Batman (Bruce) vs Steve Rogers (No SSS)

Originally posted by Silent Master
And in SOP when he had the serum removed via blood transfusion, he didn't turn back into a 90lb weakling.

BTW, you guys are still missing the point.
I'll say it again: Steve was a 90 lb weakling before being administered the serum.
It is his original canon origin. I have no idea if it got retconned. But without seeing any proof about the retcon, I will have to side with the on-panel canon origin.

Spite thread. Bruce kills the chump.

Originally posted by marwash22

It's not really a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Bruce is a better fighter than Cap.

Originally posted by marwash22
It's not really a matter of opinion, it's a fact that Bruce is a better fighter than Cap.

considering this a fact it's funny how many people think otherwise

You realize that there was a time when SSS got removed from Rogers and he was still fighting at about the same level... Rogers fights about the same level villains as Batman without any of the nifty gadgets he's got. 1v1 fist fight vs Batman Rogers takes it.

You can compare Steve with the Serum against three steroid thugs and Steve without Serum against two. Just read the recent super soldier mini before assuming he's a chump.

Originally posted by AsbestosFlaygon
Of course he won't.
He has already conditioned his body.
So even though the serum was removed, he still retains his physique and the MA skills that he has already mastered.

BTW, you guys are still missing the point.
I'll say it again: Steve was a 90 lb weakling before being administered the serum.
It is his original canon origin. I have no idea if it got retconned. But without seeing any proof about the retcon, I will have to side with the on-panel canon origin.

Spite thread. Bruce kills the chump.

.... So you are assuming the fight is against Steve Rogers before ever taking the SSS....
Not current Steve Rogers without the SSS?...

Originally posted by Bentley
You can compare Steve with the Serum against three steroid thugs and Steve without Serum against two. Just read the recent super soldier mini before assuming he's a chump.

He does not become a 90lb weakling, the stipulation of the fight is not pre-SSS, it is if it is removed now. It's been removed before and he was still batman level physically.

Rogers is being massively underrated on a hand to hand level here.
His increased mental faculties from the SSS made him more able to adapt and learn than any human and he has literally hundreds of years of combat experience (Korvak Saga).

Even against the likes of Iron Fist who has superior stats to cap, cap has been untouchable (literally). He is marvel earth's no.1 hand to hand fighter.

Meanwhile there are plenty of characters who have equal stats to Batman who we know are better at MA (Shiva, Bronze Tiger, Richard Dragon, Prime David Cain etc) on DC earth.

without the SSS cap would still retain his physical stats he may tire quicker but his skills and physical strength is still there keeping him at peak stats.

Cap still would beat bats in h2h 7/10.

hell, Cap was still fighting at Olympic lvl when his SSS started to deteriorate and he started getting seizures and tiring in mid battle.

here he would suffer no adverse effects or poisoning if the SSS was just removed.

Yeah I'm sold Cap wins this fight.

Cap without the SSS has no advantages over batman and yes batman is a better fighter than Cap.

Batman is basically the best fighter in the DCU because hes smarter than everyone hes fighting.
Batman should take this easily.

it depends on the outcome of his de-powering (whatever the op thinks i guess *shrug*)

- if he just loses his heightened stamina, eyesight, coordination, etc but retains his musculature he maintained throughout the years by extensive workouts and sparring, he'd give batman a good fight. he might win, he might lose, but he might lose more cause of the changes in his body that he's not mentally prepared for.

- if he's reduced to that feeb again, he's phucked

cap was smacking around cross bones without the SS. 😬

here is cap with a deteriorating SS..

deterioration is worse then simply removing the SS

Originally posted by SasuOna
Cap without the SSS has no advantages over batman and yes batman is a better fighter than Cap.

No he isn't.

Originally posted by psycho gundam
it depends on the outcome of his de-powering (whatever the op thinks i guess *shrug*)

- if he just loses his heightened stamina, eyesight, coordination, etc but retains his musculature he maintained throughout the years by extensive workouts and sparring, he'd give batman a good fight. he might win, he might lose, but he might lose more cause of the changes in his body that he's not mentally prepared for.

- if he's reduced to that feeb again, he's phucked

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Batman is basically the best fighter in the DCU because hes smarter than everyone hes fighting. Batman should take this easily.

That has never to my knowledge happened with cap.

Someone mentioned crossbones being beaten by cap without the SSS. Crossbones is underrated cause he loses to Rogers, Crossbones would possibly split with batman straight hand to hand. He's consistantly been better than for example Bane.

I don't think Crossbones would split with Batman in straight h2h, but he can certainly pull some wins. Considering Bucky has defeated him before -Bucky is around Batroc/Crossbones level-, they would lose to Batman most of the time imo.

Bucky was established as a top tier hand to hand fighter incredibly quickly, has a class 10 arm with various tricks and one of the single best weapons in comics.
He's captain america for a reason.

Originally posted by khazra
Bucky was established as a top tier hand to hand fighter incredibly quickly, has a class 10 arm with various tricks and one of the single best weapons in comics.
He's captain america for a reason.

Yeah, but I still think Bruce would beat Barnes more often than not. They are elite, just not evenly matched imo.

Originally posted by Bentley
I don't think Crossbones would split with Batman in straight h2h, but he can certainly pull some wins. Considering Bucky has defeated him before -Bucky is around Batroc/Crossbones level-, they would lose to Batman most of the time imo.

I have to say Brubaker has made Crossbones look quite bad.