Sersi Vs Dr Manhatten Vs Silver Surfer

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Jon is the only character in the Watchmen series to explicitly possess superhuman abilities (although the details of the plot presuppose the existence of genuine human psychics). Throughout Watchmen, he is shown to be immensely powerful and seemingly invulnerable to all harm; even when his body is disintegrated, he can reconstruct it from atoms (in less than a minute the second time this happened). Jon has complete awareness of and control over atomic and subatomic particles. He can alter his body's size, coloration, density, and strength. He does not age or need food, water, or air, and is, for all intents and purposes, immortal. He can teleport himself and others over great (even interplanetary and perhaps intergalactic) distances.

Jon's near-limitless powers are further amplified in comparison to the apparent lack of any other "super-powered" individuals. Although Veidt is obviously the second-most dangerous character in the series, as Jon himself observes, "...the world's smartest man means no more to me than its smartest termite."

In addition to these powers, Jon is able to phase any part of his body through solid objects without damaging them, produce multiple copies of himself which function independently of each other, project destructive energy, disintegrate people (possibly by removing their intrinsic fields) create force fields, transmute and create matter, move objects without physically touching them (telekinesis), reverse entropy, and, he suggests, create life and walk on the surface of the sun. At one point it is stated that, in the event of a nuclear war, he would be capable of destroying upwards of 99% of all Soviet nuclear missiles while at the same time 'destroying' large areas of Russia. As a result of these capabilities, Jon becomes central to the United States' Cold War strategy of deterrence.

Due to his non-linear perception of time, he sees the past, present and future simultaneously.

SS would rape Manhatten all day!

Originally posted by Uriel005
My point in all this is that there is no power comparison for Dr.Manhattan. Supervillains don't exist and he never had any cause to test the limits of his power beyond the needs of a conventional army. For all we know he could have a trillion other powers that remain unknown. Any fight with Manhattan with anyone Herald level and up is moot because he has no comparison to know how he would do against them. Also for people arguing that he can see the future and that he would know all future powers. He would never need them and therefore would never think to look into them so unless some future event forced him to explore the limits of his power he would never know.

But anyone below Herald level gets taken out quick because his CIS when it comes to killing is nonexistant. You do something evil and he blasts you into gory bits.

Take Manhattan out of this fight there just isn't enough info on him to know how he would deal with someone on surfer or sersi level.

Manhatan never looked into the future he experienced all moments of his own timeline simultaneously and he can't change the outcome of shit. We know he has an upper limit as indicated by his inabilty to stop nuclear holocaust, something far below the SS's power levels, who has disabled and fixed fleets of starships with billions of people on board with a thought.

Originally posted by h1a8
SS can't beat Manhattan. But Manhattan can beat him.

Doesn't matter who feats are greater. It's all about who will win and why.


pffft
Let's see, SS can attack him through the astral plane and wreck his mind/soul, so his consciousness can't reform his body after SS reproduces Veidt's tachyon field effecs with his pinky toe. He can displace Manhatan through the timestream leaving him BFRed 7 billion years after the sun has died and can dump him into other dimensions where his powers are rendered useless by the local physical laws.

Or he can open a black hole an see what that does to manhatan as he never showed power on that scale.

Manhatan was working on a new endless energy source was he? SS could think something like that into existence.

Originally posted by D_Dude1210
-Draining his energy
-Pulling him into the ethereal plane
-Trapping him in his board

Soooo.... how EXACTLY is Manhattan gonna beat the Surfer? :-/

1. He can't drain Manhattan's energy. Manhattan can regenerate from nothing. Manhattan can drain him is more believable.

2. He can't pull him into an ethereal plane. What are you even talking about?

3. He can't trap him in his board. This is total nonsense.

Manhattan can beat Surfer a variety of ways. One way he can duplicate himself a millions times over into 2000 ft versions of himself and one shot him.

