Originally posted by 753
He just says his blow could have split a diamond planet in two, it actually doesn't even affect the thing he's chopping at and there is no diamond planet in the story. It's just hyperbole.
Isn't the main argument for the UN being a multiverse killer comments from Reed during the Abraxis saga?
Why is that accepted as fact, yet Superman claiming he's capable of breaking a diamond planet considered hyperbole?
Originally posted by 753
god, your trolling is boring. I never showed you any such scan and you've quickly become a legend for producing the most retarded theories on this site's history. You're likely refering to Galactus' description of the SS's power which is a literal description of the conditions he can survive in deep space, not an embelishing literary device. Even then, the description alone wouldn't prove anything, but actually we've seen what the SS can survive on his own, including ions.Your scan has been retconned into what? Current SM is nowhere close to pre-crisis levels and transfering hyperbole of the latter to the former is beyond pathetic.
By the way, you should read thanos imperative four so you can shut up about SS's board being as durable as he is.
Haha, somebody did not like the dose of reality, well I know a lot of people did not like that at all.
spliting a diamond planet in half is probably a low end feat for PC SUPERMAN, Now IF I remember correctly Current Superman is not as strong as PC Superman, but HE HAS FACED characters at the same level of strength.
While for a PC character this is a low end to a mid end feat for current Superman this will be a high end feat.
So yes I understand current Superman is not near PC level of strength, but splitting a diamond planet in half is NOT A HIGH END FEAT for a PC Superman. He probably can do that with a sneeze.
So yes the retcon feat stays, no matter what you say
Originally posted by cdtm
Isn't the main argument for the UN being a multiverse killer comments from Reed during the Abraxis saga?Why is that accepted as fact, yet Superman claiming he's capable of breaking a diamond planet considered hyperbole?
EXACTLY MY POINT. Only Marvel feats and statements are not Hyperboles
Thanks cdmt 🙂
Originally posted by cdtmThe UN has other evidence in its favour. Furhtermore, the difference is that a literal scientific description of events are not the same as an embelishing literary device. I never doubted PC SM could shatter a diamond planet, that doesn't make the statement about that blow itself necessarily true. I interpreted it as hyperbole because it's clearly designed to embelish the story and has an over the top, engranding effect. Do you see any shockwaves forming after the blow? A planet crusing chop that flash doesn't even feel? It doesnt even make noise. You could chalk it up to a basic disregard for physics that was even more prevalent back then, or you could see it as an exagerating description to show how tough the gun was and how surprising it was that it didn't shatter for the sake of the story.
Isn't the main argument for the UN being a multiverse killer comments from Reed during the Abraxis saga?Why is that accepted as fact, yet Superman claiming he's capable of breaking a diamond planet considered hyperbole?
This is the right answer:
Originally posted by -Pr-This is a wrong answer:
If he really wants to, i don't see why not.
Originally posted by biensalsaTaking the following pre-Crisis scan: http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/Pre-crisis%20retcon/SPLITADIAMONDPLANETINTWO.jpg and acting like every event/statement was perfectly replicated/transplanted onto the new post-Crisis history and pretending that PC Superman's statement = legitimate on-panel feat is phail. Serial. Phail.
Plus there is a retcon feat in which He states that he can deliver a blow that would split a diamond palnet in half.Yes He can
Originally posted by cdtmBecause it did actually destroy the Marvel Multiverse? On-panel?
Isn't the main argument for the UN being a multiverse killer comments from Reed during the Abraxis saga?Why is that accepted as fact, yet Superman claiming he's capable of breaking a diamond planet considered hyperbole?
What does PC Superman have to do with Superman? Even granting your projection... it's not like there was a PC Reed shooting a PC UN at a PC Abraxas which was erased from history in the biggest storyline Marvel has ever done... and then was un-retconned back in by a vague reference to the event.
Originally posted by biensalsaWait... I'm supposedly the cheer-leading squad in this situation? Says the guy who argues Superman karate chops diamond planets in half?
Cheerleading squad arriving?
Originally posted by biensalsaProfile worthy, right here.
Point is that if He wants, HE CAN. Plain and simple
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Because it did actually destroy the Marvel Multiverse? On-panel?
In past debates on the subject, it wasn't as cut and dry as you're claiming.. Even Marvels webpage used the singular word "universe" for what was actually reset.
What does PC Superman have to do with Superman? Even granting your projection... it's not like there was a PC Reed shooting a PC UN at a PC Abraxas which was erased from history in the biggest storyline Marvel has ever done... and then was un-retconned back in by a vague reference to the event.
Throwing that example out, is there enough evidence for him being able to destroy an Earth sized planet?
Originally posted by King Kandy
I doubt it. At relativistic speeds the sand should just go right through the watermelon as if it was air. More likely than not just leaving a small sand-sized hole. It would do more damage if it was actually slower, I think.
Interesting angle/point, and I agree. I think we have to look at the asteroid/comet that struck the earth, which led to the extinction (in part or whole is not debatable here) of the dinosaurs as a reference. That would do more damage, than a Supes punch because of its large surface area, yet failed to even reach the mantle.
I think Superman would simply just fly through the Earth living it well in tact, with little or no damage. Sure lava would flow and spill from those entry and exit points, but that's it. Doing this repeatedly, then it would turn into swiss cheese. Now zigzaggin through the earth? Now we have something, I believe.
Punching the earth, IMO, would simply not work, despite the punch containing planet busting capabilities, if that makes sense.
In DC comics, they are subject to write Supes as being capable of virtually anything since he's their golden boy; especially strength wise...
