Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You just said current feats count. And that current feats includes the 90s. Hulk busted an asteroid twice the size of the Earth in 1990. It's not my fault that you set up an arbitrary rule that backfired in your face. ... are you drunk? I didn't choose the 90s, YOU and your cohorts did. I have no idea why 1990 became the magical year in Marvel comics for you all. Stop flinging stupid at me in the hopes that it will stick. And how does a character being weaker in the past... undermine people using older feats when the character is currently more powerful than they were? What the hucking fell? They use crazy feats because it's consistent with the character in that most characters you're thinking of are actually more overall powerful than they were in the past.No sh1t. That's the point. And feats tell you that GLs are nowhere near as powerful as they used to be same way feats tell you that Kal-L was nowhere near as powerful as he used to be.
The principle still remains though. You can nitpick all you want but the principle still remains the same. I don't accept the feat not because it was from 1990 but rather that it is PIS.
No! You don't understand. You said, "happened in the 90s" rather than saying "happened in 1990". You tried to squeeze us like a con artist salesman. Your choice of words betray your secret.
If crazy feats were consistent with a character then the feats wouldn't be crazy at all. Using marvel old crazy feats and saying that we can't use GL old non crazy ones is not only hypocritical but bias and wrong.
Originally posted by h1a8Then by your rationale, you admit that the time period it comes from is meaningless. Good. You walked right into that one splendidly. And Hulk destroying planet-sized objects isn't PIS. He's held a planet together from breaking apart and is consistently portrayed as one of the strongest characters in Marvel, whose strength is on par with beings like Gladiator, Champion, classic Drax, characters who have destroyed planet-sized objects with their fists. Just. Like. Hulk. Did. On. Panel. Get over it.
The principle still remains though. You can nitpick all you want but the principle still remains the same. I don't accept the feat not because it was from 1990 but rather that it is PIS.
Originally posted by h1a81990 is in the 1990s. This isn't a secret, you nunce. And you completely shredded your own arguments on whether time period means anything. Your focus is on PIS... or more appropriately, what you think is PIS but are actually high-end feats consistent with how the character is portrayed... or even more appropriately, feats you wish the characters didn't have because you're butt-hurt (hence the no feats before 1990s allowed!!11).
No! You don't understand. You said, "happened in the 90s" rather than saying "happened in 1990". You tried to squeeze us like a con artist salesman. Your choice of words betray your secret.
Originally posted by h1a8These aren't old feats. And whether they are old or not makes no difference by your own admission. These aren't crazy feats. Because it's consistent with the characters as they are portrayed now, most of whom are currently overall more powerful.
If crazy feats were consistent with a character then the feats wouldn't be crazy at all. Using marvel old crazy feats and saying that we can't use GL old non crazy ones is not only hypocritical but bias and wrong.
In the end, nobody ever argues that Hulk punches Superman with a punch that can shatter a planet twice the size of Earth. Nobody ever argues that Thor cannot be defeated with less than a 1/5th universe-destroying feat. Nobody is using these arguments against you. So what's the problem?
You and other GL fans are the only ones that continue to use these arguments, e.g., "pfft, that blast won't do crap, Kyle held a Big Bang (no, he didn't)," "pfft, Hal will just shrink him like he did Shaggy Man," "pfft, Guy will just reverse time on him," "pfft, John wouldn't be hurt by blackholes, even rookies deal with them easily."
At this point, you're arguing for the sake of arguing. For four pages you've now realized that most of the high-end feats you thought were from the 60s-80s, actually aren't. Accordingly, you've also been cornered into admitting that the time period means nothing. You've also learned that characters like Hulk, Thor and Surfer are currently more overall powerful than they were portrayed back then. You're also learning that these feats are actually consistent with how they're portrayed, hence not PIS.
What you haven't learned yet is that all these imaginary hypocritical arguments you think are being forced upon you, are simply reflections of your own insipid rationale. And they always have been.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Except Superman has used it several times, even used mental projections since after 52.
they're exotic one-time unreliable powers. I treat someone arguing Superman's T-Vo matters as much as someone argues Thor uses super-breath. And the objectionality of it has nothing to do with the time-period.I understand you just fine. Your problem isn't with one-time exotic feats or with feats from the 60s-80s. Your problem is that your favorite characters aren't as powerful as they used to be. One has nothing to do with the other. Stop trying to conflate them.
Originally posted by JuntaiSeveral times in a short period of time. Same as how Thor used superbreath often in a short period of time. Same as how Thor summoned his Belt of Strength several times in a short period of time. Nobody thinks Thor calling for his Belt of Strength is a serious consideration in a hypothetical vs. fight. Also, mental projections =/= T-Vo.
Except Superman has used it several times, even used mental projections since after 52.
Also I think it's dumb Superman can't talk in space. He can hear through space... but he can't talk through space?
Originally posted by BattleMage
Now back to the thread at hand. Black Adam ftw.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0He can depending on who's writing him.
Several times in a short period of time. Same as how Thor used superbreath often in a short period of time. Same as how Thor summoned his Belt of Strength several times in a short period of time. Nobody thinks Thor calling for his Belt of Strength is a serious consideration in a hypothetical vs. fight. Also, mental projections =/= T-Vo.Also I think it's dumb Superman can't talk in space. He can hear through space... but he can't talk through space?
Also, yeah, he used it primarily for the one arc, but still has maintained it since then. As said, OWAW was what, 2001? And he's used his mental abilities since Crisis. Large gap there. He used them or mentioned them a handful of times between those gaps as well.
You think his use of projections in that issue are not directly related to him learning how to create projections with Tvo and TRao years earlier? lol. Man up.
Originally posted by JuntaiEditorial isn't going to let T-Vo make a return appearaance. It was dumb. "Torqasm-Vo"? Seriously?