Dr Manhattan threads should be banned because they always degenerate to the same tiresome debates.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dr Manhattan threads should be banned because they always degenerate to the same tiresome debates.

agreed

if this is going to get locked then just make this surfer vs sersi with the two scenereos

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
if this is going to get locked then just make this surfer vs sersi with the two scenereos

Who said it would get locked? I just don't think DM should be used in threads.

Originally posted by h1a8
1. He can't drain Manhattan's energy. Manhattan can regenerate from nothing. Manhattan can drain him is more believable.

2. He can't pull him into an ethereal plane. What are you even talking about?

3. He can't trap him in his board. This is total nonsense.

Manhattan can beat Surfer a variety of ways. One way he can duplicate himself a millions times over into 2000 ft versions of himself and one shot him.

Manhatan draining the SS? lol

Making copies and oneshotting him? lulz

And yes he can trap high end energy manipulators in his board, he has done it on panel.

You've ignored astral form attacks and BFR to other dimensions, distant points in the timestreasm and or in space.

Originally posted by 753
pffft
Let's see, SS can attack him through the astral plane and wreck his mind/soul, so his consciousness can't reform his body after SS reproduces Veidt's tachyon field effecs with his pinky toe. He can displace Manhatan through the timestream leaving him BFRed 7 billion years after the sun has died and can dump him into other dimensions where his powers are rendered useless by the local physical laws.

Or he can open a black hole an see what that does to manhatan as he never showed power on that scale.

Manhatan was working on a new endless energy source was he? SS could think something like that into existence.

Explain why he can't reform?He reformed form nothing.

Teleport away?

No he can't.

I still think surfer would beat manhattan in a fight but he doesn't get enough credit.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Dr Manhattan threads should be banned because they always degenerate to the same tiresome debates.
This.

There should be an expantion or a follow up series or something.Or even give manhattan his own series.Or even just a crossover.We need more DM feats.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
Explain why he can't reform?He reformed form nothing.

Teleport away?

No he can't.

I still think surfer would beat manhattan in a fight but he doesn't get enough credit. This.

There should be an expantion or a follow up series or something.Or even give manhattan his own series.Or even just a crossover.We need more DM feats.

His mind survives the destruction of his body, if his mind/soul is wrecked, this should compromise his reforming.

SS has already BFRed people through time and casually visits other crosses dimensions.

Originally posted by 753
His mind survives the destruction of his body, if his mind/soul is wrecked, this should compromise his reforming.

SS has already BFRed people through time and casually visits other crosses dimensions.

He mind (brain) has been destroyed before so explain how doing it now will do anything.

He lives everything in his own life simultaneously.Time BFR won't work.

Originally posted by Black bolt z
He mind (brain) has been destroyed before so explain how doing it now will do anything.

He lives everything in his own life simultaneously.Time BFR won't work.

His mind can obviously survive independantly of his brain. He retained his memories and personality after reforming both times. IIRC he consciently experienced what was happening to him to him as he was desintegrated adn reformed atom by atom the first time.

No, he experiences all the events in his lifetime simultaneously, this has nothing to do with time travel. SS can take him to the future and leave him stranded there, he wouldnt be able to make it back to the time period of the fight.

Surfer wins and easily at that

Originally posted by 753
His mind can obviously survive independantly of his brain. He retained his memories and personality after reforming both times. IIRC he consciently experienced what was happening to him to him as he was desintegrated adn reformed atom by atom the first time.

No, he experiences all the events in his lifetime simultaneously, this has nothing to do with time travel. SS can take him to the future and leave him stranded there, he wouldnt be able to make it back to the time period of the fight.

Ok...your point?

He will still exist when the fight was happening.And what if manhattan BFRs him?

bfr's SS? Not even possible

Originally posted by iceman24567
bfr's SS? Not even possible
Teleport him to the other side of the universe?

Just so he can teleport back?

Originally posted by iceman24567
Just so he can teleport back?
Since when can surfer teleport 😬?