Archdemon vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Originally posted by The Scenario
If he's resisting injuries, that means he's durable. I already gave you a better feat than a sword bouncing off him when a castle exploded on him and he was fine. You also seem to be ignoring Ganondorf's ability to ignore fatal wounds and remake his body if it's destroyed.

Quanchi, it's simple commom sense. You make such as big deal about it, so why won't you use it here? We saw Midna attack Ganondorf, while both were in the castle. We saw the castle explode. We saw Ganondorf standing in front of the destroyed castle with Midna's helmet, and midna just gone. It's obvious Ganondorf destroyed the castle, it's obvious Ganondorf was still in the caste, and it's obvious Ganondorf killed Midna.

It's just common sense, isn't it?

Prove the Archdemon's jaws are stronger/better than a sword. I've already told you everything about that scene, and Ganondorf didn't have durability before he was stabbed. Afterwards, he could tank castles.

You should know by now Link is super strong, and Ganondorf is comparable to him. And, of course, Ganondorf broke those chains it would take super strength to break. Can you prove that the Archdemon is strong?

You have never proven anything you've ever claimed. I have presented evidence, why won't you? Why won't you ever try to prove anything? Asking me to prove things while you won't is just being hypocritical, and it's annoying me.

So please, just prove your points. Post evidence. Give me an example. Anything, as long as you stop this ridiculous unbacked opinion making.

What evidence? Prove. Your. Claim.

We don't see what exactly happens to Dorf when the castle falls down. We don't see where he's at or anything so it's speculation.

No, it's obvious he defeated her but what attack either used to bring down the castle is an unknown and based on his attacks in the game he hasn't done anything remotely close to castle destroying power ever so it remains an unknown.

So now a giant powerful dragon that can eat human beings isn't stronger or more powerful than a sword. Do you even realize the power behind a canine's jaw let's say a pit bull and then compare it to a giant dragon and you act as if a human with a sword is more powerful. If this was the case the dragon wouldn't be a big deal now would he ?

Dorf was hurt and killed by far less than a castle and saying anything short of a castle destroying attack cannot hurt him is just fanboyish.

Link's never been super strong ever. Dorf only showed an increased strength when using the power triforce not before or after unless tapping into it.

I honestly don't see those chains even doing anything to the archdemon not do I see Link being any threat at all to him yet he was enough to best Dorf as were the sages who again weren't shown to be very powerful by any means yet both times he was defeated.

Like I said the sages and Link being more than enough to crush Dorf under his boot heel.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I didn't avoid anything he can only resist the injuries when actively using the triforce. He also used it against Link after the damage had been done proving any sword can damage him still it's just not every sword can keep him down in his own game.

Here's the thing: Why can't Ganondorf resist any damage the Archdemon may or may not do? Ganondorf has been shown to not only survive with a sword through his heart, but to survive with an entire body. Archdemon lreally has no way to kill him.

We don't see what exactly happens to Dorf when the castle falls down. We don't see where he's at or anything so it's speculation.

BUt we see that he was inside it moments before the castle exploded. Your "Common sense" would say that he should have still been inside. Assuming that he left before the explosion is just making things up.

No, it's obvious he defeated her but what attack either used to bring down the castle is an unknown and based on his attacks in the game he hasn't done anything remotely close to castle destroying power ever so it remains an unknown.

It likely had to do with the floating head form, since we don't know that one's true power. But, we do know that it could convince Zant that Ganondorf was a god, and the only time he fought in that form, a castle exploded. All Ganondorf has to do is go god form and blow up the Archdemon.

So now a giant powerful dragon that can eat human beings isn't stronger or more powerful than a sword. Do you even realize the power behind a canine's jaw let's say a pit bull and then compare it to a giant dragon and you act as if a human with a sword is more powerful. If this was the case the dragon wouldn't be a big deal now would he ?

Well without the feats, we don't know how strong that is. I watched a video where the Archdemon bit a guy and failed to crush him. Alligators can crush bone, Archdemon apparently can't. And with Ganondorf's durability and twilight forms, Archdemon will never have the chance.

