissaries, and hurlock alphas.
They defeat either by beating on them, water, fire, frost, sword attacks, axe attacks, brute strength, etc. We see eg in combat and Kain is enough to beat him the only reason he was as impressive as he was is because he wasn't even known to exist and they had no way of beating him. For all his powers he was helpless against Kain and needed Moebius anyways and still failed.
Dragon age in an epic stomp.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Because its a tiny dragon who in canon gets killed by one man. The static elements such as his death kill shows us one Warden jumping on its neck and stabbing it dead. Then youve not played any Warcraft, anything with norse myth and as a reader of Marvel I am sure theres more than one dragon that could throttle it without a problem. Its not got one useful ability beyond breathing fire, its a basic dragon at the most.
It makes all the difference if you knew anything about the Lok series. Kain was not physically strong enough, nor durable enough. He had an army because he wanted to fight the Hylden lord. Normal men cannot stand against Kain, never have.
What are you talking about, "normal" human beings? explain yourself. Billions, easily, trillions if you want. It makes no difference, you could never argue against Kain or his power, only against a particulour event thats pre-history compared to current Kain.
Since when is this ever established? that Kain sneaks around "because he has to"? what an ignorant statement. Again, why would he need help? what Kain needs help in is sustaining an empire with him as the master of the world.
No, instead both Raziel and Kain have immortality, speed, strength and durability far beyond armies that they would fight either way, it still allows them to destroy billions. Claiming Thanos can beat armies with my example in mind, is hypocritical if you dont think Kain and Raziel can as well.
Youve given examples of him using one, sure. Thats not denying him his powers, durability and overall stats that would allow him to solo Dragonage.
Ogres and Golems are not numerous and unlike vampires, Ogres are slow and unintelligent. And Soul reaver era vampires are stronger than Ogres.
Well clearly you have not if your ignorant enough to think some Darkspawn or human groups can beat Kain himself. You and your "constantly breed", Broodmother is not constantly giving birth, and nobody was attacking her before the players group arrived because the Dwarves were defencive. Need I mension also that a few dwarves held the line against armies of Darkspawn?
Because Vampire hunters are caked in armour, intelligent, disciplined and Demon hunters have guns and flamethrowers. I lol at darkspawn running at a line of cannons only for the survivers to get ripped up by armoured soldiers.
Oh I have played it, which is why I can tell you one group of cultists does not counter an entire army of armoured, disciplined sorceror warriors that the Sarafan are. Dwarves are skilled and armoured but they are nothing compared to vampires, the Dalish may be good archers, but their outdated compare to Demon hutner hand cannons who will rip them apart and once again, arrows vs heavy armour? not a chance. The Circle from the wizard tower? very few were even alive after the Demonic possession and those that are, their hardly comparable to the circle of nine who are vastly superior, e.g. Dark Eden.
You talk of werewolves as if their impressive, their not much more durable than a man and their speed and strength is bested by vampires/hylden. Not to mension Demons themselves that the Lok forces have. Greater/black Demon>>>ogres.
based on what? vampires, evne in the Blood omen 2 era such as Faustus are too quick. nobodies going to just be able to toss a torch and burn a vampire, theres more chance of a Fereldon soldier being burned alive than a vampire.
When did I say "in combat"? I just pointed out they can do it. No he didnt, Vorador was beaten by Moebius who has a plot device staff.
Ogres and darkspawn? 😆 you mean the big slow ogres he can see a mile off? the darkspawn who will be like wheat before the sythe? Darkpawn get ripped apart by normal men.
Difference is, Mages are not as numerous AND, LoK also has said mages. And your listing powers from the player character which is not necesserily canon to what all mages can do, sure mages can use said powers but theres only a few of them, their not numerous as you seem to belive and especially not after the possession.
Your "entire case" is based on a few showings of him getting a ruling army, theres evidence to suggest he cant, infact all the evidence suggests he can.
ogres gets thrown like paper towels, hurlock alphas and emissaries are weak grunts, what are going to do? tap Kain with their weak weapons?
Thats because Kain and his weapon are ridiculously powerful, nobody in DAO can even see the EG and if any could (possibly a demon with special sight) they can do nothing, its too large and too strong. It topples the lot of them.
