Originally posted by janus77He would,IMO be able to be a challange but yeah surfer would win easily.I never said otherwise.
BBZ, Manhatten never demonstrated power or scope to even begin to challenge Surfer. Manhatten took ages to try and develop an energy source for Earth, that could replace existing ones. Surfer could create that with but a thought (indeed, if he wanted he could give everyone the Power Cosmic).If you put "God Cable" in the Watchmen universe, he'd be able to replicate all of the matter manipulation feats of DM, imo.
Originally posted by 753This is true.But even surfer might have trouble destroying 54,000 nukes in a few minutes.
Manhattan never says shit about it one way or the other, but the world at large does and it's clearly the story's point that he can't stop it.
Originally posted by 753
The american military did not believe he could stop nuclear holocaust either, their projections have him stopping 40%of russian nuclear warheads and the rest destroying the USA ten times over. There is a text by an analyst within the book saying that manhatan could not win the cold war for the USA if it ever came to it, because the russians had decuplicated their nuclear power since he was presented to the public and would rather burn with the whole world than be subjugated. The story's intention was that he could not do it himself and it was a major point within it: escalation and deflagration can only lead to assured mutual destruction and not even God can save the humans from themselves, if they start nuclear war.He defeated the vietcong in a week was it?
Originally posted by Omega VisionI'll re-read it, but they were nevertheless certain that the USA along with most of the rest of the world would be wiped out and I would trusts their projections as it concerned writer's intent and was voiced by 3 authority sources within the book, the military specialist article, the us military and ozymandias
Actually it was 99% of the Soviet Arsenal, and we have no idea how accurate this estimate was, it might have been over-optimistic or it might have been pessimistic.
Originally posted by MindsetYes thats what i mean.
If by physical force you mean punches, etc.
Originally posted by Omega VisionI believe they state it was either 51-54000
Actually it was 99% of the Soviet Arsenal, and we have no idea how accurate this estimate was, it might have been over-optimistic or it might have been pessimistic.
Originally posted by D_Dude1210
0.000 seconds: Fight Starts.
0.010 seconds: Surfer KOs Apocalypse.
0.011 seconds: Surfer xmutes Apocalypse into a table.
1.500 seconds: Surfer invites Sersi on top of the Apocatable for some tabeltop lovin.
That would never happen because Silver Surfer would never do that. Because of his CIS and the fact that he's never blitzed anyone in 0.010 seconds as powerful as Apocalypse.
totally baseless speculation re: "Celestial Tech". got any proof that it prevents Apocalypse's X-gene from being switched off?
on-panel, Apocalypse calls it Celestial artefacts, and goes onto show that he doesn't really understand it.
switching off the X-gene guarantees a humiliatingly quick win for Surfer. nothing the Celestial artefacts would do about that.
Originally posted by TheTyrant
That would never happen because Silver Surfer would never do that. Because of his CIS and the fact that he's never blitzed anyone in 0.010 seconds as powerful as Apocalypse.
Surfer is a little more ruthless now.
My point in all this is that there is no power comparison for Dr.Manhattan. Supervillains don't exist and he never had any cause to test the limits of his power beyond the needs of a conventional army. For all we know he could have a trillion other powers that remain unknown. Any fight with Manhattan with anyone Herald level and up is moot because he has no comparison to know how he would do against them. Also for people arguing that he can see the future and that he would know all future powers. He would never need them and therefore would never think to look into them so unless some future event forced him to explore the limits of his power he would never know.
But anyone below Herald level gets taken out quick because his CIS when it comes to killing is nonexistant. You do something evil and he blasts you into gory bits.
Take Manhattan out of this fight there just isn't enough info on him to know how he would deal with someone on surfer or sersi level.
The fact that Manhatten see in the future doesn't help him at all, since he can change the future. It's told numerous times in the comic.
Also, what Manhatten can do, Surfer did it better, and did other things that Manhatten never came close to do.
Also, on one hand, Manhatten is said to not be able to save USA from an attack of Russia, while Surfer have feats suggesting that he have the capabilities to pwn pretty much every contries easely that doesn't count Reed Richards or Doctor Doom in it.
The only one reasons why Surfer doesn't seems as powerful as Manhatten is that Manhatten doesn't have Thor in his universe, he doesn't have Hulk, he doesn't have Doctor Strange, he doesn't have the Marvel family (Genis, Phyla, etc), he doesn't have Quasar, nor Thanos, and most importantly, Manhatten don't have, in his universe, beings like Galactus, the Watchers, the Celestials, ****ing' Death and Eternity, etc.
In Marvel, Manhatten would be a powerful reality warper, maybe on the league of Sersi, but far from the power lvl of someone like the Surfer.
Originally posted by janus77
totally baseless speculation re: "Celestial Tech". got any proof that it prevents Apocalypse's X-gene from being switched off?on-panel, Apocalypse calls it Celestial artefacts, and goes onto show that he doesn't really understand it.
switching off the X-gene guarantees a humiliatingly quick win for Surfer. nothing the Celestial artefacts would do about that.
of course it would and of course Surfer has blitzed opponents as powerful as Apocalypse (Nova, for example).
Surfer is a little more ruthless now.
I'm not saying that they would prevent it, I'm saying that the celestial tech that's with him is better than the actual powers he had prior to his celestial upgrades.
Nova wasn't blitzed in 1 hundredth of a second.