Dorf was hurt and killed by far less than a castle and saying anything short of a castle destroying attack cannot hurt him is just fanboyish.

Show me Ganondorf getting hurt after gaining the Triforce to anything besides the Master Sword which, by the way, is better than an exploding castle. The only thing I can think of is his own magic while in Zelda's body.

Link's never been super strong ever. Dorf only showed an increased strength when using the power triforce not before or after unless tapping into it.

Link's always been super strong forever. Ignoring that doesn't make it go away. Ganondorf showed increased strength when he killed the Sage. The Triforce had stopped glowing by that point, too. So can you explain Ganondorf being able to transform without the Triforce glowing? How about reforming a body without it? The Triforce glows whenever it wants, not when Ganondorf is doing things. It's a passive increase.

I honestly don't see those chains even doing anything to the archdemon not do I see Link being any threat at all to him yet he was enough to best Dorf as were the sages who again weren't shown to be very powerful by any means yet both times he was defeated.

I don't care what you see, I care what you can prove. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't break those chains. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't take Link or the Sages.

Like I said the sages and Link being more than enough to crush Dorf under his boot heel.

Link won with the Master Sword. The Sages sent him away with the Mirror of Twilight. In neither case was Ganondorf "crushed."

Originally posted by The Scenario
Here's the thing: Why can't Ganondorf resist any damage the Archdemon may or may not do? Ganondorf has been shown to not only survive with a sword through his heart, but to survive with an entire body. Archdemon lreally has no way to kill him.

BUt we see that he was inside it moments before the castle exploded. Your "Common sense" would say that he should have still been inside. Assuming that he left before the explosion is just making things up.

It likely had to do with the floating head form, since we don't know that one's true power. But, we do know that it could convince Zant that Ganondorf was a god, and the only time he fought in that form, a castle exploded. All Ganondorf has to do is go god form and blow up the Archdemon.

Well without the feats, we don't know how strong that is. I watched a video where the Archdemon bit a guy and failed to crush him. Alligators can crush bone, Archdemon apparently can't. And with Ganondorf's durability and twilight forms, Archdemon will never have the chance.

Show me Ganondorf getting hurt after gaining the Triforce to anything besides the Master Sword which, by the way, is better than an exploding castle. The only thing I can think of is his own magic while in Zelda's body.

Link's always been super strong forever. Ignoring that doesn't make it go away. Ganondorf showed increased strength when he killed the Sage. The Triforce had stopped glowing by that point, too. So can you explain Ganondorf being able to transform without the Triforce glowing? How about reforming a body without it? The Triforce glows whenever it wants, not when Ganondorf is doing things. It's a passive increase.

I don't care what you see, I care what you can prove. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't break those chains. If you can't prove it, Archdemon can't take Link or the Sages.

Link won with the Master Sword. The Sages sent him away with the Mirror of Twilight. In neither case was Ganondorf "crushed."

Still in unknown and based on dorf's attacks no way he has this kind of power alone.

He can't even destroy the mirror completely on his own.

Still an unknown and my reasoning shreds it anyways. You haven't a leg to stand on.

We see archdemon crush bone and in the game dorf can hit Link multiple times with his sword and not kill him. I guess he can't break bone either.

Link kills him. Easy. Done.

No, Link has never ever been portrayed throughout the games he needs gear to do really strong things.

Speculation we see him actively do so when he's in trouble. We don't see the power ever close when he isn't actively using it.

You're asking me to prove a negative watch the video where he crushes bodies easily in jaws and look at the sheer size and imagine the strength that a dragon like this would have especially considering it's an old god as well.

So??? Master sword is just treated like any other sword he needs to use skill to beat his opponents still. Swords not even that powerful at all.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He's also died with a sword in his belly so he can't survive anything nor has he shown the ability to do so.

It was the Master Sword. Not just any sword, that one can cancel Ganondorf's abilities. Do you agree?

Still in unknown and based on dorf's attacks no way he has this kind of power alone.

But Midna has even less. This is a feat for Ganondorf to show what he can do. If he'd done it before I'd be showing you that one.

He can't even destroy the mirror completely on his own.

