Uncanny X-Force VS New Avengers

mass grenade pin pull ftw. think wolverine origins but without a healing factor ^_^

Right... Fantomex dumps a flying saucer on iron fist to take him down, or better yet, someone shoots his ass with a gun from 0.5 km away. In fact, 3/5 of the NA can be taken out this way. Ms Marvel is the actual threat here, I doubt luke could take logan.

Originally posted by SamZED
Agreed with everything you said, but the reasons you used for Archangle should also work for Deadpool. Except instead of flight its teleporter and instead of projectiles its all kinds of long range weapons and explosives. A knife to the back also works.

DP's teleporter hasn't been standard gear for years and it rarely worked properly then.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
DP's teleporter hasn't been standard gear for years and it rarely worked properly then.

Originally posted by SamZED
He currently has one. Since the beginning of Dark Reign.

Originally posted by 753
hasn't used it since in any of his titles and there have been plenty of situations that called ofr it

Pretty much what I was thinking...

Originally posted by 753
hasn't used it since in any of his titles and there have been plenty of situations that called ofr it

Originally posted by SamZED
I dont even count Corps and MWAM, I like to pretend they're not canon. He uses it in the main series and even used it in ASM before the "gauntlet", just recently.

When was the last time he used it in his main series?

6/10 NA

Originally posted by 753
When was the last time he used it in his main series?

Dark Reign against the Thunberbolt was most current.

Once in a blue moon usage isn't standard gear.

Originally posted by 753
When was the last time he used it in his main series?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Once in a blue moon usage isn't standard gear.

Snipe Iron fist from afar? 😂 He'd just catch the bullet. Same with shooting little darts at him. He'd dodge them all. Illusions won't work and no one is giving Logan a majority over IF nowadays.

Originally posted by SamZED
Thunderbolts several times, In his main series several times, in Amazing Spider-man. He uses it whenever he needs to. No reason to assume that he doesnt have it.

Originally posted by dmills
Snipe Iron fist from afar? 😂 He'd just catch the bullet. Same with shooting little darts at him. He'd dodge them all. Illusions won't work and no one is giving Logan a majority over IF nowadays.

Phantomex's illusions worked on professor x and jean grey.

IF will catch all the bullets? A barrage of auto-fire from 4 different guns and a rain of neurotoxic feathers? I doubt it.

I'm not sure if those feathers can induce paralysis anymore.

Originally posted by 753
I dont recall him using it at all outside his confrontation with the thunderbolts when he and taskmaster use it to fool them. He didn't use it against the hit-monkey. What number of amazing spider-man did he use it in?

Originally posted by 753
Phantomex's illusions worked on professor x and jean grey.

IF will catch all the bullets? A barrage of auto-fire from 4 different guns and a rain of neurotoxic feathers? I doubt it.

Originally posted by dmills
Snipe Iron fist from afar? 😂 He'd just catch the bullet. Same with shooting little darts at him. He'd dodge them all. Illusions won't work and no one is giving Logan a majority over IF nowadays.

Danny caught a low caliber bullet fired from some random Hydra fodder one time, he isn't catching a .50 cal anti material round fired from a mile away by some of the best marksmen in Marvel U.

Iron Fist in the same place he was 30 years ago in regards to beating Wolverine. He has the potential to ko him if he lands enough hits... but lacks the durable take anything but glancing blows, and the speed/skill needed to completely avoid him out right. Wolverine tanks the Iron Fist, hits him once and it's game over, end of story. Same as it was 5 years ago, same as it was 10 years ago, same as it was 20 years ago, and same as it will be 10 years from now. Unused theoretical abilities like the Black Poison Death Touch don't mater, we don't know what it does, or how effective it would be against someone with a healing factor... what we know is the Three Claw Death Punch Wolverine is packing will more than do the job... and he is handing them out by the dozen.

Fantomex's illusions worked on Pro. X and Jean Grey... but I'm sure Iron Fist will be able to resist them!!! dur

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Iron Fist in the same place he was 30 years ago in regards to beating Wolverine. He has the potential to ko him if he lands enough hits... but lacks the durable take anything but glancing blows, and the speed/skill needed to completely avoid him out right. Wolverine tanks the Iron Fist, hits him once and it's game over, end of story. Same as it was 5 years ago, same as it was 10 years ago, same as it was 20 years ago, and same as it will be 10 years from now. Unused theoretical abilities like the Black Poison Death Touch don't mater, we don't know what it does, or how effective it would be against someone with a healing factor... what we know is the Three Claw Death Punch Wolverine is packing will more than do the job... and he is handing them out by the dozen.

This argument works if we're talking about Danny circa 1978.