Pre-Retcon Beyonder vs. Living Tribunal AND Eternity

Started by Xplosive12 pages
Originally posted by Mindset
Because Mxy destroyed the "real world".

Ok, Mindset, you are joking now.

Originally posted by Xplosive
Ok, Mindset, you are joking now.
No, the comic is.

Well, it seems Mxy is the most powerful character in DC comics, although his power does come or depend from the creational powers of Michael+Lucifer. 😕

So that means if Michael and Lucifer were destroyed in the process, Mxy should automatically lose his powers.

Originally posted by Xplosive
But it could be taken in this debate.
And I haven't seen Mxy actually destroying all those most powerful characters. I have to see it on panel (look what THOTI did, he actually proved it).
If Mxy did it, then he is the most powerful character in DC.
"No more infinite earths." (the multiverse)
"No more alternative universes." (everything not associated with the multiverse.)
"No more pasts, no more furtures."
"No more ANYTHING... Except for you and me:"

It doesn't get any clearer than that, imo.

Originally posted by Mindset
Because Mxy destroyed the "real world".

Hence, the joking nature of the comic.

Obviously not. Otherwise no pages would have appeared beyond his final 'DC-busting' blast.

Originally posted by Galan007
"No more infinite earths." (the multiverse)
"No more alternative universes." (everything not associated with the multiverse.)
"No more pasts, no more furtures."
"No more ANYTHING... Except for you and me:"

It doesn't get any clearer than that, imo.

Obviously not. Otherwise no pages would have appeared beyond his final 'DC-busting' blast.

And yet he was supposed to have done this very thing.

Again, it was a joke comic, each post your making seems to be showing that point.

Originally posted by Mindset
And yet he was supposed to have done this very thing.

Again, it was a joke comic, each post your making seems to be showing that point.

No he wasn't.

Almost any comics Mxy partakes in could be considered jokes. He once went into the 'real world', slapped a few writers, and took a comic script so he could see what was going to happen in an upcoming comic. Point being: just because a feat is silly, doesn't mean it's any less canonical -- especially when a character's entire powerset revolves around that kind of thing.

Don't get butthurt. sneer

Originally posted by Xplosive
But it could be taken in this debate.
And I haven't seen Mxy actually destroying all those most powerful characters. I have to see it on panel (look what THOTI did, he actually proved it).
If Mxy did it, then he is the most powerful character in DC.
His power was bashing abstracts in EJ.

Originally posted by Galan007
No he wasn't.

Almost any comics Mxy partakes in could be considered jokes. He once went into the 'real world', slapped a few writers, and took a comic script so he could see what was going to happen in an upcoming comic. Point being: just because a feat is silly, doesn't mean it's any less canonical -- especially when a character's entire powerset revolves around that kind of thing.

Don't get butthurt. sneer

Was this not the same comic he was supposed to have destroyed the "real world"?

Mxy's powerset revolves around the ridiculous, but we still need to draw some kind of line on what should be taken somewhat seriously and what shouldn't. We know Mxy is not the strongest being in DCcomics as it has been shown that there are people above him, so I don't see why we would should take this one instance as holding more significance as those when it contradicts it.

Don't tell me what to do with my butt. sneer

Originally posted by Xplosive
Another case is when Galactus was on a run to absorb an entire Omniverse (all time and space, past and...).
Does that mean he would also absorb someone like LT? I doubt it.
he most likely would have

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
he most likely would have
Based on what proof?LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus so....

Galactus would eat LT's faces.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Based on what proof?LT>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Galactus so....
some of the people galactus absorbed in that story were >galactus

Originally posted by Mindset
Was this not the same comic he was supposed to have destroyed the "real world"?

Mxy's powerset revolves around the ridiculous, but we still need to draw some kind of line on what should be taken somewhat seriously and what shouldn't. We know Mxy is not the strongest being in DCcomics as it has been shown that there are people above him, so I don't see why we would should take this one instance as holding more significance as those when it contradicts it.

Don't tell me what to do with my butt. sneer

If Mxy would have destroyed the writers, he would not have existed on the subsequent pages. I can't believe I actually need to argue this, tbh.