Do you even understand how the Mirror works?

Still an unknown and my reasoning shreds it anyways. You haven't a leg to stand on.

Your reasoning is flawed. Your nly argument is that Ganondorf hasn't done it before, when the point is that he did it now.

We see archdemon crush bone and in the game dorf can hit Link multiple times with his sword and not kill him. I guess he can't break bone either.

Show me the Archdemon crushing bone. Link is too durable and is comparable in strength to Ganondorf. Also, Ganondorf can disintegrate a guy or did you forget?

Link kills him. Easy. Done.

Did you forget the four lengthy boss fights? Because those happened.

No, Link has never ever been portrayed throughout the games he needs gear to do really strong things.

No, he doesn't. I already showed you Link lifting the chandelier and mving the wall without the boots, so why are you still insisting?

Speculation we see him actively do so when he's in trouble. We don't see the power ever close when he isn't actively using it.

We saw him disintegrate a Sage without it, and match Link without it.

You're asking me to prove a negative watch the video where he crushes bodies easily in jaws and look at the sheer size and imagine the strength that a dragon like this would have especially considering it's an old god as well.

I saw him bite someone. There was no crushing. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you post some strength feats for the Archdemon.

So??? Master sword is just treated like any other sword he needs to use skill to beat his opponents still. Swords not even that powerful at all.

No, it's treated like the only thing that harm Ganondorf and cancel his powers. You're just ignoring that part.

Originally posted by The Scenario
It was the Master Sword. Not just any sword, that one can cancel Ganondorf's abilities. Do you agree?

But Midna has even less. This is a feat for Ganondorf to show what he can do. If he'd done it before I'd be showing you that one.

Do you even understand how the Mirror works?

Your reasoning is flawed. Your nly argument is that Ganondorf hasn't done it before, when the point is that he did it now.

Show me the Archdemon crushing bone. Link is too durable and is comparable in strength to Ganondorf. Also, Ganondorf can disintegrate a guy or did you forget?

Did you forget the four lengthy boss fights? Because those happened.

No, he doesn't. I already showed you Link lifting the chandelier and mving the wall without the boots, so why are you still insisting?

We saw him disintegrate a Sage without it, and match Link without it.

I saw him bite someone. There was no crushing. I'm not asking you to prove a negative, I'm asking you post some strength feats for the Archdemon.

No, it's treated like the only thing that harm Ganondorf and cancel his powers. You're just ignoring that part.

That's why it's the best case suggestion as a combination of their combined attacks which blew up the castle.

I understand Minda destroyed it unlike dorf without the power triforce. That's called weak.

Yes, and the fact he hasn't shown anywhere near the power to do so.

Watch the video as I said I don't post them.

Link can't shurg off any attacks from the lowliest of grunts showing he's not durable at all.

He can take out an unprepared sage. Not the same as the archdemon.

Those aren't super strong feats nor do we ignore the ball and chain and him struggling to coral just a horse which humans can do.

An unprepared sage.

He crushed him in his mouth. Do you feel the guy just shrugged it off ?

Nah, we saw him injured prior to by the sages.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't agree. He needed skill to hit him with it and that's why he won not because the master sword just wrecked him.

Why can't it be both? With Link's skills he could have hit Ganondorf with a normal sword bu it would have done nothing. It's the Master Sword that cancels his defenses and hurts him.

That's why it's the best case suggestion as a combination of their combined attacks which blew up the castle.

But if Midna's maximum hass been shown to be 1/10 f castle busting poser, that means Ganondorf contributed 9/10 of that power. Still toomuch for the Archdemon.

I understand Minda destroyed it unlike dorf without the power triforce. That's called weak.

That's called plot. Did you forget that Ganondorf killed Midna? Only the Twili Ruler could have shattered it, or else someone stronger than the goddesses that put it there. Archdemon couldn't even chip the Mirror.

Yes, and the fact he hasn't shown anywhere near the power to do so.

Neither has Midna. But we've seen what happens when Midna cuts loose and it's not nearly enough. So the rest was all Ganondorf. So he has, in fact, shown the power to do so when he defeated Midna.