Kain in an epic stomp, he doesnt need his army.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThey show one warden taking the final blow after sending armies after it or just beating on it with your party for around twenty minutes. That's like sending ten guys after Kain and then one weakling gets the killing blow and ignoring what happened to put him in that weakened state prior to. It's called context and it's obvious you didn't play the game you just saw videos which is fine but don't claim you played it when you make it obvious you didn't.
Because its a tiny dragon who in canon gets killed by one man. The static elements such as his death kill shows us one Warden jumping on its neck and stabbing it dead. Then youve not played any Warcraft, anything with norse myth and as a reader of Marvel I am sure theres more than one dragon that could throttle it without a problem. Its not got one useful ability beyond breathing fire, its a basic dragon at the most.It makes all the difference if you knew anything about the Lok series. Kain was not physically strong enough, nor durable enough. He had an army because he wanted to fight the Hylden lord. Normal men cannot stand against Kain, never have.
What are you talking about, "normal" human beings? explain yourself. Billions, easily, trillions if you want. It makes no difference, you could never argue against Kain or his power, only against a particulour event thats pre-history compared to current Kain.
Since when is this ever established? that Kain sneaks around "because he has to"? what an ignorant statement. Again, why would he need help? what Kain needs help in is sustaining an empire with him as the master of the world.
No, instead both Raziel and Kain have immortality, speed, strength and durability far beyond armies that they would fight either way, it still allows them to destroy billions. Claiming Thanos can beat armies with my example in mind, is hypocritical if you dont think Kain and Raziel can as well.
Youve given examples of him using one, sure. Thats not denying him his powers, durability and overall stats that would allow him to solo Dragonage.
Ogres and Golems are not numerous and unlike vampires, Ogres are slow and unintelligent. And Soul reaver era vampires are stronger than Ogres.
Well clearly you have not if your ignorant enough to think some Darkspawn or human groups can beat Kain himself. You and your "constantly breed", Broodmother is not constantly giving birth, and nobody was attacking her before the players group arrived because the Dwarves were defencive. Need I mension also that a few dwarves held the line against armies of Darkspawn?
Because Vampire hunters are caked in armour, intelligent, disciplined and Demon hunters have guns and flamethrowers. I lol at darkspawn running at a line of cannons only for the survivers to get ripped up by armoured soldiers.
Oh I have played it, which is why I can tell you one group of cultists does not counter an entire army of armoured, disciplined sorceror warriors that the Sarafan are. Dwarves are skilled and armoured but they are nothing compared to vampires, the Dalish may be good archers, but their outdated compare to Demon hutner hand cannons who will rip them apart and once again, arrows vs heavy armour? not a chance. The Circle from the wizard tower? very few were even alive after the Demonic possession and those that are, their hardly comparable to the circle of nine who are vastly superior, e.g. Dark Eden.
You talk of werewolves as if their impressive, their not much more durable than a man and their speed and strength is bested by vampires/hylden. Not to mension Demons themselves that the Lok forces have. Greater/black Demon>>>ogres.
based on what? vampires, evne in the Blood omen 2 era such as Faustus are too quick. nobodies going to just be able to toss a torch and burn a vampire, theres more chance of a Fereldon soldier being burned alive than a vampire.
When did I say "in combat"? I just pointed out they can do it. No he didnt, Vorador was beaten by Moebius who has a plot device staff.
Ogres and darkspawn? 😆 you mean the big slow ogres he can see a mile off? the darkspawn who will be like wheat before the sythe? Darkpawn get ripped apart by normal men.
Difference is, Mages are not as numerous AND, LoK also has said mages. And your listing powers from the player character which is not necesserily canon to what all mages can do, sure mages can use said powers but theres only a few of them, their not numerous as you seem to belive and especially not after the possession.
Your "entire case" is based on a few showings of him getting a ruling army, theres evidence to suggest he cant, infact all the evidence suggests he can.
ogres gets thrown like paper towels, hurlock alphas and emissaries are weak grunts, what are going to do? tap Kain with their weak weapons?
Thats because Kain and his weapon are ridiculously powerful, nobody in DAO can even see the EG and if any could (possibly a demon with special sight) they can do nothing, its too large and too strong. It topples the lot of them.
