Originally posted by Q99
But if he's hit, he is hurt.The structure of the exoskeleton has massive anti-crush durability, but he can still be shot to death.
He is the best combatant on the Foxhound side easily.
He can be shot to death....but no one on Weapon X is skilled enough to hit him.
And yeah, he's the best, followed by Raiden, then Big Boss and Solid Snake.
Between Raiden and Fox.....I see massive stompage.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
what that bullshit. Several characters were left out. Also silverfox is completely useless, she never displayed any powers or fighting abilities.and the other team has several more guys.
honestly this is crap. and obviously some one trying to to make foxhound win. what it not bad enough to leave out several weapon x guys, but instead put in a character who completely useless and give the other team several more characters.
again x-23 is not part of weapon x. sauron/chamber/john wraith were part of it however.
Dum Dum, you're whining because Weapon X has one useless/featless member in Silver Fox and they're missing several people? She's still part of Weapon X and I think she has claws, so that counts for something. Like it's been stated before, Wolverine, Sabes, Deadpool and X-23 have extremly rapid HF's, and Kain can heal to an extent too.
FOXHOUND on the other hand has Decoy Octopus, who did Jack Sh*t before dying...and the only thing he was good for was disguises. He was basically Chameleon, only for Metal Gear fans.
Revolver Ocelot, while not useless entirely, can't do much if anything to anyone besides Fox, Fantomex, and probably Maverick(Don't know how well he handles bullets) And once both of his revolvers are empty, his reload time is crap.
All Psycho Mantis did was throw random objects around the room and read minds, which will be grossly innefective considering all of these people have pretty good psi-shields.
Raven, despite using a vulcan cannon from an F-16, is still shooting bullets, which won't do much to half the team...unless he saws Deadpool, 23, Kain, and Fantomex in half. Despite the sheer power and amount of bullets he puts down range, he's fairly useless besides a distraction and keeping WX on their toes. Oh, and he's slow as hell, he's basically a walking target. A tough target, but a target nonetheless.
Sniper Wolf is helpless once you get up close. And most of the WX teams have dodged bullets.
You see my point? FOXHOUND has 5 people who are virtually useless in this fight besides keeping the non-HF members on their toes and occupied. And even if they down them, HF'ers eat bullets all day.
And you wanna talk about missing members, DEAD CELL was the replacement for FOXHOUND, so we technically could've used Vamp and Fortune. And since you keep talking about how some of them aren't weapon X, we should also be able to use people who weren't part of Foxhound, like Colonel Volgin and Boss and the Cobra Unit, and B&B Unit.
Originally posted by illadelph12
It's a mixture of exaggeration on one side, and sour grapes on the other. Most members of Weapon X have psionic defenses, and half the group has high level healing factors. Most members of the MGS group do not and can be killed easily by conventional means. Also, the MGS group uses mainly conventional weaponry which is pretty much child's play for members of Weapon X to either tank and let their healing do it's job, or evade.Granted, the MG Rex provides a good offense, at long range, but given the battlefields and proximity (.5 km) the use of a nuke would result in the deaths of the Foxhound members as well as most members of Weapon X, save Wolverine, Deadpool, Sabretooth, and possibly X-23.
In close quarters Weapon X has a decisive edge over most members of Foxhound, and in each environment, sans the open battlefield, stealth, which is a strong suit of both groups, can be used. The Weapon X members also have the advantage, and benefit, of having Wolverine, X-23, and Sabretooth, all of which have advanced tracking abilities.
This battle isn't so cut and dry. There's just a clear deficit of tactical thinking and imagination going on amongst the detractors.
Ok.
Ok.
Thanks for the information. Presentation is a large part of discussions such as these, and FOXHOUND had a grand one. I think most people knowledgeable on Weapon X aren't versed on FOXHOUND, so they are forced to go with the statements made here.
Originally posted by Q99
Most of Fox Hound is badass norms, and most of Weapon X is superhumans.Worth noting is while there is a strength feat that is huge on behalf of the cyborg ninja (and almost more of a 'bracing' feat than a 'strength' one, and was not in good shape afterwards. I'd almost say it's classs 10 strength that was pushed way, way past his limit for a short time), guns are quite capable of hurting and even killing the person in the exoskeleton. Furthermore, people who IMO aren't more dangerous than Wolverine have fought in melee vs him.