Watch the video as I said I don't post them.

If you don't post evidence to back yourself up, you essentially forfiet.

Link can't shurg off any attacks from the lowliest of grunts showing he's not durable at all.

King Bulblin. Sky cannon.

He can take out an unprepared sage. Not the same as the archdemon.

It would have made no difference if the Sage was prepared, and it won't matter when Ganondorf disintegrates the Archdemon.

Those aren't super strong feats nor do we ignore the ball and chain and him struggling to coral just a horse which humans can do.

You mean lifting the chandelier bigger than he was and moving the wall isn't superhuman? And you don't remember Link tossing Blizzeta across the room with the Ball and Chain? The thing with Epona is just more of a weight issue, not strength.

An unprepared sage.

Doesn't matter.

He crushed him in his mouth. Do you feel the guy just shrugged it off ?

I saw the guy get peirced by teeth and die a terribly painful death. I did not him being crushed.

Nah, we saw him injured prior to by the sages.

When?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see you avoid the question.

I in no way avoided the question you asked me, which was what I based Ganondorf winning against the Archdemon on, I still base that on page 2 to page 7. What I mean by that can in no way be seen as avoiding the question, but actually answering the question you presented to it's fullest 🙂

Originally posted by The Scenario
He means that as soon as the feats were posted, Ganondorf won.

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pretty much

Originally posted by The Scenario
Why can't it be both? With Link's skills he could have hit Ganondorf with a normal sword bu it would have done nothing. It's the Master Sword that cancels his defenses and hurts him.

But if Midna's maximum hass been shown to be 1/10 f castle busting poser, that means Ganondorf contributed 9/10 of that power. Still toomuch for the Archdemon.

That's called plot. Did you forget that Ganondorf killed Midna? Only the Twili Ruler could have shattered it, or else someone stronger than the goddesses that put it there. Archdemon couldn't even chip the Mirror.

Neither has Midna. But we've seen what happens when Midna cuts loose and it's not nearly enough. So the rest was all Ganondorf. So he has, in fact, shown the power to do so when he defeated Midna.

If you don't post evidence to back yourself up, you essentially forfiet.

King Bulblin. Sky cannon.

It would have made no difference if the Sage was prepared, and it won't matter when Ganondorf disintegrates the Archdemon.

You mean lifting the chandelier bigger than he was and moving the wall isn't superhuman? And you don't remember Link tossing Blizzeta across the room with the Ball and Chain? The thing with Epona is just more of a weight issue, not strength.

Doesn't matter.

I saw the guy get peirced by teeth and die a terribly painful death. I did not him being crushed.

When?

Nope. Her feats are more impressive than dorf's as she can destroy the mirror but he cannot and she moved a bridge. Give me some feats from him alone which show more power than this ?

I think the archdemon is too powerful for anyone in the zelda universe and he'd annihilate the mirror. The power triforce is a polt device so what's your point ? I guess the triforce of power has embarrassing limits in it's own universe.

Speculation.

Nope, you can argue all you want you're unaware as you haven't played the game.

He shrugged off one blunt force attack. Do you realize the difference ? Now if you fight him and let him hit you does it do damage ? Look who is right once again.

The cannon isn't meant to kill anyone nor does it so you can't say survive this makes him super durable when piranha plants can kill him.

I disagree. A prepared opponent vs. an unprepared opponent. With your logic you claim a punch has the same effect regardless of it being a sucker punch or not. I am right again.

Weight goes hand in hand with strength and it's just a horse so if he is super strong it wouldn't have been an issue.

Just like irl a sucker punch====regular punch you see coming. Great logic.

So his jaws didn't crush him. What ? You do realize that's exactly what happened his body was crushed which resulted in his death.

By the sword.

Originally posted by Utrigita
I in no way avoided the question you asked me, which was what I based Ganondorf winning against the Archdemon on, I still base that on page 2 to page 7. What I mean by that can in no way be seen as avoiding the question, but actually answering the question you presented to it's fullest 🙂

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pretty much

Which feats ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, both swords pierced him and then did dorf need to call on the triforce.

Ignoring context.

