Originally posted by Johnny Sorrow
This argument works if we're talking about Danny circa 1978.
And its still applicable to current Iron Fist as well.
Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down without getting hit, and against Wolverine he can't afford to take that hit. Look, in the course of the fight Iron Fist is going to hit Wolverine, and Wolverine is going to him back... and Wolverine will recover... and Iron Fist won't. It's really that simple. Danny would have to hit Wolverine dozens and dozens and dozen of times with out getting hit once... and that just isn't going to happen. Even saying Danny would land two hits for every one Wolverine lands is generous, and he'd need to do MUCH better than that to have a shot at winning. Danny may be a more powerful and more versatile character now then he was 10 years ago, but he hasn't gained anything that would afford him a win over Wolverine. He still isn't durable enough to take an attack from Wolverine, he still needs to meditate to heal as opposed to Wolverine who can heal during the course of a battle and he still isn't fast or skilled enough to completely avoid getting hit. Iron Fist can not beat Wolverine for the majority... that is just the plain and simple reality of the situation.
Wolverine has taken FAR wrose than the Iron Fist and kept coming with a smile on his face... Danny hasn't survived anything close to as deadly as a mauling from Wolverine.
Originally posted by dmillsAbout him being a bullet timer that can dodge automatic fire from 4 different machine guns fired by two of MU's best marksmen, one of which has actual superhuman acuraccy. He'd have to keep dodging said barrage until he could cover the 500 meters to take DP and Fantomex head on or hide behind someone who is actually bulletproof. I'd say his survival chances lie with the latter and they'd still be limited.
About Rand being a bullet timer?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And its still applicable to current Iron Fist as well.Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down without getting hit, and against Wolverine he can't afford to take that hit. Look, in the course of the fight Iron Fist is going to hit Wolverine, and Wolverine is going to him back... and Wolverine will recover... and Iron Fist won't. It's really that simple. Danny would have to hit Wolverine dozens and dozens and dozen of times with out getting hit once... and that just isn't going to happen. Even saying Danny would land two hits for every one Wolverine lands is generous, and he'd need to do MUCH better than that to have a shot at winning. Danny may be a more powerful and more versatile character now then he was 10 years ago, but he hasn't gained anything that would afford him a win over Wolverine. He still isn't durable enough to take an attack from Wolverine, he still needs to meditate to heal as opposed to Wolverine who can heal during the course of a battle and he still isn't fast or skilled enough to completely avoid getting hit. Iron Fist can not beat Wolverine for the majority... that is just the plain and simple reality of the situation.
Wolverine has taken FAR wrose than the Iron Fist and kept coming with a smile on his face... Danny hasn't survived anything close to as deadly as a mauling from Wolverine.
I'm sure Psylocke can take Iron Fist ...
Originally posted by 753So your whole position is dependant on him tanking multiple Iron Fists in order to land a single killing blow? Yeah. Rand would lay him flat out. Period.
About him being a bullet timer that can dodge automatic fire from 4 different machine guns fired by two of MU's best marksmen, one of which has actual superhuman acuraccy. He'd have to keep dodging said barrage until he could cover the 500 meters to take DP and Fantomex head on or hide behind someone who is actually bulletproof. I'd say his survival chances lie with the latter and they'd still be limited.
Originally posted by dmills
So your whole position is dependant on him tanking multiple Iron Fists in order to land a single killing blow? Yeah. Rand would lay him flat out. Period.
How did you get that from what I said?
What I said is the ONLY way Iron Fist can win is if he can hit Wolverine without getting hit. He can't do that. Wolverine will go shot to shot with him easily, and he'll come out on top. He has taken FAR stronger punches that the Iron Fist in succession without getting koed. Wolverine hits Danny and the fight is over. Danny hits Wolverine... and Wolverine gets back up.
Originally posted by dmills
He won't come close to decapitating Rand.
The idea that he could avoid Wolverine is absurd. Logan has tagged faster people than Iron Fist, and he won't have any problem replicating such a feat on Danny. Danny will look like a banana that went through a blender on high when Wolverine is done with him.
Originally posted by srankmissingninWho? Some lame villian of the week?
The idea that he could avoid Wolverine is absurd. Logan has tagged faster people than Iron Fist, and he won't have any problem replicating such a feat on Danny. Danny will look like a banana that went through a blender on high when Wolverine is done with him.
Kinda hard to do when you're constantly picking yourself up after getting your face punched off.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And its still applicable to current Iron Fist as well.Iron Fist can't put Wolverine down without getting hit, and against Wolverine he can't afford to take that hit. Look, in the course of the fight Iron Fist is going to hit Wolverine, and Wolverine is going to him back... and Wolverine will recover... and Iron Fist won't. It's really that simple. Danny would have to hit Wolverine dozens and dozens and dozen of times with out getting hit once... and that just isn't going to happen. Even saying Danny would land two hits for every one Wolverine lands is generous, and he'd need to do MUCH better than that to have a shot at winning. Danny may be a more powerful and more versatile character now then he was 10 years ago, but he hasn't gained anything that would afford him a win over Wolverine. He still isn't durable enough to take an attack from Wolverine, he still needs to meditate to heal as opposed to Wolverine who can heal during the course of a battle and he still isn't fast or skilled enough to completely avoid getting hit. Iron Fist can not beat Wolverine for the majority... that is just the plain and simple reality of the situation.
Wolverine has taken FAR wrose than the Iron Fist and kept coming with a smile on his face... Danny hasn't survived anything close to as deadly as a mauling from Wolverine.
He doesn't need to hit Wolverine to hurt him.
Captain America has laid out Wolverine more than once. People below the Hulk and below Iron Fist have taken on Wolverine and escaped decapitation. A healing factor doesn't prevent a KO. I have yet to see Wolverine survive punches "100,000 times stronger" than the Iron Fist.
Originally posted by dmills
Who? Some lame villian of the week?Kinda hard to do when you're constantly picking yourself up after getting your face punched off.
Too many characters to count.
Wolverine would take the Iron Fist with a smile on his face and remind Danny how he's taken a dozen punches from a guy who held freaking tectonic plates together.... and Danny would realize that the moment before his punch connected Wolverine opened up his six back and he'll bleed out in under a minute.
Wolverine has taken worse than an Iron Fist, and he'll take worse again. Fact is that Logan can take Danny's best shot, but Danny can't take his. That simple. I know you love to cling to this delusional belief that for some unknown reason Wolverine will be completely unable to touch Danny... but come on. Pull your head out of your butt and think about what you are typing. Seriously.