The mech has regularly been taken out by a badass norm on foot with a missile launcher. Regularly.
I will mention part of the reason I've been arguing the strengths of the MGS people more is because, on base, I see Weapon X as the stronger.
Ok. I don't want to undercut him obviously, but he sounds a lot more manageable now.
Ok. Was it a surprise attack? The video showed the mech with a laser. How much damage can it do?
Ok.
Originally posted by KingD19
Actually, Rex weighs 505,450kg, which equates to 1,114,326lbsThat's around the neighborhood of 557 tons.
So that wasn't bracing, he straight up held Rex's foot that was pressing down with all of it's weight, quite casually it seemed.
And to clarify, guns and bullets are no hazard...he's fast enough to block them with no effort, and he easily evaded the machine gun fire from Rex.
Using his sword, he's blocked auto fire so fast his arm doesn't look like it's moving, you just see flashes of his blade and the spark of the bullets being cut/deflected.
He was also casually slicing through stone and metal, and slapping around slabs of rock that had to weigh a couple tons at the least.
Hell, even after having his arm sliced off, he kept fighting, and after getting gored almost completely through the abdomen, and having said abdomen crushed, he kept fighting. And after that, REX couldn't stomp him to death the first time because his exoskeleton was too durable. Even after it'd been majorly compromised, Liquid had REX pressing down with all it's might for nearly a minute before he finally crushed him.
Gray Fox was a F*cking beast, and to underestimate him in this battle gets half of Weapon X killed. Give him his laser along with his sword, and he stomps most of the battle by himself.
If most of his team are badass normals, it might balance out though.
What else does this Psycho Mantis character bring to the table? He is another that might cause problems.
Also a good thing to note is that Deadpool could conceivably disable the MG Rex very quickly by simply teleporting to it and planting some explosives in key places, and adamantium claws will definitely tear through it and the cyborg's (Raiden and G. Fox) exosuits. Most of the other members of Foxhound have human durability.
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Psycho Mantis is a low level telekinetic that can levitate objects (like himself, tables, and chairs) and mind control people who don't have psi defenses. He's like a very low level Jean Grey (completely devoid of Phoenix, as in a weaker classic Marvel Girl Jean).
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Ok. Was it a surprise attack? The video showed the mech with a laser. How much damage can it do?
No, just a guy on foot with a rocket launcher head on, dodging fire. Took muliple missiles to do so, but it's been pulled off. Multiple times. Teleport + demo packs would do it in fast.
The laser's pretty high damage, but iirc Grey Fox did survive a hit badly wounded.
Rex ultimately is not the toughest threat, merely the largest.
Ok. I thought Psycho Mantis had powers other than telepathy.
He has telekinesis, too, but relatively weak stuff. Throw things at people kind of thing.
This guy still worries me. I'm not saying Weapon X couldn't take him down eventually, but Fox sounds like he's a fairly large problem. It appears he's the most physically capable person on either team.
Yes.
If most of his team are badass normals, it might balance out though.
Other lineup: Ocelot is an incredibly skilled shot with revolvers, good enough to do stuff like ricochet shots, who's also a skilled tactician. Wolf's a really good sniper. Raven can carry a mini-gun but is otherwise just a big guy. Octopus is a shapeshifter but not good in combat, he's practically a non-factor.
The Snakes and Big Boss are just really badass all-around soldiers.
What else does this Psycho Mantis character bring to the table? He is another that might cause problems.
He can mind-control people, but I think just one at a time, and guards against psychics will shut him out.
Limited TK (throw stuff, levitate around), and mind reading.
Originally posted by KingD19
And yeah, he's the best, followed by Raiden, then Big Boss and Solid Snake.Between Raiden and Fox.....I see massive stompage.
Only if we take Raiden when he had the exoskeleton, if we take him before that point he's just another badass norm.
But yea, two cyborg ninja is a bit much.
Considering the opposition that Wolverine and Co. have dealt with previously (Omega Red, Lady Deathstrike & The Reavers, Sentinels, etc), I think that it's not completely out of their realm to contend with Fox and Raiden. Wolverine alone has some pretty out of the ordinary feats, and I'm pretty sure adamantium claws can slice and dice them with ease.
Originally posted by Q99Just wanna point a few things out, Raven isnt just a big guy, he's a class 10 big guy with machine gun, while Snakes and Big Boss are about as ordinary as Batman or Captain America.