Nope. Her feats are more impressive than dorf's as she can destroy the mirror but he cannot and she moved a bridge. Give me some feats from him alone which show more power than this ?

He freaking killed her.

I think the archdemon is too powerful for anyone in the zelda universe and he'd annihilate the mirror. The power triforce is a polt device so what's your point ? I guess the triforce of power has embarrassing limits in it's own universe.

Prove it.

Speculation.

You're ignoring facts right now.

Nope, you can argue all you want you're unaware as you haven't played the game.

Concession accepted.

He shrugged off one blunt force attack. Do you realize the difference ? Now if you fight him and let him hit you does it do damage ? Look who is right once again.

Gameplay mechanics.

The cannon isn't meant to kill anyone nor does it so you can't say survive this makes him super durable when piranha plants can kill him.

BIRDS. Piranha plants are in Mario, not Zelda.

I disagree. A prepared opponent vs. an unprepared opponent. With your logic you claim a punch has the same effect regardless of it being a sucker punch or not. I am right again.

A punch is a punch.

Weight goes hand in hand with strength and it's just a horse so if he is super strong it wouldn't have been an issue.

Physics fail.

Just like irl a sucker punch====regular punch you see coming. Great logic.

Sucker punch is just harder to dodge. Deals no more damage unless it hits a vital area.

So his jaws didn't crush him. What ? You do realize that's exactly what happened his body was crushed which resulted in his death.

Teeth killed him, not crushing.

By the sword.

Nope.

Super strength + animal control = broken necks... >_>

Originally posted by quanchi112
Concession accepted.

There have been no Concession, as I have answered your question. To resummize, You asked what I base my statement on. I base that on the debate that toke place from page 2 to page 7, and I still do, and result is, now at page 8, still the same.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Which feats ?

That should, based on page 2 to page 7, be obvious.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Ignoring context.

He freaking killed her.

Prove it.

You're ignoring facts right now.

Concession accepted.

Gameplay mechanics.

BIRDS. Piranha plants are in Mario, not Zelda.

A punch is a punch.

Physics fail.

Sucker punch is just harder to dodge. Deals no more damage unless it hits a vital area.

Teeth killed him, not crushing.

Nope.

Nope. Speculation. She never died, ever.

Play the game. I don't see dorf or anyone in zelda taking on armies while four party members and holding their own. I see dorf as someone who loses one on one or gets beaten by 7 sages easily due to being outnumbered.

So a sucker punch has the same effect as a punch you prepare for and are ready for ? Wow.

It's fiction physics has nothing to do with most of this stuff. LOL.

Being unprepared has a lot to do with it.

So his jaw didn't crush him ? Laughs.

Yep.

Originally posted by Utrigita
There have been no Concession, as I have answered your question. To resummize, You asked what I base my statement on. I base that on the debate that toke place from page 2 to page 7, and I still do, and result is, now at page 8, still the same.

That should, based on page 2 to page 7, be obvious.

Continue to ignore my questions it only strengthens my position.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already accepted your concession.

Continue to ignore my questions it only strengthens my position.

How one can view a statement that answers the question the individual himself presented as a concession is beyond me.

I'm sorry strengthen what position?

Only way for Archdemon to win is by having a fishing pole. awesome

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Originally posted by quanchi112
I already accepted your concession.

Continue to ignore my questions it only strengthens my position.

Yah desperate bro?

Originally posted by Utrigita
How one can view a statement that answers the question the individual himself presented as a concession is beyond me.

I'm sorry strengthen what position?

Originally posted by Phanteros
Funny I don't see a concession in his quotes.

Yah desperate bro?

Originally posted by quanchi112
Avoding a specific answer detailing how he loses with look through this thread is a concession.

I haven't in any way been avoiding you question Quanchi, but how and why on Earth should I give a resume of what have transpired on page 2 to 7 where the debate, from my perspective, was fought? If People reaches page 7 they will know which arguments I have choosen to base my opinion on if they have bothered to read and understand both sides argument.

So it's not a concession but a statement that is made on the fact presented on those pages hence that is what I base my opinion on. Hence the question have been answered.