No instance contradicts Mxy's showings in that comic. Aside from WF, Mxy (or his powers) have been used to destroy/recreate the DCU, retcon characters on a whim, beat a being (Ultimator) who embodied all existence, canonically crossover into Marvel comics on more than one occasion, own Spectre, etc. It's what he does.

That's OV's job, huh? uhuh

Originally posted by Galan007
If Mxy would have destroyed the writers, he would not have existed on the subsequent pages. I can't believe I actually need to argue this, tbh.

No instance contradicts Mxy's showings in that comic. Aside from WF, Mxy (or his powers) have been used to destroy/recreate the DCU, retcon characters on a whim, beat a being (Ultimator) who embodied all existence, canonically crossover into Marvel comics on more than one occasion, own Spectre, etc. It's what he does.

That's OV's job, huh? uhuh

Just answer this question, in the comic, was Mxy supposed to have destroyed the real world? Obviously he didn't actually destroy the real world, that's beside the point.

His power was lowered in the comics as an affect of DOV, wasn't it? Joker altered the entirety of the DCU? He never canonically crossovered into MU as far as I know, there was allusion to him just like one was for Barry Allen (Buried Alien).

Originally posted by Mindset
Just answer this question, in the comic, was Mxy supposed to have destroyed the real world? Obviously he didn't actually destroy the real world, that's beside the point.

His power was lowered in the comics as an affect of DOV, wasn't it? Joker altered the entirety of the DCU? He never canonically crossovered into MU as far as I know, there was allusion to him just like one was for Barry Allen (Buried Alien).

I have never been of the opinion that Mxy destroyed the 'real world' -- just that he destroyed everything within the threshold of DC comics.

-I've gone over the DoV thing many times... Yes Mxy's power seemed to be affected, but once he went back to the 5th dimension he was a-ok. But that still doesn't negate the fact that Mxy has beaten Spectre as though he were nothing.
-Yes, Joker altered the entirety of the DCU -- even conceptual realms like hell.
-Yes, Mxy has crossed over into Marvel at least twice (once in Superman #50, the other in the Superman/Surfer crossover.) How do I know those events are canon? Because they were mentioned in Impossible Man's OHOTMU bio.

When you state the Impossible Man's OHOTMU bio, you talking about the Superman/Surfer crossover?

(Also, from what I know, bios aren't really considered usable in terms of canon validity. are they?)

^ See above.

Considering The Official Handbook(s) of the Marvel Universe are published by Marvel, they are as canon as it gets.

so mxy also destroyed marvels omniverse? i guess they couldnt say it because of copyright

Originally posted by Galan007
I have never been of the opinion that Mxy destroyed the 'real world' -- just that he destroyed everything within the threshold of DC comics.

-I've gone over the DoV thing many times... Yes Mxy's power seemed to be affected, but once he went back to the 5th dimension he was a-ok. But that still doesn't negate the fact that Mxy has beaten Spectre as though he were nothing.
-Yes, Joker altered the entirety of the DCU -- even conceptual realms like hell.
-Yes, Mxy has crossed over into Marvel at least twice (once in Superman #50, the other in the Superman/Surfer crossover.) How do I know those events are canon? Because they were mentioned in Impossible Man's OHOTMU bio.

So are you of the opinion Mxy is more powerful than any other being in DC?

The fact that his powers were affected and he had to go back to the 5th dimension would seem to contradict Mxy's level of power shown in WF. It also seems to make some connection between his level of power and the 5th dimension, which no longer existed when Mxy destroyed it in WF, meh. I didn't see where Joker affected every universe in DC, could you point me in the right direction?

Didn't the bio say Mr Pickles or something like that?

Isn't Impossible Man something like Mxy? IM doesn't have such high feats though.
He was also talking to Stan Lee, doing some impossible things, yet LT is still considered second to TOAA.

Originally posted by Mindset
So are you of the opinion Mxy is more powerful than any other being in DC?

How can he be, when his powers depends on creational powers of Michael+Lucifer.
That automatically makes Mxy not the most powerful being in DCU.

Mxy is not the most powerful in DC.