Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Living Tribunal AND Eternity

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Taking the Ultimator's statement as true fact, 10.

Though the Ultimator might have just known about 10.

Didn't that furturistic Supeman say there were like 13 known dimensions from Countdown: Arena?

I will check it out when I get home!

Originally posted by NotSoBad
TOAA=GOD

Beyonder is BEYOND God ( in comic book reality).
Just like Primal Monitor is beyond Presence/Yahweh

Look. Beyonder was outside Marvel Multiverse, but was still part of the whole Marvel Universe.

We know that writers created Beyonder and put him in MU. We know that TOAA represents writers or company etc...
TOAA was always The One Above All and he was the one who retconned Beyonder, because he made him simply too powerful. The One Above All in this case, name says it all.

TOAA can now create far more powerful being than what PreR Beyonder was or create the most powerful being (even out of ant or nothing) in all comics ever if he would chose so.

I think that Mxy, CA Superman or Mandrakk would be nothing more than what Living Tribunal and others were to PreR Beyonder.

Originally posted by NotSoBad
Still Beyonder From Secret Wars > TOAA

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Well Emperor Joker hinted as such as well.

I don't put WF Mxy above the Presence though. Or even on the same level.

Obviously Bat Mite could fight him, so he wasn't truly Omnipotent.

Originally posted by King Kandy
His energy created a universe that was that much bigger than the MU. There, now its a feat.

Originally posted by theICONiac
Didn't that furturistic Supeman say there were like 13 known dimensions from Countdown: Arena?

I will check it out when I get home!

Originally posted by Galan007
And Mxy destroyed the entirety of DC (past, present, future), then literally snapped it all back into existence.

I would like to know what about other powerful characters? What happened to them?
When Mxy destroyed entirety of DC, what happened to all characters or especially to those characters who are above those concepts?

I'm also wondering, I mean if there are 10 planes of existence/dimensions and Mxy is from the 5th, what kind of being are in 6 und up and shouldn't they be more powerful than Mxy?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm also wondering, I mean if there are 10 planes of existence/dimensions and Mxy is from the 5th, what kind of being are in 6 und up and shouldn't they be more powerful than Mxy?

Although I don't know, that is why I asked, but logical is that those should simply stay untouched.

Originally posted by Xplosive
I would like to know what about other powerful characters? What happened to them?
When Mxy destroyed entirety of DC, what happened to all characters or especially to those characters who are above those concepts?

Originally posted by Parmaniac
I'm also wondering, I mean if there are 10 planes of existence/dimensions and Mxy is from the 5th, what kind of being are in 6 und up and shouldn't they be more powerful than Mxy?

From what's been displayed on panel, the 4th (referring to the Monitors' plane of actuality, not the New Gods'😉 and 5th dimensions contain the most powerful beings. By far.

Ah ok

Originally posted by Galan007
Nothing (not even Spectre) is above destruction.

True of course, but there must be enough power behind it to destroy such characters (although I always found Spectre overrated). Let say Mxy has the power to destroy entirety, but what about those characters that are above such level of destruction.
Having the power to destroy entirety of DC (time and space) doesn't mean at all that all characters are destroyed.

Were someone like Lucifer or Michael truly destroyed? Is it confirmed on panel?

^ I refer, again, to this scan:

"No more ANYTHING... Except for you and me."

Another case is when Galactus was on a run to absorb an entire Omniverse (all time and space, past and...).
Does that mean he would also absorb someone like LT? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I refer, again, to this scan:

"No more ANYTHING... Except for you and me."

Originally posted by Galan007
^ I refer, again, to this scan:

"No more ANYTHING... Except for you and me."

But that doesn't say much. I have to see most powerful characters being destroyed.
There are characters more powerful than Mxy and if Mxy himself wasn't destroyed in the process (of course he was also behind it), why would others be (someone who is more powerful than Mxy (except if Mxy is the most powerful, but like I know for DC, he isn't).

Originally posted by Xplosive
Another case is when Galactus was on a run to absorb and entire Omniverse (all time and space, past).
Does that mean he would also absorb someone like LT? I doubt it.

Originally posted by Mindset
Which is why this shouldn't be taken seriously.

Originally posted by Mindset
WF effectively makes Mxy above any being in DC, and real world writers/editors. I don't see why we should take it seriously.

Originally posted by Galan007
Implied power (Galactus), and actual feats (Mxy) are two completely different things.

But it could be taken in this debate.
And I haven't seen Mxy actually destroying all those most powerful characters. I have to see it on panel (look what THOTI did, he actually proved it).
If Mxy did it, then he is the most powerful character in DC.

^ How so?

We know real-world writers weren't destroyed by a comic book character. C'mon now.

And I heard about Primal Monitor recently? Who is he?

Originally posted by Galan007
^ How so?

We know real-world writers weren't destroyed by a comic book character. C'mon now.

Hence, the joking nature of the comic.