Raven can carry a mini-gun but is otherwise just a big guy. Octopus is a shapeshifter but not good in combat, he's practically a non-factor.The Snakes and Big Boss are just really badass all-around soldiers.
I'd say Solid Snake is a mild version of Captain America, but fights more in a Frank Castle manner. He's all about covert ops, firearms, and explosive ordinance. A solid High Street Level character nonetheless, and one of my favorites in video games.
Same can be said of Liquid and Big Boss (and I suppose Solidus as well) as far as attributes, though Solid has more feats to back it up. Liquid was supposed to be superior to Solid though Solid bests him in combat. Mainly due to Solid's experience and skill though.
Originally posted by SamZED
Just wanna point a few things out, Raven isnt just a big guy, he's a class 10 big guy with machine gun, while Snakes and Big Boss are about as ordinary as Batman or Captain America.
True 🙂
Still when it comes down to a physical contest, even class 10, there's very few Weapon Xs I think Raven could take in close. Garrison's a class 20 and the claw brigade (Logan, Laura, Sabertooth) or Deadpool could IMO handle anyone but the cyborg ninja in melee one on one and win.
Maverick's kinetic energy absorption will be hard to deal with by Foxhound too.
Originally posted by KingD19
Dum Dum, you're whining because Weapon X has one useless/featless member in Silver Fox and they're missing several people? She's still part of Weapon X and I think she has claws, so that counts for something. .
This is all she did, have sex with wolverine, live in cabin, get raped by sabre-tooth, wolverine finds her dead on ground. She pushes a button that open a door once to perhaps help wolverine.
it debatable she even existed. she may have been a memory implant.
Silver Fox did more than that, like defect to Hydra for awhile.
Mostly she seems to be a gun user and probably the least dangerous on the team. John Wraith would've been more useful.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
can someone tell me a class 10 feat of Raven? I honestly can't remember any.
Maybe carrying around that gun so easily?
Weapon X has some good advantages. Deadpool's teleportation is a game changer as he can move in and set off explosives before FOXHOUND realizes what is going on, and most of the weaponry that FOXHOUND uses won't immediately kill, or possibly even effect, half of Weapon X's roster. It's actually more dangerous to their own teammates than it is to their opponents (assuming that the MG Rex is used to launch large volleys of missiles).
Mobility and stealth is Weapon X's greatest strength verse the MGS Crew. FOXHOUND has them outgunned by volume of arsenal, but not necessarily in effectiveness. Deadpool could teleport himself and Wolverine onto the MG Rex and disable it or co-opt it for their use and turn the tables on FOXHOUND. In the jungles or in a battle ravaged city scenario, the use of cover coupled with Sabretooth, Wolverine, and X-23's tracking powers would give them a distinct advantage in setting ambushes. Plus you have Agent Zero with his adamantium bullets and anti metal sniper rounds, Deadpool and Fantomex's arsenals, etc.
Lots of factors to consider for Weapon X beyond the obvious disadvantage in numbers and guns. 3/8's of Weapon X's roster are regenerating superhuman killing machines.
The gun itself is only about 250lbs, but combined with the ammo drum and power supply, it weighs somewhere between 1-2 tons, maybe 3. He was walking around, firing it off without even being affected by the recoil. Not Class 10 I know, but it's still pretty impressive.
Oh, and he was inside that tank that Snake blew up with frags....he wasn't hurt at all.
I don't deny that Adamantium could damage the Radome and the exoskeleton of Rex(Which is highly reinforced)....but Wolverine doesn't have enough power behind his claws to do it. It took Fox tossing his HFS(High Frequency Sword) with all his might, then blasting it with a high powered laser for several minutes.
Oh, and does DP even use his teleporter anymore?
And is this Raiden with or without his ninja suit?
I say if Raiden doesn't have his suit, add Olga with hers.....she wasn't as powerful as Raiden or Fox, but she's still a cyborg ninja.
Originally posted by KingD19
The gun itself is only about 250lbs, but combined with the ammo drum and power supply, it weighs somewhere between 1-2 tons, maybe 3. He was walking around, firing it off without even being affected by the recoil. Not Class 10 I know, but it's still pretty impressive.
Originally posted by KingD19Good durability feat I had the Tank situation in mind but no feat including it.
Oh, and he was inside that tank that Snake blew up with frags....he wasn't hurt at all.