Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
I bet Pokemon dragons can be included in the victory group. But I make this leap based on absolutely no knowledge of the Archdemon.
Nah. Too cartoony and rated E. 😛
No but seriously, I'm in the same boat. Archdemon thing sounds like a typical dragon that breaths fire. Doesn't amount to much, especially next to a Charizard.
Originally posted by NemeBroAre you kidding ?
Actually its flames attack the soul.That is about all it has going for it.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryWell I haven't played either but from what I have heard wow has badasses littered throughout the game and nothing from that game is typical or weak.
Some dragons from Warcraft(especially the Aspects), Megadragons(a very rare dragon species) from M&M.
What's M and M ?
Also in dragon age the archdemon is anything but a typical dragon and the game nor do the characters treat him as such.
Originally posted by NemeBroUh I don't know dominating armies after Riordan's attempted kill. I mean arrows were shot into him left and right and then he takes on four powerful heroes on top of that all.
Name something else.
How many other bad guys take on armies along with the main hero or heroes at the same time and still whoops ass after taking damage immediately before.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thats all we know in the canon, so yeh...it didint lose 90% hitpoints if thats what your saying. in canon it got killed by a Greywarden, what the Golems and what not (if they were even canonically present) did when the player called them in is irrelevant.
It is when thats what the canon states, what the player decides to do or how long the gameplay takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant.
I can name those things ,as they are "fictional", infact if I named a cartoon one it would make the Archdemon even more laughable.
ok you did not even counter/reply to my last post, you just repeated your previous claim. poor debator again....actually counter my claims please otherwise your wasting my time.
He is actualy more durable than one, the tank was an example of what your dealing with.
So your admitting that if Thanos despite all his power had not actually done it you would argue that Thanos could not take on an army? 😆 even what little I know of Thanos, I would never say that he could not beat a group of soldiers with swords regardless of what hes done or not.
No we dont, we know that "over time" and with sustenance they can breed.
No its not, your claiming daft Darkspawn which are just as weak as men are "rougher" than demons, hunters with high tech equipment and world threatening sorcerors.....your making a fool of this affair.
The process of making a Golem is not easy, if you had played the games you would know it takes a living dwarf, you cant just round them all up and make them into Golems which will fall easily against Demons and vampires anyway.
Thats a nice number to pull out of your ass, show me your source. And like a child you ignore my counters and continually state without actual evidence that apprently werewolves or Golems are impressive.
No they dont, mages in fereldon have never countered anything of that magnitude or power.
Even if they were 60 (unlikely, you only face them a few times in canon) thats still a tiny number compared to a whole race of Demons and vampires.
Whats funny is that cannons are numerous weapons in the hands of soldiers, and in a line of fire will rip apart mages, armoured constructs etc while the mages take time casting spells, the mages which as I said, are not numerous.
The only characters in DAO with good armour are the Dwarves. iirc Redcliff and the elves wear either mail or cloth.
templars sure, redcliff soldires? not comparable to Sarafan. Nobody in DAO is part of an order that has fought for centuries against a foe apart from the Warden. The redcliff soldiers are in small number and poorly equiped and even the Kings men has enough for perhaps one battlefeild if that. The DAO intro shows us that he had few men compared to other armies.
The Dark Eden sphre is going to envelope the whole of Fereldon and turn them all into messed up creatures or kill them outright through reality warp. The harvester has nothing to do with it, its like a thinner, weaker version of the vampire Turel almost.
Anyon can be destroyed by fire, thats like saying Darkspawn and humans are just going to be "easily destroyted by fire" but vampires? their faster, stronger nad greater than any army in Ferelden. Also more numerous because in the SR era they covered the world after Kain had become master of Nosgoth, and there were an entire clan of them for each vampire.
Tell that to the Humans in Soul reaver, hiding behind their walls as play things for vampire young.
Yeh right, thats a joke, as is the idea that anyones going to immerse him in water considering hes stronger, faster and more varied in powers than any of them.
Darkspawn<<<<men with swords and poor equipment from DAO<<<Men with flamethrowers, heavy armour and cannons in
Ogres<<<Demons/Cannons
Dark Eden sphere>>>All Fereldon
Elder God>>>>Fereldon
Kain>>>>Fereldon
Also answering a questing with another is not a counter, youve yet to counter cannons, vampires, Kain or the Elder God.
10 ogres cannot see or touch the EG and if they could, they dont have the Soul reaver which would alow them to harm it enmass.
Originally posted by quanchi112
What's M and M ?Also in dragon age the archdemon is anything but a typical dragon and the game nor do the characters treat him as such.
