Silver Surfer vs Flash

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You're in the minority as feats go way beyond their listings. Odin is like a class 70.

Yeah strength feats are far more cut and dry.

We simply come to the conclusion that 'Class 100' does not actually mean '100 tons'. It just means its the max rating for strength out of 100.

Seeing as even modest size boulders are 100 tons, Spiderman by feats would technically be in the 'class 100' group by the simple definition of the given by marvel handbooks. But we know he's actually not in league with any Class 100 guys.

Originally posted by Bouboumaster
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Did the "math" on this.

For Galaxies to be passing by a person as he travels, you need to be moving around at least....

3,153,600,000,000,000,000 times the speed of light multiplied by the amount of galaxies passed per second to create a "blur" effect.

So, that's pretty nuts. 😛

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Did the "math" on this.

For Galaxies to be passing by a person as he travels, you need to be moving around at least....

3,153,600,000,000,000,000 times the speed of light multiplied by the amount of galaxies passed per second to create a "blur" effect.

So, that's pretty nuts. 😛

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You're in the minority as feats go way beyond their listings. Odin is like a class 70.

Odin is not a class 70 and the example I gave would have the narration stating she-hulk lifted a submarine by pressing 70 tons of strengh upon it regardless of how much it would weight in the real world. The feat cannot be inflated to a 30.000 tons lifting in contradiction fo narration.

The flash thing was a screw up by the writer. It's not a crazy feat, it's an artifact.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
not really, flash once ran to the end of universe while outrunning a abstract. thats far faster than that 😛

Well, if you consider the Surfer's perception abilities that allow him to perceive nano-second level details, then each galaxy must be passing him within less than a nano-second in order for them to be perceived at a blur. Making this feat far more impressive.... O_O

Yeahhh, that's it...!!!

Also, if the feat ur talking about is the instance i remember, wasn't he narrated to be just a bit over light speed there, too?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Well, if you consider the Surfer's perception abilities that allow him to perceive nano-second level details, then each galaxy must be passing him within less than a nano-second in order for them to be perceived at a blur. Making this feat far more impressive.... O_O

Yeahhh, that's it...!!!

Also, if the feat ur talking about is the instance i remember, wasn't he narrated to be just a bit over light speed there, too?

Originally posted by Juntai
Flash's perceptions are faster too.

Never questioned/contended with that. But Flash's nuke feat wasn't based on his perceptions but on standardized measures of time.

Also, his running across the universe feat, IIRC, was done at under light speed.

Surfer's feat was based on HIS perceptions.

And if you haven't figured it out, I was just joshing about the whole post and "math" and the whole feat in general.... 😛

how does flash run across the universe under light speed. hed still be doing it...

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Originally posted by Lord_Talron
how does flash run across the universe under light speed. hed still be doing it...

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Actually, I think that was to the end of TIME and not the Universe and I cuda sworn it was mentioned somewhere there that the Black Flash can't travel faster than light... can't remember tho...

thats better 🙂

Originally posted by SamZED
Anyone can go FTL in DC, sometimes I think it only takes a bicycle in that universe.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, I think that was to the end of TIME and not the Universe and I cuda sworn it was mentioned somewhere there that the Black Flash can't travel faster than light... can't remember tho...

But they are the same, right?

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
Actually, I think that was to the end of TIME and not the Universe and I cuda sworn it was mentioned somewhere there that the Black Flash can't travel faster than light... can't remember tho...

Black Racer in FC was said not to move FTL, but he did before in the earlier New God's run.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
Yeah strength feats are far more cut and dry.

We simply come to the conclusion that 'Class 100' does not actually mean '100 tons'. It just means its the max rating for strength out of 100.

Seeing as even modest size boulders are 100 tons, Spiderman by feats would technically be in the 'class 100' group by the simple definition of the given by marvel handbooks. But we know he's actually not in league with any Class 100 guys.

Originally posted by 753
You sure? Just count the posters that have agreed the feat is unusable or that he was going under lightspeed as narration stated.

Odin is not a class 70 and the example I gave would have the narration stating she-hulk lifted a submarine by pressing 70 tons of strengh upon it regardless of how much it would weight in the real world. The feat cannot be inflated to a 30.000 tons lifting in contradiction fo narration.

The flash thing was a screw up by the writer. It's not a crazy feat, it's an artifact.

He might not have intended it completely but he did intend to put those numbers down and do the feat so he did do it. Flash has crazier feats under his belt and if he was only going under light speed then he wouldn't have been able to do that feat. Who knows, maybe he was so hurried he didn't pay attention to how fast he went.

Or we can just say he went 2.5 quintillion miles per second and call that just under light speed. That was your other argument right?

Originally posted by SamZED
Anyone can go FTL in DC, sometimes I think it only takes a bicycle in that universe.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Strength is also different as it is adrenaline based and more effort based than speed feats are generally. Spider-Man has the ability to do those feats, but he's not a regular in the class 100 area. I'm sure. I count 3 people in this thread, and more on the other side, and even more in the other thread regarding this. There is no way he was going less than the speed showed or he just didn't do it, how hard is that to understand. What someone does always go over what they say, or even what the author says at times.

He might not have intended it completely but he did intend to put those numbers down and do the feat so he did do it. Flash has crazier feats under his belt and if he was only going under light speed then he wouldn't have been able to do that feat. Who knows, maybe he was so hurried he didn't pay attention to how fast he went.

Or we can just say he went 2.5 quintillion miles per second and call that just under light speed. That was your other argument right?

Originally posted by 753
My argument is that your mathematical extrapolation of the event is meaningless, because it's an obvious mistake by the author. And his words printed on paper in the story are as good as god's. My point is that the feats is unusable to prove he can move at trillions of c, because it's a **** up, not an actual feat. That storyline says nothing about his speed only about the lack of consistancy and carelessness of writers in comics.

he performed the feat but it was stated to still be under light not above.

hence, real science to explain the feat doesnt count as a feat in itself..

writers also have stated flash is the fastest guy in comics