Hal Jordan Vs Black Adam

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by h1a8
No. I caught you in a swindle. You said 90s when it was 1990. I called you on it so that others here don't fall for your tricks.
Stop being dumb. The first thing I told you was that Hulk busted the asteroid in June 1990. That is part of the 1990s. The crystal sheen cum-worthy era of feats that cannot be questioned. Until you reversed yourself.
Originally posted by h1a8
The feat is PIS, no other quantifiable feat compares. It is far out of Hulk's range to do that. Hulk would need to get very very angry (something that will take both a mighty long time and much stimulus to do).
Holding a planet together. Read comics.
Originally posted by h1a8
I don't care if 1990 is technically the 90s, that's not the point. The point is that you used vague language as to give the impression that it occured much later than 1990. You could have said "happened in 1990" but you chose to say "happened in the 90s". Your words are sound but the principle of which you speak isn't.
Actually... it was the point. I'm sorry that the point backfired in your face horribly. My fault, after all, right? Nowhere did I suggest that it happened "much later" in the 1990s. The first thing I said was that it happened in June 1990. Stop projecting your flimsy accusations.
Originally posted by h1a8
The feat is PIS, I have always argue that from a new member here. Nothing new.

The point is still if we can use Hulk's old feats then we can use GL old ones too.

And all old GL feats are PIS. Obviously. So don't use any of them.

By your standards, a Hulk feat from 1990 is not an old feat. So either control your butt-hurt and use what you consider PIS to control what feats are usable... or you considerthe time period to control what feats are usable. In either case, you've lost your arguments, because through PIS or through age, GL feats don't matter. Good job busting your own rationale. 👆

Originally posted by h1a8
Because it is PIS. Now you get it.
No, you only now get that by being forced to switch from your arbitrary time period rationale (because it blew up in your face) that you have to try to resort to impressing upon us your notion of PIS. BTW, hint: your notion of PIS is dubious, because it is only Marvel characters that you think are subject to PIS.
Originally posted by h1a8
I usually only support GL manipulating time nothing more. But I'll look into the other feats as well.
Case in point.
Originally posted by h1a8
No. Not most but ALL of a character's best feat (with exception to Heralds (not herald level dude)) has been in the 60s-80s with the exception of Hulk's feat in 1990.

Well I'm still right and you wrong.

Except Thor never killed Mangog before 1990. Except Thor never one-shotted Durok w/o Mjolnir before 1990. Except Surfer never created a blackhole with ease before 1990. Except Surfer never evolved an entire planet billions of years in moments before 1990. Except Hulk never beat Thor so badly before 1990. Except Hulk never took a 100 trillion ton punch without much effort before 1990s. Except Hulk never tore half his head off and healed before the 1990s. Except Hulk never instantly adapted to the vacuum of space before the 1990s. Except Hulk never broke Manhattan Isle with a footstep WHILE HOLDING BACK before 1990s. Except Hulk never beat Black Bolt before the 1990s. Except Hulk never busted an object twice the size of Earth before the 1990s.

Be happy in your delusion.

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If Hal used brute force attacks, Adam should rip through his constructs and go through him. So basically, if he fights like he usually does in comics, he's screwed.

Not sure what kinds of exotic attacks he can use against Adam that would stop him, besides the possible mind zap (I admit that's not enough to win a majority, given it's rarity....)

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Smh at arguing that 1990 and "the 90s" are completely different things.

Naija boy Senior Member
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Smh at arguing that 1990 and "the 90s" are completely different things.

that one was just baffling.....

Juntai Divine Vengeance

Sorry dude, the burden of proof is on you, as it ever was. We saw Superman learn the ability to establish a mental link and create projections. Suggesting it's an entirely new ability, and the old ones are gone is something you need to back up on panel.

I don't have to prove he learned them. You and I, and everyone reading already know where he learned it.

Originally posted by Juntai

It's not extrapolation to see him learn an ability, and then use the ability, and suggest it's the same.

What is extrapolation however, is suggesting he lost the abilities, then gained a new one that is astonishingly similar, without a shred of evidence of either one.

I know you've been trying, like with the Camelot Falls mention, but that failed horribly. You'd tried pitifully to go off on tangents of course, "Well how did he learn to maintain mental focus against Despero?", to distract from the main point.

