Originally posted by marwash22
how? It's not like clones think: "I'm a clone, I'm a clone, I'm a clone". Even if he read the clone's mind, all he would get is battle scenarios and whatnot.
I thought clones were sustained by chakra and thus you needed a conscious desire to keep them alive to have them running around during errants. I suppose it's not the clone who thinks about sustaining itself, but Gorgon could stare at Kakashi or the clones more freely without just getting intro clone-trick-traps.
Nah, a shadow clone is pretty much a perfect copy of the person created it; it thinks for itself and moves on it's own volition, the only real difference is that it blows up (goes poof) when hit hard enough. The only way Gorgon would know Kakashi created a clone is if his eyes are extremely fast and detect when Kakashi makes the switch.
Originally posted by Bentley
I thought clones were sustained by chakra and thus you needed a conscious desire to keep them alive to have them running around during errants. I suppose it's not the clone who thinks about sustaining itself, but Gorgon could stare at Kakashi or the clones more freely without just getting intro clone-trick-traps.
No, it doesn't take continuous effort that we've seen. It takes effort to make them, and you can dismiss them, but they're independently active on their own in between.
They know their clones so it shouldn't be too deep, but neither they nor the maker have to actively think of sustaining themselves.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotas the series progressed, he god pretty good at using it as an offensive/defensive weapon.
That's not really the only argument. Among other things, Kakashi has a spacetime jutsu that essentially creates a miniature black hole.
^ while dying, he swallows up a missile.
swap the missile for gorgon's head/lungs/heart
has there ever actually been an instance where a shadow clone disapeared due to time? To my knowledge, the only way a clone goes poof is if they run out of chakra, get hit hard enough or willingly disperses itself. As long as a clone has chakra or doesn't get hit, i think it can stay around as long as it wills itself to.
Originally posted by marwash22
has there ever actually been an instance where a shadow clone disapeared due to time? To my knowledge, the only way a clone goes poof is if they run out of chakra, get hit hard enough or willingly disperses itself. As long as a clone has chakra or doesn't get hit, i think it can stay around as long as it wills itself to.
I think even existing takes some of their chakra so they'll *eventually* run out, but they can hang around for quite awhile, hours minimum.
Originally posted by marwash22
Nah, a shadow clone is pretty much a perfect copy of the person created it; it thinks for itself and moves on it's own volition, the only real difference is that it blows up (goes poof) when hit hard enough. The only way Gorgon would know Kakashi created a clone is if his eyes are extremely fast and detect when Kakashi makes the switch.
I guess it's just one of those things that's better not to think about.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
If that's true then Shadow Clone Jutsu is the most sinister jutsu ever: creating sentient constructs for the purpose of taking a bullet.I guess it's just one of those things that's better not to think about.
It's not that bad to think about: They do it willingly and their minds re-merge, they don't so much as 'die' as 'rejoin' you when they're killed.
They don't seem to feel much pain either, poofing right after feeling pain.
Originally posted by Q99
It's not that bad to think about: They do it willingly and their minds re-merge, they don't so much as 'die' as 'rejoin' you when they're killed.They don't seem to feel much pain either, poofing right after feeling pain.
It reminds me of the Fridge Logic behind Star Trek transporters, an idea that was explored in depth in the Prestige.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
It's a copy of you, but as soon as its copied it diverges from you and becomes its own person with its own thoughts and experiences.It reminds me of the Fridge Logic behind Star Trek transporters, an idea that was explored in depth in the Prestige.
The thing that makes it ok in my book is all it's thoughts and experiences rejoin with yours too.
It's more you temporarily existing in multiple places than entirely separate beings.
Bentley
You make it sound very Multiple Man, but Madrox makes it even creepier.
Mostly because his can really diverge and sometimes don't want to come back.
Also if they die, they don't come back at all.
Originally posted by Bentleymy first post shows kakashi using a very powerful lightning jutsu.
They also must have a limited life depending on how much chakra was spent, just a logical limitation for people not to use many clones from one occasion to another.
--shadow clones are risky cause they take a portion of the ninja's chackra per clone (4 clones = 1/4 chackra), and when they get taken out the chackra is lost.--
so kakashi made a single shadow clone with half his chackra and it used several jutsu, that lightning attack + being made up of lightning itself.
he should be able to take gorgon out with ease while he's fresh
I don't think shadow clones can act entirely of their own volition. They still seem to "obey" the real person.
Originally posted by marwash22The switches are always so BS so I doubt Gorgon could do this.
The only way Gorgon would know Kakashi created a clone is if his eyes are extremely fast and detect when Kakashi makes the switch.
Oh Kakashi died. Oh no, wait. It's a shadow clone.
Originally posted by xmarksthespotTrue. I guess i phrased it wrong; i was referring to the clones being able to move independently... they don't have to wait for commands to come in from the original jutsu user before they can act.
I don't think shadow clones can act entirely of their own volition. They still seem to "obey" the real person.
and yeah, the switches are BS sometimes; often enough, people with Sharingan get fooled and they're supposed to be able to see everything.
Originally posted by marwash22It's fooled the Byakugan too iirc, which makes little sense.
True. I guess i phrased it wrong; i was referring to the clones being able to move independently... they don't have to wait for commands to come in from the original jutsu user before they can act.and yeah, the switches are BS sometimes; often enough, people with Sharingan get fooled and they're supposed to be able to see everything.
Originally posted by RE: BlaxicanNo, I'm talking about shadow clones, except shouldn't there be a clear difference in the amount of chakra in one of Naruto's shadow clones which is constructed from a finite amount of chakra for a finite amount of time/damage, and the real thing, that contains the Kyuubi?
It fools the Byakugan because the byakugan is supposed to be able to tell that an illusion is an illusion by noticing it's lack of a chakra circulation system. Kage bunshins apparently have those.Unless you're not talking about kage bunshins at all, but regular bunshins, in which case, I fail.