Tasty button-shaped candies... or Might & Magic in this case.
The Archdemon may not be a typical dragon, but he's also hardly anything special or outstanding either.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt lost 99 percent of all it's hitpoints because we see it's energy meter depleted before it could be killed. That's canon or did you miss the 20 min battle that took place beforehand.
Thats all we know in the canon, so yeh...it didint lose 90% hitpoints if thats what your saying. in canon it got killed by a Greywarden, what the Golems and what not (if they were even canonically present) did when the player called them in is irrelevant.It is when thats what the canon states, what the player decides to do or how long the gameplay takes to kill the dragon is irrelevant.
I can name those things ,as they are "fictional", infact if I named a cartoon one it would make the Archdemon even more laughable.
ok you did not even counter/reply to my last post, you just repeated your previous claim. poor debator again....actually counter my claims please otherwise your wasting my time.
He is actualy more durable than one, the tank was an example of what your dealing with.
So your admitting that if Thanos despite all his power had not actually [b]done it
you would argue that Thanos could not take on an army? 😆 even what little I know of Thanos, I would never say that he could not beat a group of soldiers with swords regardless of what hes done or not.No we dont, we know that "over time" and with sustenance they can breed.
No its not, your claiming daft Darkspawn which are just as weak as men are "rougher" than demons, hunters with high tech equipment and world threatening sorcerors.....your making a fool of this affair.
The process of making a Golem is not easy, if you had played the games you would know it takes a living dwarf, you cant just round them all up and make them into Golems which will fall easily against Demons and vampires anyway.
Thats a nice number to pull out of your ass, show me your source. And like a child you ignore my counters and continually state without actual evidence that apprently werewolves or Golems are impressive.
No they dont, mages in fereldon have never countered anything of that magnitude or power.
Even if they were 60 (unlikely, you only face them a few times in canon) thats still a tiny number compared to a whole race of Demons and vampires.
Whats funny is that cannons are numerous weapons in the hands of soldiers, and in a line of fire will rip apart mages, armoured constructs etc while the mages take time casting spells, the mages which as I said, are not numerous.
The only characters in DAO with good armour are the Dwarves. iirc Redcliff and the elves wear either mail or cloth.
templars sure, redcliff soldires? not comparable to Sarafan. Nobody in DAO is part of an order that has fought for centuries against a foe apart from the Warden. The redcliff soldiers are in small number and poorly equiped and even the Kings men has enough for perhaps one battlefeild if that. The DAO intro shows us that he had few men compared to other armies.
The Dark Eden sphre is going to envelope the whole of Fereldon and turn them all into messed up creatures or kill them outright through reality warp. The harvester has nothing to do with it, its like a thinner, weaker version of the vampire Turel almost.
Anyon can be destroyed by fire, thats like saying Darkspawn and humans are just going to be "easily destroyted by fire" but vampires? their faster, stronger nad greater than any army in Ferelden. Also more numerous because in the SR era they covered the world after Kain had become master of Nosgoth, and there were an entire clan of them for each vampire.
Tell that to the Humans in Soul reaver, hiding behind their walls as play things for vampire young.
Yeh right, thats a joke, as is the idea that anyones going to immerse him in water considering hes stronger, faster and more varied in powers than any of them.
Darkspawn<<<<men with swords and poor equipment from DAO<<<Men with flamethrowers, heavy armour and cannons in
Ogres<<<Demons/Cannons
Dark Eden sphere>>>All Fereldon
Elder God>>>>Fereldon
Kain>>>>FereldonAlso answering a questing with another is not a counter, youve yet to counter cannons, vampires, Kain or the Elder God.
10 ogres cannot see or touch the EG and if they could, they dont have the Soul reaver which would alow them to harm it enmass. [/B]
The player needs to defeat the archdemon and weaken it before they can kill it. Duh. That's like saying raziel can just rip out Kain's heart whenever he wants to. I sometimes question how you come up with this weirdo logic that only hurts your case.
We are talking videogames not every type of dragon and it works both ways I can name many movie and cartoon dragons nowhere near as powerful as the archdemon. Stick to the genre. It seems wow would crap all over Kain as well so you have no point.
What claim didn't I counter ?
Why is he more durable ? Raziel ripped his heart out easily so please tell me why I should believe he's so durable when mere water destroys him and he can have his heart ripped out. Wow, dude. Quit saying he's durable prove he's durabe that's why you never win a debate you just say random idiotic things without even attempting to prove them.
I am saying he did actually do it and he's displayed far more power than Kain and the entirety of nosgoth have ever displayed. Kain has fled from an army while Thanos has wrecked billions while dumb and depowered. Yay me!!!!!!
