Hal Jordan Vs Black Adam

1. Adam. no contest. Hal's constructs couldn't contain the Kryptonian criminals from the PC Phantom Zone story, and most of them were a good deal beneath Superman. (He was practically one shotting most of them)

And PC Superman himself easily defeated a villian using Hal's ring, then called his ring a "trinket".

When Adam and Superman fought, Superman claimed he wasn't even certain he could defeat Adam, and this was outside of Earth S, where he's weakened. He shouldn't have any more trouble with GL then Superman or any other Kryptonian would...

2. Edges more towards Hal. Well made GL constructs aren't so easily destroyed by Superman or characters on Supermans level anymore, and there's exotic powers like being able to warp time, or manipulate the mind.. (In fact, a incarnation of Hal Jordan as a child in The Last Will and Testiment of Hal Jordan" mind screwed Superman with Hal's ring, which is a tactic Hal himself developed. No reason this wouldn't work on Adam.)

^ ... why would preying on Superman's fear of Kryptonite work on Black Adam? 😬

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ ... why would preying on Superman's fear of Kryptonite work on Black Adam? 😬

Been awhile since I read the story, but I thought Supes fear of failing to save everyone he loved was used against him.

Even if not, the point is Hal can mind screw Superman, who has a rogues gallery including telepaths like Milton Fine Brainiac, and has several examples of Martian Manhunter commenting on his mental fortitude (Meaning the burden of proof rests on proving Adam has greater mental defenses then Superman does), not that he'd use the same specific fears against Adam.

is bfr on?

Originally posted by cdtm
Been awhile since I read the story, but I thought Supes fear of failing to save everyone he loved was used against him.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Yes. It's been awhile since you read the story.

No need to be snide about it. Especially considering it's a minor lapse. It happens.

The salient point isn't how Hal mindscrew's Adam, but whether he can mindscrew Adam.

^ I'm pretty sure all you can hope to do to Adam's mind is to increase his rage.

Does the Marvel family/Adam need to breath post crisis? I know they didn't particularly need to PC.

Anyone know of any examples?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
^ I'm pretty sure all you can hope to do to Adam's mind is to increase his rage.

He could attempt a mind shutdown. Sinestro did this to an inexperienced Hector Hammond, and the first half of World War III had Martian Manhunter claiming he was allowing Adam the luxury of thought, which enabled Adam to resist him and break free. It's basically PIS MM didn't simply shut his mind down under Ostrander, who wrote the second half of World War III and was more famaliar with MM's capabilities then Champagne in the first half.

And there's the fact Adam had Brainwave Jr. force himself and Billy to say their magic word. By and large, I'm not aware of Adam or Marvel having many feats of mental resistance.

Originally posted by cdtm
1. Adam. no contest. Hal's constructs couldn't contain the Kryptonian criminals from the PC Phantom Zone story, and most of them were a good deal beneath Superman. (He was practically one shotting most of them)

And PC Superman himself easily defeated a villian using Hal's ring, then called his ring a "trinket".

When Adam and Superman fought, Superman claimed he wasn't even certain he could defeat Adam, and this was outside of Earth S, where he's weakened. He shouldn't have any more trouble with GL then Superman or any other Kryptonian would...

2. Edges more towards Hal. Well made GL constructs aren't so easily destroyed by Superman or characters on Supermans level anymore, and there's exotic powers like being able to warp time, or manipulate the mind.. (In fact, a incarnation of Hal Jordan as a child in The Last Will and Testiment of Hal Jordan" mind screwed Superman with Hal's ring, which is a tactic Hal himself developed. No reason this wouldn't work on Adam.)

1. Hal can manipulate and stop time.

^ When he's in a near-death state. Darn useful right thar.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ When he's in a near-death state. Darn useful right thar.

^ Can I has teh scans plz?

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ When he's in a near-death state. Darn useful right thar.

Guy folded over time to bring The Shark back to life, and claimed it's a trick Hal taught him.

^ Pre-Crisis feat. No thanks.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pre-Crisis feat. No thanks.

Technically, it's right on the line, happening during the Crisis event.

Not certain where the line for GL's starts from there and post crisis canon. (For purposes of power levels and feat citing and such..)

For what it's worth, Gardner was instated as a full time GL during that time, and I believe his history wasn't revised into the post crisis, unlike Supermans..

Pre Crisis is valid for Lanterns.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Pre-Crisis feat. No thanks.

We're using both PC and Post Hal and Adam.

Originally posted by OneDumbG0

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