Kain in an epic stomp, he doesnt need his army.
Here's a question if someone stuns a lion and shoots it multiple times and then I come up and kill it with a blade is that the same thing as me killing it easily by myself or was I only in that position because of the aid I received prior to ?
No, I haven't played wow which I have stated numerous times and what do comic book characters have to do with anything most are planet destroying power which would annihilate most i fnot all video game characters so comparing the two is ridiculous. The dragon in this game as the archdemon is a badass and blows away any dragon I have seen in a videogame including zelda dragons and jack of blades as a dragon.
Kain has never physically been strong enough to take out an army. Why sneak into the sarafan stronghold if he were powerful enough to just assrape the army ?
COMMON SENSE JUST SLAPPED YOU IN THE FACE.
Yes normal men can't stand against Kain but an army would walk the dog over him. Normal men cannot stand over the archdemon but he has shown the ability to take on small armies along with a party of four and easily hold his own before calling in reinforcements.
If Kain could defeat trillions he could defeat all the humans himself and would have no need of generals or an army. Guess what he needed an army and allies in every single game. He's never been shown to be able to take on an army nor is he stupid enough to engage an army. You're ludicrous and the game laughs at your opinion.
Kain does need to sneak around because he's up against competent and capable opponents who have armies and small bands so he can't just show up waving his Kain banner he has to sneak in. Same reason he ran from the Nemesis. I love it when the game backs up everything I state and nothing you state.
Neither character is unkillable in these threads and you can imprison or possess them or trap them in the Fade anyways. 😉
Thanos had the power to wish away half the universe and did so. To compare the two is so utterly ridiculous when comparing them against Raziel a known idiot and easily manipulated victim who was killed by possessed Janos or Kain who feld from a weak army of the Nemesis or fell to the Hylden Lord while Thanos without these armies could eradicate all these armies at once without the ig. he's taken out billions before while mindless and depowered.
His powers ? Water destroys him easily. He never soloed any armies in his games so how does he utilize them in this contest to solo either of these armies. Give examples based on the games I have so you should do the same. Guess what the emissaries can paralyze him soon as he appears and freeze him and petrify and shatter him before he even knows what is going on. Powers argument I'll stomp you there.
My ass they aren't numerous. There are oodles and oodles of these characters throughout the game and the downloadable content which I have been kind enough to not even bring up till now. So many golems and ogres and even armored ogres who are even more formidable.
They also have darkspawn who can think and reason along with the Mother and the Architect. Wow, utter stompage.
There's more than one broodmother in the game and in a war type setting the ***** will do nothing but spawn more.
Teryn Loghain will unify the human forces and lead them to victory. His brilliant strategic mind along with the redcliffe soldiers, his own forces, the tevinter slavers, Zathrian, Witherfang, Uldred, two darkspawn generals, Jarvia, Bhelen, Caridin, Branka, Arl Eamon, Arl Howe, dalish clan, golems, werewolves, Gregoir, First Enchanter Irving, Oghren, Felder, Jowan, etc. will utterly destroy their forces. They could splinter these mammoth forces into like 4 groups and sandwich them into doom.
I've left out the dragons outside the Archdemon as well and the Harvester. There were also lots of Harvesters as well at the end of that. I mean this isn't even close.
The darkspawn have emissaries who heal their allies and toss fireballs or electrical damage at them from afar along with archers. They don't have to just run mindlessly at them with swords alone and this isn't taking into consideration the intelligent darkspawn who were ambushing and annihilating grey wardens left and right. Hahahaha.
There were more than just the haven nutbags to contend with such as the templars and random fanatics of Bhelen and Harrowmont. Fanatic is just a worse and means nothing anyways.
Vampires were taken out by just flame and what not down to one vampire, Kain who was dicing through the timestream. Kain didn't annihilate the humans on his own he avoided that as well. The golems would just run right through these weak humans and demolish them.
Kain himself while weaker took out the circle of nine who were corrupted so these guys will shutter in fear from an actual army who wants their heads. Tens of thousands of darkspawn alone with the ability to breed more. Throw in intelligent ones and golems and Loghain can sit on his ass and have tea parties.
The werewolves can definitely hang with the general populace of the vampires who were eradicated by humans, easily.