He can depending on who's writing him.Also, yeah, he used it primarily for the one arc, but still has maintained it since then. As said, OWAW was what, 2001? And he's used his mental abilities since Crisis. Large gap there. He used them or mentioned them a handful of times between those gaps as well.
You think his use of projections in that issue are not directly related to him learning how to create projections with Tvo and TRao years earlier? lol. Man up.
Mental abilities =/= T-Vo. Thor's teleported sh1t hundreds of times. That doesn't lend credence to him teleporting in his Belt of Strength in a fight.
No. Not at all. We both know what T-Vo really was and how far it extended. Mental projection communication <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< T-Vo. Don't fool yourself.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Of course T-Vo expands farther than a simple projection. However, Superman has never displayed an ability to make mental projections otherwise, ones that even perform physical tasks, like he could through the use of Torqasm Vo and in that Omac issue. You're making a fool of yourself here, not I, when we saw Superman learn the ability to do this on panel, and then using it again years later, and suggesting it's a whole new power he attained whilst losing the abilities of the former. Attempt to talk yourself around it all you want, but that's what you're suggesting here.
Editorial isn't going to let T-Vo make a return appearaance. It was dumb. "Torqasm-Vo"? Seriously?Mental abilities =/= T-Vo. Thor's teleported sh1t hundreds of times. That doesn't lend credence to him teleporting in his Belt of Strength in a fight.
No. Not at all. We both know what T-Vo really was and how far it extended. Mental projection communication <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< T-Vo. Don't fool yourself.
I suppose that's like Editorial never letting them mention Hypertime again, huh? 😉
Originally posted by JuntaiHis communication via mental projection has nothing to do with T-Vo. Srsly. Don't get too excited about Superman pulling another power out of his butt.
Of course T-Vo expands farther than a simple projection. However, Superman has never displayed an ability to make mental projections otherwise, ones that even perform physical tasks, like he could through the use of Torqasm Vo and in that Omac issue. You're making a fool of yourself here, not I, when we saw Superman learn the ability to do this on panel, and then using it again years later, and suggesting it's a whole new power he attained whilst losing the abilities of the former.
Originally posted by JuntaiHypertime is not stupid. T-Vo was stupid.
I suppose that's like Editorial never letting them mention Hypertime again, huh?
Originally posted by OneDumbG0You've already dug a hole here.
His communication via mental projection has nothing to do with T-Vo. Srsly. Don't get too excited about Superman pulling another power out of his butt. Hypertime is not stupid. T-Vo was stupid.
Just to clarify to you how bad it sounds one more time...
.. . what you're saying is that Superman lost the ability to perform Torqasm Vo, that let him, among other things, create mental projections that could perform even physical tasks.[Although he never lost this ability in an issue. It's a phantom editorial mandate.]
And then when we see him perform this exact thing again, that we saw him learn on panel, it's a completely new power to him?
^ Communication via mental projection =/= T-Vo.
I don't know what hole you think has been dug here.
I understand you're excited over this. But srsly. You're reaching.
This is comparable to suggesting that when Thor transmuted his costume's elements right after Blood and Thunder, that is support for him shrinking Hyperion down and casting him into a glass ball. Gimme a break.
^ I can see/agree with Superman using mental projections to communicate with people. That doesn't mean T-Vo is making a comeback. Don't get your hopes up.
Originally posted by JuntaiThor sure could have used his Belt of Strength in many a situation. Apparently, he's forgotten about it. Which is actually more on-point concerning this right now than you'd think.
It's not akin to Thor teleporting in a belt of strength, it'd be like saying Thor can't teleport things at all, and then suggesting it's a new power every time he does it, and that he forgot how once it was over.
lol.Saying what may or may not be Out of Character however, is a different story.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0This isn't something I'm newly excited about, I was the one that pointed it out on this site to begin with. Someone else just got the scans for me, a long time ago.
^ Communication via mental projection =/= T-Vo.I don't know what hole you think has been dug here.
I understand you're excited over this. But srsly. You're reaching.
This is comparable to suggesting that when Thor transmuted his costume's elements right after Blood and Thunder, that is support for him shrinking Hyperion down and casting him into a glass ball. Gimme a break.
No, it's quite clear.
We saw Superman learn how to create physical projections with his mind. It's part of a discipline called Torqasm Vo. To suggest that the next time he performs the same thing, is a completely separate ability he picked up while we weren't paying attention[while losing the abilities of the former] is just well . .. dumb . .g0. [See what I did there? 😄]
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Of course you can. We saw him learn how to do it on panel. 🙂
^ I can see/agree with Superman using mental projections
I'm not suggesting he's going to start using it and whipping everyone's ass again, but to suggest he doesn't have it, when we see him using it on panel, isn't a good argument.
^ He has the ability to communicate via mental projections. So what?
Torquasm-Vo doesn't gain any credence because of this. If you're not going to use Torquasm-Vo in an argument, then what was the point of mentioning it? Don't mention the two things in the same breath if there's no point.
Originally posted by JuntaiYou're doubting Superman picking up new abilities spontaneously?
This isn't something I'm newly excited about, I was the one that pointed it out on this site to begin with. Someone else just got the scans for me, a long time ago.No, it's quite clear.
We saw Superman learn how to create physical projections with his mind. It's part of a discipline called Torqasm Vo. To suggest that the next time he performs the same thing, is a completely separate ability he picked up while we weren't paying attention[while losing the abilities of the former] is just well . .. dumb . .g0. [See what I did there? 😄]
I fail to see how communicating via mental projections is necessarily connected to Superman learning Torquasm-Vo. That's like suggesting that when Superman is focusing on breaking mental control, it's necessarily connected to Superman learning Torquasm Rao.
Give me a break.