We know they can breed at alarming numbers and guess what they will be doing breeding. You have to come to them and the darkspawn will be ready. Teehee.
World threatening sorcerers isn't an actual point it's another random claim just like high tech equipment. The darkspawn are stronger than normal men and are numerous an dnormal men wiped out the vampires anyways. LOL. Normal men blew through vampires like nothing in your own verse, sport.
Yes, and Branka created and fortified herself with them. The reason there weren't more is because Caridin was in possession of the anvil and refused to take part in this process. If you fight him instead of Branka she makes more and fortifies herself to where Bhelen can't uproot her. Make some sense or at least pretend to understand what is actually going on I keep having to teach you things and explain the reasoning plus the fact there are plenty of golems in existence already.
We see in the games how impressive golems are against ogres, etc. They pound them into the dirt. We see how durable they are. Werewolves are more powerful than the humans when they close the gap. Are you contesting this ? I make valid points while it seems you don't even understand how to counter a point or what an actual point is for that matter.
because the mages are watched closely because of the tevinter imperium and their capabilities. We see with what they have left in just ferelden what they are capable of.
You face them all over the game and towards the end numerous amounts. You also face numerous amounts in awakening with armor on. I mean you played it so quit playing ignorant.
How many demons and vampires ? Roughly mind you ? We saw the humans easily crush them so why are you impressed ?
There are roughly at least 200 and many can heal while others attack while putting mabari in the front along with golems and warriors to take the punishment. Think man. The strategy and the capabilities of these forces make nosgoth look like cedar point.
Yes, most elves aren't warriors so why use good armor to weight them down that's for the strongest warriors. See have an understanding please of the game and the objectives and strengths of each class of character don't act like it's beneficial for every member to have heavy armor on.
The sarafan were one force when comparing them to various forces so they easily are overwhelmed by say templars, redcliffe soldiers, and werewolves alone. Sarafan has failed and was actually even resurrected as an order by the sarafan lord it was and has always been kind of a failure. Laughs at that order.
They can't reality warp all of Ferelden there powers only have to do with their own lands. Think junior.
The harvester would beat down turel. Especially with the ghosts allies just pounding on him.
Yes, anyone can and the mages possess far more impressive fire capabilities than mere flamethrowers. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Yes, more vampires to die for the darkspawn alone. Their numbers are nowhere near as impressive nor can they reproduce anyone near as quickly as the broodmothers.
The humans already whipped the vampires asses once and Kain fled from that era.
They can freeze Kain or petrify him. Their attacks never miss. How does it feel to be outplayed at each point in this debate ? Mages >>>>Kain with their abilities. Poor guy I don't like seeing this happen to Kain.
Golems, Ogres, Armored Ogres >>Cannons, Demons.
Ferelden>>Dark eden sphere as they have no power over ferelden.
Caladrius, Sloth Demon, Baroness >>>eg.
Uldred, Zathrian, Morrigan >Kain. he can't avoid their attacks poor guy.
In closing domination.
Originally posted by ArtificialGloryFromt he dragons I have seen he is special and wow at least has badasses left and right when it's obvious you need them to be in a pvp type game.
Tasty button-shaped candies... or Might & Magic in this case.The Archdemon may not be a typical dragon, but he's also hardly anything special or outstanding either.
Archdemon>Jack of blades dragon or any zelda dragon.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelQuanchi has quite some massive butt-hurt over Zelda due to the 100ish page LoK v.s. Twilight Princess thread. 😛 Expect him to bash it whenever he can, because he does.
I fail to see the reason for bringing up dragons from either Fable or Zelda, when I don't believe he mentioned them.
Originally posted by quanchi112
It lost 99 percent of all it's hitpoints because we see it's energy meter depleted before it could be killed. That's canon or did you miss the 20 min battle that took place beforehand.The player needs to defeat the archdemon and weaken it before they can kill it. Duh. That's like saying raziel can just rip out Kain's heart whenever he wants to. I sometimes question how you come up with this weirdo logic that only hurts your case.
We are talking videogames not every type of dragon and it works both ways I can name many movie and cartoon dragons nowhere near as powerful as the archdemon. Stick to the genre. It seems wow would crap all over Kain as well so you have no point.
What claim didn't I counter ?
Why is he more durable ? Raziel ripped his heart out easily so please tell me why I should believe he's so durable when mere water destroys him and he can have his heart ripped out. Wow, dude. Quit saying he's durable prove he's durabe that's why you never win a debate you just say random idiotic things without even attempting to prove them.