Greater black demons aren't greater than ogres it's arguable either way but there are far more ogres and armored ones as well. There's even possessed Ogres who can be brought back to life by emissaries.
That's one vampire who was very quick not the lot of them and in dragon age the mages staffs never miss so they are screwed.
Vorador knew he couldn't beat the humans he was crushed it had nothing to do with Moebius it was inevitable.
Armies of men can contend with darkspawn but they have never been eliminated down to one lone one such as vampires in kain. Laughs.
If you played it you'd realize throughout all the game and dc there are a lot of mages both friendly and enemy alike. So say there aren't many is ignorant.
Well over 200 mages in the game both friendly and enemy combined.
There's no evidence to suggest he will even take on an army Kain's past suggests he runs from this. He has never faced an army he's turned tail and fled. if he stays he dies aif he flees he dies eventually. Pick which option.
When has Kain ever thrown someone like an ogre around like a ragdoll ? Please...do tell.
In this thread they can and will and if need be would take Raziel prisoner and use Kain's sword to see him and kill him. Kain was big enough to beat him to which he could nothing but bellyache as he walked right out.
Kain runs like he did against the Nemesis or gets crushed for 200 years like when he challenged the Hylden Lord.
Dragon age in an epic stomp.
Originally posted by quanchi112
how long you took to "beat it" e.g. 20 minutes is uncanon which is where your ignorence on how Games vs works shows, we dont count how long it takes for an in-game player character to beat something as a canon regard of its strength/durability. I killed it easily, using only Golem armies to weaken it, it was not a hard boss certainly not for a group of Wizards but what i did is not canon apart from the fact a Grey warden killed the dragon.
In real life no, in a game it depends on the canon. If your character stunned the lion, shot it twice and an NPC killed it in canon, then its the NPC who did it, your shots are irrelevant.
Their everything to do with it because when I said "weakest dragons in fiction" you claimed you put the Dragon in DAO at the top of your list. Obviously you lied. Zelda and jack of blades? their the only video game dragons youve seen? "sigh"
Yes he has, your making claims and not backing them up. Kains as shown is stronger than Raziel who has tonnes of strength in his arms, Kain can also take tonnes of damage....a man with a sword cant deal tonnes of damage. Why sneak? did you even play the damn game? 😆 you think he was sneaking around Sarafan strongholds to kill armies? 🙄 if your talking about BO2, hes trying to kill the Sarafan lord, if your talking about Defiance then hes trying to find moebius before he escapes.
An army is made up of normal men. Think of it this way, if trillions of knights ran at a modern Challenger 2 main battle tank and started smacking it with their bronze swords, their not going to damage it are they? no...its not going to blow up, they cant get through Dorchester armour. its the same thing here, only Kain in question can rip them apart like wet tissue paper.
Feats, logic, common sense AND actual in-game canon just punched you in the gut.
No it doesnt, your opinion is that Kain only wants to defeat armies which he can do by himself, what he cant do by himself is build an empire and keep hold of territories across a continent. Thats what he cant do by himself, so no, the game laughs at your opinion.
Yeh, but if he did not actually do it, would you argue Thanos could not beat armies even if we knew for a fact he had hte power? because thats what your doing with Kain.
Yeh, so? We dont know how many there are for sure, nor does it matter. They dont breed armies instantly in the canon iirc they need food, and sustenance.
Only Logain and all those generals realise they have been manipulated from the beginning, kill eachother because they think the other forces have rebelled and end up becoming surrounded because their facing brilliant thousands of years old minds, manipulators and strategists who have actually conquered worlds (Kain). Logain, a petty General with what, 50 years of experianc vs several of Kains Genreals with thousands? I lold.
Emissaries are few in number and more importantly, Sarafan have their own sorcerors who heal, toss energy and shield their allies.
Golems? 😆 their made out of iron are they not? and as i said, theres not many of them at all, they were made from old dwarven people at the anvil.
Kains stronger than this army, the circle twisted an entire region with their magic and thats just 3 of them, Dejoule the energist can damage cells of people who just stand near her and she shoots energy and lightning all around, Mortanius soul rapes. He could just take the Dragons soul and imprison it inside anoher vessel under his control.
