I don't know about this one. Manhattan as far as I'm aware doesn't feel pain and can reform himself at will. He can see through time copy himself and his matter manip is absurd. His power output if he copies doesn't seem to have any limit so I say Dr. for the win just because in Watchmen comic there is nothing that really hurts him or stops him for any length of time. I don't know how effective the surfer or sersi would be.
Originally posted by Uriel005
I don't know about this one. Manhattan as far as I'm aware doesn't feel pain and can reform himself at will. He can see through time copy himself and his matter manip is absurd. His power output if he copies doesn't seem to have any limit so I say Dr. for the win just because in Watchmen comic there is nothing that really hurts him or stops him for any length of time. I don't know how effective the surfer or sersi would be.
Originally posted by Uriel005As far as everyone cuold tell, manhatan couldnt even prevent or win a nuclear war against his universe's USSR. SS could dismantle every nuclear warhead and cripple every machine on the planet with a thought.
I don't know about this one. Manhattan as far as I'm aware doesn't feel pain and can reform himself at will. He can see through time copy himself and his matter manip is absurd. His power output if he copies doesn't seem to have any limit so I say Dr. for the win just because in Watchmen comic there is nothing that really hurts him or stops him for any length of time. I don't know how effective the surfer or sersi would be.
Playing the devil's advocate here.
Doctor Manhattan never said he couldn't stop the nuclear war Ozzymandius did and made Manhattan doubt himself with tachion disruption making him think that he couldn't stop the nukes. Personally I will go with what Manhattan himself says of his abilities and what I have seen.
1) Self replication
2) matter manipulation at will
3) Cannot feel pain/cannot be knocked out even when reduced to his component atoms and other than being atomized has never been hurt as Dr. Manhattan.
4)Can see through his personal time and even with tachions blocking this it doesn't stop any of his other abilities.
Idk I think that he just doesnt have enough feats to make this a good fight. But because as far as we are aware he is intended to be a near infallible entity and has yet to be stopped, yes he was tricked but even that took a decade of prep time and billions in research. So based on the fact that he has never been beaten and it is unknown if power cosmic effects him in any meaningful way I may have to give it to the Manhattan. Of course I am not discounting Sersi or Surfer by any means but the fact of the matter is that John does not use his powers often or to the extent that he could use them because he only does what he sees himself in time doing and goes along with that so what Dr. Manhattan's power level is I couldn't tell you. This fight is moot unless Dr. Manhattan's power level and feat list is ever flushed out and a limit or something even approaching a challenge is presented to him.
Originally posted by Uriel005The american military did not believe he could stop nuclear holocaust either, their projections have him stopping 40%of russian nuclear warheads and the rest destroying the USA ten times over. There is a text by an analyst within the book saying that manhatan could not win the cold war for the USA if it ever came to it, because the russians had decuplicated their nuclear power since he was presented to the public and would rather burn with the whole world than be subjugated. The story's intention was that he could not do it himself and it was a major point within it: escalation and deflagration can only lead to assured mutual destruction and not even God can save the humans from themselves, if they start nuclear war.
Playing the devil's advocate here.Doctor Manhattan never said he couldn't stop the nuclear war Ozzymandius did and made Manhattan doubt himself with tachion disruption making him think that he couldn't stop the nukes. Personally I will go with what Manhattan himself says of his abilities and what I have seen.
1) Self replication
2) matter manipulation at will
3) Cannot feel pain/cannot be knocked out even when reduced to his component atoms and other than being atomized has never been hurt as Dr. Manhattan.
4)Can see through his personal time and even with tachions blocking this it doesn't stop any of his other abilities.Idk I think that he just doesnt have enough feats to make this a good fight. But because as far as we are aware he is intended to be a near infallible entity and has yet to be stopped, yes he was tricked but even that took a decade of prep time and billions in research. So based on the fact that he has never been beaten and it is unknown if power cosmic effects him in any meaningful way I may have to give it to the Manhattan. Of course I am not discounting Sersi or Surfer by any means but the fact of the matter is that John does not use his powers often or to the extent that he could use them because he only does what he sees himself in time doing and goes along with that so what Dr. Manhattan's power level is I couldn't tell you. This fight is moot unless Dr. Manhattan's power level and feat list is ever flushed out and a limit or something even approaching a challenge is presented to him.
He defeated the vietcong in a week was it? SS would solo the world's armies in an hour.
There isn't a single feat manhatan has acomplished that SS couldn't or hasn't replicated. Including seeing the future, although SS must focus to do it.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
Apoc has complete control over himself. Surfer wouldn't have any luck transmuting him. And he wouldn't even think about doing that if they were to fight.
0.000 seconds: Fight Starts.
0.010 seconds: Surfer KOs Apocalypse.
0.011 seconds: Surfer xmutes Apocalypse into a table.
1.500 seconds: Surfer invites Sersi on top of the Apocatable for some tabeltop lovin.
Originally posted by TheTyrantSo this would pin apocalypse's control over himself against SS's control over matter and the strongest would succeed. My money is on the SS.
Apoc has complete control over himself. Surfer wouldn't have any luck transmuting him. And he wouldn't even think about doing that if they were to fight.
Originally posted by Uriel005Manhatten never thought he couldn't stop the nukes.But because the tachyons were blocking him and he said that tachyons traveled back in time after nukes are blown then he concluded that nuclear warfare had happened.
Playing the devil's advocate here.Doctor Manhattan never said he couldn't stop the nuclear war Ozzymandius did and made Manhattan doubt himself with tachion disruption making him think that he couldn't stop the nukes. Personally I will go with what Manhattan himself says of his abilities and what I have seen.
1) Self replication
2) matter manipulation at will
3) Cannot feel pain/cannot be knocked out even when reduced to his component atoms and other than being atomized has never been hurt as Dr. Manhattan.
4)Can see through his personal time and even with tachions blocking this it doesn't stop any of his other abilities.Idk I think that he just doesnt have enough feats to make this a good fight. But because as far as we are aware he is intended to be a near infallible entity and has yet to be stopped, yes he was tricked but even that took a decade of prep time and billions in research. So based on the fact that he has never been beaten and it is unknown if power cosmic effects him in any meaningful way I may have to give it to the Manhattan. Of course I am not discounting Sersi or Surfer by any means but the fact of the matter is that John does not use his powers often or to the extent that he could use them because he only does what he sees himself in time doing and goes along with that so what Dr. Manhattan's power level is I couldn't tell you. This fight is moot unless Dr. Manhattan's power level and feat list is ever flushed out and a limit or something even approaching a challenge is presented to him.
BBZ, Manhatten never demonstrated power or scope to even begin to challenge Surfer. Manhatten took ages to try and develop an energy source for Earth, that could replace existing ones. Surfer could create that with but a thought (indeed, if he wanted he could give everyone the Power Cosmic).
If you put "God Cable" in the Watchmen universe, he'd be able to replicate all of the matter manipulation feats of DM, imo.
Originally posted by Black bolt zManhattan never says shit about it one way or the other, but the world at large does and it's clearly the story's point that he can't stop it.
Manhatten never thought he couldn't stop the nukes.But because the tachyons were blocking him and he said that tachyons traveled back in time after nukes are blown then he concluded that nuclear warfare had happened.