So that said, in a DC Comic (where logic and reason have no meaning...unless they are being used as a plot device to help Supes or Batman defeat one of his foes or get out of a bad situation...lol) Supes can definitely shatter a planet in 5 punches...
But if logic and reason are a factor, then no way in hell is Supes going to accomplish this feat; a previous poster is correct...the planet is infinitely bigger than he is and his point of impact will be far, far, far too small.
Something as small as he relative to the Earth, even if backed by infinite power, would not shatter the Earth; he'd simply make a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny hole leading directly from his point of impact to the other side of the planet...leaving the planet itself fully infact (minus the hole of course).
Originally posted by Starscream M
um yes they doif superman goes full force at earth....he'll go right through it, creating a hole so small relative to the planet
think about an analogy
take a watermelon, and then you shoot a single particle of sand (superman would prob be much smaller in relation) through that watermelon. it doesn't matter how hard you shoot that sand, at best, the send travels through the watermelon...but because of its small surface area, it can't shatter the watermelon.
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killplanet.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killplanet2.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killplanet3.jpg
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc260/Superman-Prime_Respect/killplanet4.jpg
I honestly don't see how that was a serious argument, as comic books do whatever the f*ck they feel like doing, physically impossible or not. That goes for Delph and all the others hilariously trying to use physics here.
Anyway, in regards to this thread, the answer is yes.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurderOnly where his fist met would it be a small area, the transference of energy trying to disperse however, would be a different story. And this is a massive amount. It would go absolutely nothing like you just claimed here. Just pop a hole directly out of the other side? What physics are you using? Popeye cartoons?
In DC comics, they are subject to write Supes as being capable of virtually anything since he's their golden boy; especially strength wise...So that said, in a DC Comic (where logic and reason have no meaning...unless they are being used as a plot device to help Supes or Batman defeat one of his foes or get out of a bad situation...lol) Supes can definitely shatter a planet in 5 punches...
But if logic and reason are a factor, then no way in hell is Supes going to accomplish this feat; a previous poster is correct...the planet is infinitely bigger than he is and his point of impact will be far, far, far too small.
Something as small as he relative to the Earth, even if backed by infinite power, would not shatter the Earth; he'd simply make a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny hole leading directly from his point of impact to the other side of the planet...leaving the planet itself fully infact (minus the hole of course).
Also I think Superman packs far and away more force than a typical meteor falling to Earth.
Originally posted by TheLordofMurder
In DC comics, they are subject to write Supes as being capable of virtually anything since he's their golden boy; especially strength wise...So that said, in a DC Comic (where logic and reason have no meaning...unless they are being used as a plot device to help Supes or Batman defeat one of his foes or get out of a bad situation...lol) Supes can definitely shatter a planet in 5 punches...
But if logic and reason are a factor, then no way in hell is Supes going to accomplish this feat; a previous poster is correct...the planet is infinitely bigger than he is and his point of impact will be far, far, far too small.
Something as small as he relative to the Earth, even if backed by infinite power, would not shatter the Earth; he'd simply make a tiny, tiny, tiny, tiny hole leading directly from his point of impact to the other side of the planet...leaving the planet itself fully infact (minus the hole of course).
Wrong!
I am guessing you have never seen Blood Sport.
Frank Deux was able to crush the bottom brick by hitting the top brick. If Van Damm can do it then Superman can definitely do it.
Also, if there is no time limit, cant he just punch it once and let it fall apart can come back later to punch it.
Please consider this. We are all in agreement that he could at the very least punch a whole threw the planet in a single blow. What would stop him from then flying into the middle of the Earth and punch from there. That would displace more matter since it the Earth is all compacted and centered at the Core?
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't recall the actual issue biensalsa is talking about, but if superman actually damaged/shattered the diamond planet in the story and it was referenced post crisis, then it should stand...
Originally posted by -Pr-
I disagree that it's hyperbole, though.
Or did you mean that it wouldn't be hyperbole for Pre Crisis Supes(I just realized I may have misunderstood what you meant)?
Originally posted by biensalsa
This coming from the guy who showed me a statement saying that Silver surfer cannot be harmed with fire, electricity and something else? Which by the way WAS OLDER than my scan. (actually I don't remember if it was you)And why is unusuable if it is a retcon event?, just because you say so?
I see mod aprovingt the feat, so I'll go wit him
Actually he said…
Originally posted by -Pr-
There's a difference between it being hyperbole and it being allowed to stand, though.Anything said during the fight isn't usable anyways...
Originally posted by darthgoober
He didn’t shatter a planet and they’ve been referencing Pre Crisis adventures since right after COIE went down. The basic story’s still took place because Earth 1 was used as the “base” universe when the final 5 universes were combined at the end of the story, but Supes and the rest still went through a massive depowering despite those basic stories still taking place so any feats that aren‘t specifically mentioned are obviously no longer applicable.
It depends. For example, we know that Superman fought Mongul in the Alan Moore issue, and we know that they fought because it's been referenced post crisis. To that end, we would use the actual fight as the basis for what happened.
It really depends.
The feat supposedly being “rectoned” into continuity took place in 1990 pr. Do you really think that Superman from 1990 was strong enough to split a diamond planet in half with one shot?
it wouldn't matter, because John Byrne Superman had some crazy feats as it was, and he only got stronger after that. If he had actually shattered it/damaged it, it would.
Or did you mean that it wouldn't be hyperbole for Pre Crisis Supes(I just realized I may have misunderstood what you meant)?
I didn't read the issue, so I can't say for certain, though i was talking about Post Crisis.