Werewolves who get shot by the cannon fire from demon hunters? werewolves who have faced nothing but bows vs Vampires who are faster, stronger etc? Nah.
Yes it is, a black/greater Demon is larger than an Ogre, has more muscle and breathes fire. Their also intelligent and numerous, e.g. a whole race. We have seen how few Ogres are in Darkspawn armies, handfulls at most.
Yeh, ignorance again. Go re-play Blood omen, Moebius has the only weapon that can stun/weaken vampires, his staff.
Thats because the Darkspawn have not faced cannons, flamethrowers and sorcerors wielding powers specially desigend to work agains them. On the other hand, armies of men with far higher tech equipment than those in Ferelden hide in fear from Kains enormous Empire in Soul reaver after he conquered the lot of them.....Darspawn and their leader perished at the hands of the humans and a handfull of Grey wardens 😆
I have played it, theres Tervinter sorcerors, maybe a handfull in the circle tower left but other than that. mages are rare in DaO.
Kain rips them apart with his bare hands as their swords, bows and magic bounce off him as he calls "Vae Victus!". And when hes drunk the blood of a million men (Ferelden prob does not have over 10-20k) he sits back, tosses his sword in boredom and takes off the Dragons head with his hands.
Your claiming an Ogre has over 100 tonnes of body weight?
Because Kain has the soul reaver, DAO dont.
Yeh 200 years, because DAO has access to glyph/hylden magic AND kain has not changed in power at all since Blood omen 2...oh wait, your wrong...
youve yet to counter
-heavy armour and cannons/guns used by Demon warriors
-Trained Sarafan warriors vs rag tag groups in fereldon (kings men=skilled but redcliff vs armorued Sarafan? nah...)
-Circle Dark Eden sphere
-Contientn sized God just burying them all.
-Vampires, vast numerous army of creatures of the night with powers over the mind, mist forms, transformations, super speed and strength etc
-Kain...nuff said, youve not countered him at all. Youve used gameplay spells which Kain has shields to resist againt anyway.
-Hylden lord and other Hylden....
among other things ofc.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtThe point is one character didn't just easily stab the archdemon's head and kill it. You made it out like that which is completely out of context. That's the whole point and always has been.
how long you took to "beat it" e.g. 20 minutes is uncanon which is where your ignorence on how Games vs works shows, we dont count how long it takes for an in-game player character to beat something as a canon regard of its strength/durability. I killed it easily, using only Golem armies to weaken it, it was not a hard boss certainly not for a group of Wizards but what i did is not canon apart from the fact a Grey warden killed the dragon.In real life no, in a game it depends on the canon. If your character stunned the lion, shot it twice and an NPC killed it in canon, then its the NPC who did it, your shots are irrelevant.
Their everything to do with it because when I said "weakest dragons in fiction" you claimed you put the Dragon in DAO at the top of your list. Obviously you lied. Zelda and jack of blades? their the only video game dragons youve seen? "sigh"
Yes he has, your making claims and not backing them up. Kains as shown is stronger than Raziel who has tonnes of strength in his arms, Kain can also take tonnes of damage....a man with a sword cant deal tonnes of damage. Why sneak? did you even play the damn game? 😆 you think he was sneaking around Sarafan strongholds to kill armies? 🙄 if your talking about BO2, hes trying to kill the Sarafan lord, if your talking about Defiance then hes trying to find moebius before he escapes.
An army is made up of normal men. Think of it this way, if trillions of knights ran at a modern Challenger 2 main battle tank and started smacking it with their bronze swords, their not going to damage it are they? no...its not going to blow up, they cant get through Dorchester armour. its the same thing here, only Kain in question can rip them apart like wet tissue paper.
Feats, logic, common sense AND actual in-game canon just punched you in the gut.
No it doesnt, your opinion is that Kain only wants to defeat armies which he can do by himself, what he cant do by himself is build an empire and keep hold of territories across a continent. Thats what he cant do by himself, so no, the game laughs at your opinion.
Yeh, but if he did not actually do it, would you argue Thanos could not beat armies even if we knew for a fact he had hte power? because thats what your doing with Kain.
Yeh, so? We dont know how many there are for sure, nor does it matter. They dont breed armies instantly in the canon iirc they need food, and sustenance.