We saw Superman learn to create mental projections on panel. There is no need to assume he learned one somewhere else[off panel] while forgetting his other arts. It's on you to prove this view regardless of how much you run around it. And you've done nothing of the sort, or even close, for several pages now.

I suppose I should just take it as a concession and move along, but I'm interested, and despite our butting heads semi-frequently[as most powerful personalities will], I do respect your opinions most of the time.

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Smh at arguing that 1990 and "the 90s" are completely different things.
😆

but what did they call the 1890s or 1790s era?

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
😆

but what did they call the 1890s or 1790s era?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nineties

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by Juntai
Sorry dude, the burden of proof is on you, as it ever was. We saw Superman learn the ability to establish a mental link and create projections. Suggesting it's an entirely new ability, and the old ones are gone is something you need to back up on panel.

I don't have to prove he learned them. You and I, and everyone reading already know where he learned it.

I'm not going to play the burden of proof game with you. It's not my fault you don't understand that you're arguing Superman could not have forgotten the Torquasm arts and that Superman could not have picked up the techniques elsewhere. I just showed you an instance where Superman inexplicably forgets he has these Torquasm arts and he ended up picking up nearly identical techniques from elsewhere.

Yeah. Probably from J'onn. Same way Batman picked up throught projection from J'onn. Nowhere did it state in that scene from Identity Crisis that he was using J'onn's teachings. It was just the most likely explanation. As it is here.

Originally posted by Juntai
I know you've been trying, like with the Camelot Falls mention, but that failed horribly. You'd tried pitifully to go off on tangents of course, "Well how did he learn to maintain mental focus against Despero?", to distract from the main point.
The main point is, Superman had a situation that called for something like Torquasm Rao. He didn't use it. Apparently forgot it. Learned something identical (with the exception of entering the Theta State). Used that instead. This goes directly to the whole idea of what's more probable with the OMAC scene. It was thought projection. Generic telepathy. Nothing more. You see it in the later issue, all Superman is doing is communicating with him mentally.
Originally posted by Juntai
We saw Superman learn to create mental projections on panel. There is no need to assume he learned one somewhere else[off panel] while forgetting his other arts. It's on you to prove this view regardless of how much you run around it. And you've done nothing of the sort, or even close, for several pages now.

I suppose I should just take it as a concession and move along, but I'm interested, and despite our butting heads semi-frequently[as most powerful personalities will], I do respect your opinions most of the time.

We saw Superman inexplicably forget Torquasm arts on-panel and pick up other techniques. It's on you to prove that Superman couldn't have used something else other than Torquasm Vo in the scene in question. But we both know the burden of proof game places you into a tight corner.

"I suppose I should just take it as a concession and move along, but I'm interested, and despite our butting heads semi-frequently[as most powerful personalities will lolwut?], I do respect your opinions most of the time."

Colossus-Big C Restricted

Originally posted by Omega Vision
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gay_Nineties
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h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Stop being dumb. The first thing I told you was that Hulk busted the asteroid in June 1990. That is part of the 1990s. The crystal sheen cum-worthy era of feats that cannot be questioned. Until you reversed yourself. Holding a planet together. Read comics. Actually... it was the point. I'm sorry that the point backfired in your face horribly. My fault, after all, right? Nowhere did I suggest that it happened "much later" in the 1990s. The first thing I said was that it happened in June 1990. Stop projecting your flimsy accusations. And all old GL feats are PIS. Obviously. So don't use any of them.
U still used 90s for those who didn't read your previous posts. Holding a planet together is NOTHING compared to the asteroid feat.

By your standards, a Hulk feat from 1990 is not an old feat. So either control your butt-hurt and use what you consider PIS to control what feats are usable... or you considerthe time period to control what feats are usable.
I do control feats with PIS. But the time period is not for me to control. I'm for using old feats if they can be used for all people.

In either case, you've lost your arguments, because through PIS or through age, GL feats don't matter. Good job busting your own rationale. 👆 No, you only now get that by being forced to switch from your arbitrary time period rationale (because it blew up in your face) that you have to try to resort to impressing upon us your notion of PIS.
Doesn't matter as my point still stands. And that is we all can use canon old feats or we can't. You can't say you can use Marvel old feats and I can't with the GL when Marvel feats are crazier.