I am saying he did actually do it and he's displayed far more power than Kain and the entirety of nosgoth have ever displayed. Kain has fled from an army while Thanos has wrecked billions while dumb and depowered. Yay me!!!!!!
We know they can breed at alarming numbers and guess what they will be doing breeding. You have to come to them and the darkspawn will be ready. Teehee.
World threatening sorcerers isn't an actual point it's another random claim just like high tech equipment. The darkspawn are stronger than normal men and are numerous an dnormal men wiped out the vampires anyways. LOL. Normal men blew through vampires like nothing in your own verse, sport.
Yes, and Branka created and fortified herself with them. The reason there weren't more is because Caridin was in possession of the anvil and refused to take part in this process. If you fight him instead of Branka she makes more and fortifies herself to where Bhelen can't uproot her. Make some sense or at least pretend to understand what is actually going on I keep having to teach you things and explain the reasoning plus the fact there are plenty of golems in existence already.
We see in the games how impressive golems are against ogres, etc. They pound them into the dirt. We see how durable they are. Werewolves are more powerful than the humans when they close the gap. Are you contesting this ? I make valid points while it seems you don't even understand how to counter a point or what an actual point is for that matter.
because the mages are watched closely because of the tevinter imperium and their capabilities. We see with what they have left in just ferelden what they are capable of.
You face them all over the game and towards the end numerous amounts. You also face numerous amounts in awakening with armor on. I mean you played it so quit playing ignorant.
How many demons and vampires ? Roughly mind you ? We saw the humans easily crush them so why are you impressed ?
There are roughly at least 200 and many can heal while others attack while putting mabari in the front along with golems and warriors to take the punishment. Think man. The strategy and the capabilities of these forces make nosgoth look like cedar point.
Yes, most elves aren't warriors so why use good armor to weight them down that's for the strongest warriors. See have an understanding please of the game and the objectives and strengths of each class of character don't act like it's beneficial for every member to have heavy armor on.
The sarafan were one force when comparing them to various forces so they easily are overwhelmed by say templars, redcliffe soldiers, and werewolves alone. Sarafan has failed and was actually even resurrected as an order by the sarafan lord it was and has always been kind of a failure. Laughs at that order.
They can't reality warp all of Ferelden there powers only have to do with their own lands. Think junior.
The harvester would beat down turel. Especially with the ghosts allies just pounding on him.
Yes, anyone can and the mages possess far more impressive fire capabilities than mere flamethrowers. Thanks for agreeing with me.
Yes, more vampires to die for the darkspawn alone. Their numbers are nowhere near as impressive nor can they reproduce anyone near as quickly as the broodmothers.
The humans already whipped the vampires asses once and Kain fled from that era.
They can freeze Kain or petrify him. Their attacks never miss. How does it feel to be outplayed at each point in this debate ? Mages >>>>Kain with their abilities. Poor guy I don't like seeing this happen to Kain.
Golems, Ogres, Armored Ogres >>Cannons, Demons.
Ferelden>>Dark eden sphere as they have no power over ferelden.
Caladrius, Sloth Demon, Baroness >>>eg.
Uldred, Zathrian, Morrigan >Kain. he can't avoid their attacks poor guy.
In closing domination.
😆 You dont have any idea what canon is in a video game, thats why you should stick to comic book vs, if that....their not the same medium in a debate. The only thing thats canon is storyline or static events/cutscenes or powers. And the "20 minute" battle is not canon.
Hes so durable because he can take Raziels claws without a scratch. Also you bring up Raziel taking the heart of Darkness but fail to realise context, e.g. him being slashed across the chest by the wraith blade and being weakened spiritually and physically.
🙄 re-read what I said concerning Thanos then make a counter. Its like you ignored it completly.
Also provide evidence that any of these forces can take the impact of a cannon.
Show me sources where your getting the 200 number from, I asked for it before but you did not show.
The rest of your post is ranting/spam, youve said all of these things are just repeating yourself without actually proving any of it, or attempting to.
See this is why your making a joke out of yourself, Ogres and Golems can face cannons? since when? since when can the iron which Golems are typically made out of rebound a cannon shot?
The sphere was nothing to do with the area, the power of it came from the 3 members of the circle so Fereldon and its featless wizards are not safe.
All 3 of them are tiny characters who can neither see nor touch the EG.
Kain cant avoid their attacks despite moving quicker, teleporting and having a anti-magic shield? 😆 re-play the game ffs.
You cant outplay anyone in a debate, you know why? because youve spammed points without evidence, have ignorance of both series and claim theres numerous numbers of things despite the actual number of them being dwindling.