Only Logain and all those generals realise they have been manipulated from the beginning, kill eachother because they think the other forces have rebelled and end up becoming surrounded because their facing brilliant thousands of years old minds, manipulators and strategists who have actually conquered worlds (Kain). Logain, a petty General with what, 50 years of experianc vs several of Kains Genreals with thousands? I lold.
Emissaries are few in number and more importantly, Sarafan have their own sorcerors who heal, toss energy and shield their allies.
Golems? 😆 their made out of iron are they not? and as i said, theres not many of them at all, they were made from old dwarven people at the anvil.
Kains stronger than this army, the circle twisted an entire region with their magic and thats just 3 of them, Dejoule the energist can damage cells of people who just stand near her and she shoots energy and lightning all around, Mortanius soul rapes. He could just take the Dragons soul and imprison it inside anoher vessel under his control.
Werewolves who get shot by the cannon fire from demon hunters? werewolves who have faced nothing but bows vs Vampires who are faster, stronger etc? Nah.
Yes it is, a black/greater Demon is larger than an Ogre, has more muscle and breathes fire. Their also intelligent and numerous, e.g. a whole race. We have seen how few Ogres are in Darkspawn armies, handfulls at most.
Yeh, ignorance again. Go re-play Blood omen, Moebius has the only weapon that can stun/weaken vampires, his staff.
Thats because the Darkspawn have not faced cannons, flamethrowers and sorcerors wielding powers specially desigend to work agains them. On the other hand, armies of men with far higher tech equipment than those in Ferelden hide in fear from Kains enormous Empire in Soul reaver after he conquered the lot of them.....Darspawn and their leader perished at the hands of the humans and a handfull of Grey wardens 😆
I have played it, theres Tervinter sorcerors, maybe a handfull in the circle tower left but other than that. mages are rare in DaO.
Kain rips them apart with his bare hands as their swords, bows and magic bounce off him as he calls "Vae Victus!". And when hes drunk the blood of a million men (Ferelden prob does not have over 10-20k) he sits back, tosses his sword in boredom and takes off the Dragons head with his hands.
Your claiming an Ogre has over 100 tonnes of body weight?
Because Kain has the soul reaver, DAO dont.
Yeh 200 years, because DAO has access to glyph/hylden magic AND kain has not changed in power at all since Blood omen 2...oh wait, your wrong...
[b]youve yet to counter
-heavy armour and cannons/guns used by Demon warriors
-Trained Sarafan warriors vs rag tag groups in fereldon (kings men=skilled but redcliff vs armorued Sarafan? nah...)
-Circle Dark Eden sphere
-Contientn sized God just burying them all.
-Vampires, vast numerous army of creatures of the night with powers over the mind, mist forms, transformations, super speed and strength etc
-Kain...nuff said, youve not countered him at all. Youve used gameplay spells which Kain has shields to resist againt anyway.
-Hylden lord and other Hylden....among other things ofc. [/B]
I've used the golem army against it and he takes the golems down before he even calls in his troops. A grey warden killed a weakened archdemon after it was defeated in battle. You just don't even comprehend what it is you are even saying. Context.
What ? That's not irrelevant? You act as if the kill shot or blow is all that matters. Context is your enemy it would suppose. Fine I will go down to your level Raziel easily tore out Kain's heart one on one unlike the Archdemon who took on an army and 4 characters at once or 4 at once unlike Kain who was physically raped by Raziel. The warden used a sword as well and the fight wasn't one on one unlike Kain and Raziel didn't use his sword to do so.
I named two other video games whereas you named a video game I have never played and a comics dragon. Give actual examples next thing you are going to name is a movie or cartoon dragon.
Kain was shown about strong enough to easily tear out a heart and overpower Raziel who can do the same so considering of what they are up against this isn't going to get it down as these aren't mere humans they are pushing around with no special abilities.
He snuck into the sarafan stronghold in defiance. Did you play it ? Do you even know who Kain is ? I mean you seem to think he carries a trumpet and sounds off against armies who he slays with his left hand tied behind his back. You're upset he ran from the Nemesis and got beaten by the Hylden Lord for 200 years he got beat up so badly.
