There are many martial arts styles devoted to turning an apparent disavantage in size or strengh into a tactical advantage that can destroy the opponent (killing people who are stronger than you is the core of most martial arts after all). The problem for CA is that batman has mastered all of them. It's not really BM's stats that give him the win it's his MA
Originally posted by 753if his stats arent giving him the win here are you saying that caps martial arts skill is mentionably lower than bats?
There are many martial arts styles devoted to turning an apparent disavantage in size or strengh into a tactical advantage that can destroy the opponent (killing people who are stronger than you is the core of most martial arts after all). The problem for CA is that batman has mastered all of them. It's not really BM's stats that give him the win it's his MA
Originally posted by marwash22
Bruce's MA skills [b]ARE superior to Caps, but the reason a normal fight between the two would be a split is due to Cap's slight physical advantages. Here, it's a total stomp for Bruce because he has both better MA ability and better physical stats. [/B]
What is Steve's present condition in Avengers Prime? Does this story take place before or after Steve is re-injected with the serum? If not, at normal human levels he took it to a hall of at least 40 - 50 Asgardian Elves with ease.
Just saying.
Originally posted by Lord_Talron
if his stats arent giving him the win here are you saying that caps martial arts skill is mentionably lower than bats?
Yes. But more importantly, they are more than enough to counter CA's own martial arts that could overcome the gap between his non SSS stats and batman's.
Originally posted by 753
Yes. But more importantly, they are more than enough to counter CA's own martial arts that could overcome the gap between his non SSS stats and batman's.
A Wrestler or practitioner of grappling stlyes, will always beat a Kick Boxer, or Muay Thai expert. An expert at Kick Boxing or Muay Thai will always beat a Boxer. The circle goes round and round. A person does not need to know 200 forms of MA (which is impossible to master in a lifetime.) In actuality the more forms a person would know the weaker that the forms would be. 2 - 4 solid forms will take 200 un-mastered ones any day of the week, Krav Maga, and Judo is all a person would technically need to master in order to dominate any Mixed MA tourney in this day and age.
Originally posted by StoicThis is simply not true.
A Wrestler or practitioner of grappling stlyes, will always beat a Kick Boxer, or Muay Thai expert. An expert at Kick Boxing or Muay Thai will always beat a Boxer.
The circle goes round and round. A person does not need to know 200 forms of MA (which is impossible to master in a lifetime.) In actuality the more forms a person would know the weaker that the forms would be. 2 - 4 solid forms will take 200 un-mastered ones any day of the week, Krav Maga, and Judo is all a person would technically need to master in order to dominate any Mixed MA tourney in this day and age. [/B]
1. We're talking about comics and not real life. BM is a master of dozens, maybe hundreds, of styles.
2. I think current MMA fights show otherwise and regardless, whatever single style may float to the top in MMA competitions if one ever does, this means nothing about real life combat. Those fights impose limitations on fighters' behavior that reduce the efficiency of certain styles while increasing that of others.
A master of actually combat oriented arts, be them modern military hybrids like kombato and krav maga or ancient traditions like eagle claw and kali-silat could cripple and kill MMA fighters in seconds without such restritions, it would come down to reaction times and personal competence.
Somebody post the scan of Steve with that doctor with the SSS injection.
Steve was a frail, sickly weakling before being amped by the serum.
It's clear as day once you see it on-panel.
The toothpick became stronger when the serum heightened his stats.
It also heightened his mental faculties, thus he quickly learned different MA.
Originally posted by 753
This is simply not true.
I don't see why it is not, the point of grappling styles are used to pin an opponent and remove the opponents ability to effectively strike. Krav Maga or other striking forms are used more effectively when standing, when combined with more grappling oriented styles, one would develop a truly devastating and fluid form.
Of course these are comics and not real life, but still BM knowing more than a dozen is pushing it into the realms of stupidity. Besides MA is an invention, and as inventions go, the more that they evolve, the better they become. Shyt blow darts is a form of MA it's not like it will do you any good from up close right? My meaning is that not all of those supposed MA's that BA knows are practical to use in a fight.
Just saying. I really don't know who would win between the two of them, I'll just keep reading the responses. Just remember my point of 100 vs 4-5 does not mean a clear cut victory.