BTW, hint: your notion of PIS is dubious, because it is only Marvel characters that you think are subject to PIS. Case in point. Except Thor never killed Mangog before 1990. Except Thor never one-shotted Durok w/o Mjolnir before 1990. Except Surfer never created a blackhole with ease before 1990. Except Surfer never evolved an entire planet billions of years in moments before 1990. Except Hulk never beat Thor so badly before 1990. Except Hulk never took a 100 trillion ton punch without much effort before 1990s. Except Hulk never tore half his head off and healed before the 1990s. Except Hulk never instantly adapted to the vacuum of space before the 1990s. Except Hulk never broke Manhattan Isle with a footstep WHILE HOLDING BACK before 1990s. Except Hulk never beat Black Bolt before the 1990s. Except Hulk never busted an object twice the size of Earth before the 1990s.
This doesn't address MY point (it addresses yours). My point is that many marvel character's BEST feats lie back in the day, from 1990 and before.
Who cares about average high feats, which is what you are talking about here. None of the feats you named for Hulk and Thor can hold a candle to their BEST feats before or at 1990.

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Smh at arguing that 1990 and "the 90s" are completely different things.
They are not different. The point was about him using the words "happened in the 90s" rather than "happened in 1990." He is politically correct but his choice of words are vague and gives a new reader the idea that it happened far after 1990.

This is like all con artist debaters here using the wording "was shown to do it multiple times" when in actuality the character was only shown to do it twice. The con artist is not wrong in the literal sense but they give the impression that it happened many many times when it really didn't. This is how one can slickly sell their argument. I speak the clear truth and don't need to use vague language to try to convince others more quicker by using con artist language.

psycho gundam The Nightmare of Solomon

Originally posted by h1a8
They are not different. The point was about him using the words "happened in the 90s" rather than "happened in 1990." He is politically correct but his choice of words are vague and gives a new reader the idea that it happened far after 1990.

This is like all con artist debaters here using the wording "was shown to do it multiple times" when in actuality the character was only shown to do it twice. The con artist is not wrong in the literal sense but they give the impression that it happened many many times when it really didn't. This is how one can slickly sell their argument. I speak the clear truth and don't need to use vague language to try to convince others more quicker by using con artist language.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by h1a8
U still used 90s for those who didn't read your previous posts. Holding a planet together is NOTHING compared to the asteroid feat.

I do control feats with PIS. But the time period is not for me to control. I'm for using old feats if they can be used for all people.

You're the one who pigeonholed the conversation with the 1990s. I'm done apologizing for your retardedly arbitrary standard blowing up in your face. You can project whatever nefarious schemes onto me, or illiteracy onto others, as much as you want. At this point, it says more about your own butt-hurt than anything.

Time period means crap according to you. We already went over this. In any case, you've already banished all PC Green Lantern feats from consideration with your arguments. Good job.

Originally posted by h1a8
Doesn't matter as my point still stands. And that is we all can use canon old feats or we can't. You can't say you can use Marvel old feats and I can't with the GL when Marvel feats are crazier.

This doesn't address MY point (it addresses yours). My point is that many marvel character's BEST feats lie back in the day, from 1990 and before.
Who cares about average high feats, which is what you are talking about here. None of the feats you named for Hulk and Thor can hold a candle to their BEST feats before or at 1990.

Old Marvel feats are not crazier. I know flinging stupid at me in the way that a monkey flings turds at people is your weapon of choice now, but the stupid has got to your head. You've already concluded you can't use PC Green Lantern feats since they're PIS. I'm sure that's exactly what you intended to do when you entered this conversation. Congratulations. Give yourself a pat on the back. Or a palm to the face. Both are appropriate at this juncture.

Once again, Thor never killed Mangog before 1990. Thor never one-shotted Durok w/o Mjolnir before 1990. Surfer never created a blackhole with ease before 1990. Surfer never evolved an entire planet billions of years in moments before 1990. Hulk never beat Thor so badly before 1990. Hulk never took a 100 trillion ton punch without much effort before 1990s. Hulk never tore half his head off and healed before the 1990s. Hulk never instantly adapted to the vacuum of space before the 1990s. Hulk never broke Manhattan Isle with a footstep WHILE HOLDING BACK before 1990s. Hulk never beat Black Bolt before the 1990s. Hulk never busted an object twice the size of Earth before the 1990s.