Kain isn't a tank nor is he anywhere near as durable as one evidenced by how easily Raziel tore his still beating heart out. Your claims are a joke and contradict how he is portrayed in his own series which you seem to ignore.
Saying feats, etc. just punched me in the guy while not naming any convincing ones and claiming he goes through people like wet tissue paper is another unbacked claim. You also compared his skin to that of a tank...lol.
When has Kain ever defeated an army by himself ? When ? I expect an answer. If you can't cite a canon instance then I win.
Thanos has done it Kain hasn't. Big difference. There goes your argument I argue based on how they are portrayed.
We know there are more than 2 and we know one can breed thousands on top of the thousands already in existence. It does matter and you have no idea about warfare at all if you think numbers don't matter.
Loghain's world is rougher than Kain's and the forces he is up against are more impressive than the forces in Kain's realm. Nosgoth while impressive gets chewed up if they come to just Ferelden.
Kain has more experience but weaker forces by a landslide. Loghain conquered the orlesians and he's conquering Kain here.
There were lots of golems in the game coupled with dc along with the fact they could make more and Bhelen was making them. They have the resources and the ability so look out Kain you;re in real trouble.
I just said there are over 200 emissaries and like a child you say they are few in number. LOL. What a childish response which reminds me of a child with their hands in their ears saying nuh uh. Deny it all you want. Emissaries can do a lot more than lok mages. They can heal as well not only that fade demons, abominations, and blood mages.
Werewolves faced mages and arrows and warriors. Where do you get they only faced off against arrows ? What ? They tear into the human flesh with their ranged weapons just like they did against the dalish with their ranged weapons. They are a lot stronger and faster than human beings so once they close the gap they destroy them.
Yes they twisted one of their regions not a Ferelden region who have plenty of able bodied mages and magic users to prevent this from ever occuring. The archdemon has to be killed to go after his soul there sport. Mortanius gets eaten alive by say the Baroness and say the Harvester.
To say there are just a few handfuls of ogres is just ignorant. Play through the game and count I bet there are at least minimum 60. Plus let's not forget hurlock alpha's.
Did you just say the only way to beat vampires is by Moebius' staff ? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.
The darkspawn have faced mages with powers >>>than simple flamethrowers. In lok this dominates not in dragon age. That's the difference so in a sense you are arguing with me not against me.
What makes the canons so special I mean did you say the abilities available by the mages and what not they can rain fire all over the place with their magic massive explosions and you act like a canon is the all important tactic that can't be overcome. You make me laugh.
What equipment is higher tech ?
Kain was crushed by one army and the Hylden Lord. Kain fled in fear from the Nemesis and had to challenge him before he became the Nemesis because he was too afraid of his army.
The darkspawn were defeated by armies and grey wardens whereas humans eradicated all your powerful vampires save Kain who hid from them.
There are at least 200 mages in the game so rare doesn't matter as that is sufficient enough.
When has a sword bounced off Kain ? The guy fled from a human army before so I doubt he will even want a piece of this.
Uhm dragon age has superior armor, smiths, runes to enchant armor and enchantments that can paralyze or slow their opponents movement. LOL. Yeah advantage dragon age. What game did lok really emphasize badass armor, sport ?
Uhm redcliffe solders, templars, mages, etc. are all trained. You think these are all yahoos who just decided to join the army that day. I question your intelligence if you played the game to make such ignorant statements.
What is the circle dark eden sphere going to do ? ---Do you know who the Harvester is ?
We saw the eg lose in one room and unable to do anything about it. he dies easily by say 10 ogres.
Vampires can be easily destroyed by fire and guess what the mages have---firepower. Humans crushed them so this is just a waxing here as they have humans, mages, warriors, rogues, etc.
Kain you just need to emerse him in water and he'd gone. LOL. That's if he decides to take this challenge on because in the past he'd ducked armies for fear of death.
The Mother and the Architect along with the Lost, the Withered, etc. crush the Hyden Lord.
Who beats the tens of thousands of darkspawn ?
Who beats the golems ?
Who beats the High Dragon, Archdemon, Uldred, Baroness, Harvester, Valterral, Witherfang, Zathrian, Caridin, Desire Demon, Sloth Demon, Caladrius, Hurlock Generals, Ancient Darkspawn, etc. ?