Come back to the thread with evidence, or not at all "sport" 😉
Originally posted by TheAuraAngelI already stated those are dragons I am unfamiliar with as opposed to discussing dragons from games I have seen them in. I gave two examples and like I said wow made most of their characters badasses due to it being pvp.
I fail to see the reason for bringing up dragons from either Fable or Zelda, when I don't believe he mentioned them.
Originally posted by ScreamPasteI listed two dragons the archdemon would beat which includes my fable game. You don't even know what the word bash means. Laughs.
Quanchi has quite some massive butt-hurt over Zelda due to the 100ish page LoK v.s. Twilight Princess thread. 😛 Expect him to bash it whenever he can, because he does.
Originally posted by Burning thoughtIt's canon that his energy is dwindled down to the point he just lays there. That has to happen every single time. Do you understand what is even occurring in the video game or did you think the archdemon just decided to take a little nap.
😆 You dont have any idea what canon is in a video game, thats why you should stick to comic book vs, if that....their not the same medium in a debate. The only thing thats canon is storyline or static events/cutscenes or powers. And the "20 minute" battle is not canon.Hes so durable because he can take Raziels claws without a scratch. Also you bring up Raziel taking the heart of Darkness but fail to realise context, e.g. him being slashed across the chest by the wraith blade and being weakened spiritually and physically.
🙄 re-read what I said concerning Thanos then make a counter. Its like you ignored it completly.
Also provide evidence that any of these forces can take the impact of a cannon.
Show me sources where your getting the 200 number from, I asked for it before but you did not show.
The rest of your post is ranting/spam, youve said all of these things are just repeating yourself without actually proving any of it, or attempting to.
See this is why your making a joke out of yourself, Ogres and Golems can face cannons? since when? since when can the iron which Golems are typically made out of rebound a cannon shot?
The sphere was nothing to do with the area, the power of it came from the 3 members of the circle so Fereldon and its featless wizards are not safe.
All 3 of them are tiny characters who can neither see nor touch the EG.
Kain cant avoid their attacks despite moving quicker, teleporting and having a anti-magic shield? 😆 re-play the game ffs.
You cant outplay anyone in a debate, you know why? because youve spammed points without evidence, have ignorance of both series and claim theres numerous numbers of things despite the actual number of them being dwindling.
Come back to the thread with evidence, or not at all "sport" 😉
What is canon is the fact you need to pound on the dragon to get it to the point of one warden defeating it. Context. If three guys beat on someone and one guy enters and then gets the final blow you don't ignore the three man beat down prior to. Look up context and get back to me.
Raziel ripped his heart out. That's not very durable because when Raziel wanted to he just ripped through his soft flesh like nothing. That's not taking his claws like nothing. Wow.....i mean double wow.
You dismiss context when it comes to dragon age right now you want to discuss it in favor of lok. That's why you're delusional and a hypocrite. I throw back your own logic and you cry foul.
Thanos has displayed the power to do so whereas Kain has not. Thanos has also done so whereas Kain fled. Two key points. Do you understand english ?
There are ballistas in the game which seem to use quite a bit of force and these enemies can it like champs. They also can heal or use shields. Next.
Think about the game itself and every mage you saw in the circle, every emissary you fought throughout the game and all the dc. You also can use mages at the end of the battle. You also get about 4-6 in your party throughout all of this stuff. That's at least 200. Then bring in blood mages and tevinter mages and the Architect.
Oh this is when you claim the other person is spamming again. I have destroyed all your points which consist of Kain solos your army. I keep asking for his best feats and you keep avoiding the issue.
Why can't golems take a cannon shot ? Provide a reason why something that durable gets oneshotted ? Provide an example of a golem being one shotted by anything in dragon age or a cannon one shotting anyone significant in lok.
It has to do with power over nosgoth so no they can't warp all of Ferelden. I mean serious for a moment.
In this thread they can touch him and see him. If not they kill Kain and combine Raziel into his sword and then go beat him. By your plot device logic no one can kill the Archdemon then. Yippee.
Their spells don't miss and we see him hit time and time again by Raziel. Raziel ripped his heart out. Kain goes down hard too much for him to overcome. He'd probably flee like he has in the past against mere humans.
Here comes the spam thing again coming from someone who time after time says Kain solos armies when he's not even come close to doing so he ran in fear from a human army through the timestream. Yeah, I back up lok characters as portrayed you don't.
You ignore evidence but the proof is in the pudding. Superior forces, numbers, powers, leadership, magic, etc. Dragon age in a stomp.