Sorry, but moving the goalposts from before 1990 to before 1991 isn't making your arguments any better. It just demonstrates your uncontrollable urge to magnify your own butt-hurt.

OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by h1a8
Almost every fan of a Marvel character here has used a pre 1990 feat for their character. From Hulk destroying the asteroid
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Hulk destroying the asteroid twice the size of Earth was in Marvel Comics Presents #52. Published June 1990.
Con-artistry at it's best, amirite? kinda

h1a8 Senior Member

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

Time period means crap according to you. We already went over this. In any case, you've already banished all PC Green Lantern feats from consideration with your arguments. Good job.

No I didn't. I didn't banish the time manipulating ones.

Old Marvel feats are not crazier. I know flinging stupid at me in the way that a monkey flings turds at people is your weapon of choice now, but the stupid has got to your head. You've already concluded you can't use PC Green Lantern feats since they're PIS. I'm sure that's exactly what you intended to do when you entered this conversation. Congratulations. Give yourself a pat on the back. Or a palm to the face. Both are appropriate at this juncture.
Older Marvel feats are far crazier than newer Marvel feats. I didn't conclude the time manipulating feats were PIS.


Once again, Thor never killed Mangog before 1990. Except Thor never one-shotted Durok w/o Mjolnir before 1990. Except Surfer never created a blackhole with ease before 1990. Except Surfer never evolved an entire planet billions of years in moments before 1990. Except Hulk never beat Thor so badly before 1990. Except Hulk never took a 100 trillion ton punch without much effort before 1990s. Except Hulk never tore half his head off and healed before the 1990s. Except Hulk never instantly adapted to the vacuum of space before the 1990s. Except Hulk never broke Manhattan Isle with a footstep WHILE HOLDING BACK before 1990s. Except Hulk never beat Black Bolt before the 1990s. Except Hulk never busted an object twice the size of Earth before the 1990s.
Those feats are garbage compared to their best feats AT or below 1990. If you can use them then I can use old GL crazy feats (the PIS ones).

Sorry, but moving the goalposts from before 1990 to before 1991 isn't making your arguments any better. It just demonstrates your uncontrollable urge to magnify your own butt-hurt.

Yes it does. It makes my argument literally correct now when it was just principally correct only.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Con-artistry at it's best, amirite? kinda

Still doesn't change the fact that your later choice of words were intended to be slick as hell, especially to the reader who hasn't read all the posts. Coming clean now by showing that you did say 1990 doesn't change the fact you tried to be slick later. I also caught you in a lie too. You said a feat happened in the 90s when it really happened in the 80s.

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OneDumbG0 Find Your Own Fire

Originally posted by h1a8
No I didn't. I didn't banish the time manipulating ones.

Older Marvel feats are far crazier than newer Marvel feats. I didn't conclude the time manipulating feats were PIS.

Which are PIS. Hypocrite.

This is not a double-standard at all.

Originally posted by h1a8
Those feats are garbage compared to their best feats AT or below 1990. If you can use them then I can use old GL crazy feats (the PIS ones).
You have no idea what "moving the goalposts" is in an argument, do you? Also, they're consistent with current portrayals and not PIS. News to you, I know. And using those feats does not justify using PC Lantern feats that are PIS. Your butt-hurt doesn't justify hypocrisy.
Originally posted by h1a8
Yes it does. It makes my argument literally correct now when it was just principally correct only.
You REALLY have no idea what "moving the goalposts" is in an argument, do you?
Originally posted by h1a8
Still doesn't change the fact that your later choice of words were intended to be slick as hell, especially to the reader who hasn't read all the posts. Coming clean now by showing that you did say 1990 doesn't change the fact you tried to be slick later. I also caught you in a lie too. You said a feat happened in the 90s when it really happened in the 80s.
... so I'm supposed to post that quote every single time to make sure that some anonymous poster who innocently read our posts -- except for the ones where I say "1990," (which is nearly every post) -- is prevented from being drawn in to my sinister schemes? This be some stupid sh1t. You have literally turned this entire discussion stupid. I suppose that's your job.

But for what purpose? Because this is the conclusion you drew: you cannot, in fact, use PC Green Lantern feats because they're PIS. You're good at your job. Very good.

Omega Vision Face Flowed Into Her Eyes

You're corrupting the youth ODG with your swindles, hoaxes, scams, and boondoggles.

Quit It. uhuh

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