Archdemon vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Originally posted by quanchi112
I have explained to you the context several times and at no point has dorf ever been uncuttable.

You truly know no bounds, you do
It was I that explained the context to you
When Ganondorf removed the blade
It did not cut him, your point is played

Nope. Speculation. She never died, ever.

Ignoring my words again, are you?
You can't ignore this fact
Ganondorf defeated Midna, easily, too
And his win did not leave the castle intact

Play the game. I don't see dorf or anyone in zelda taking on armies while four party members and holding their own. I see dorf as someone who loses one on one or gets beaten by 7 sages easily due to being outnumbered.

I asked you to prove the Archdemon's power
Not to bash Zelda and cower
Behind a weak inconsistency in the past
And you own opinions that leave you last

So a sucker punch has the same effect as a punch you prepare for and are ready for ? Wow.

That's what I said, is it not?
You're trying to bash Ganondorf a lot
The Sage died all the same, and no matter defense
A disintegration won't care about the Archdemon's sense

It's fiction physics has nothing to do with most of this stuff. LOL.

Then use it as it's shown, alright
Ganondorf still wins this fight
A cutscene takes precedence
And so does Link's defense

Being unprepared has a lot to do with it.

Nothing at all is what I say
And your Zelda hate won't change that way
Archdemon can't deal with that attack
So stop trying to turn this to Ganondorf's back

So his jaw didn't crush him ? Laughs.

Play the game, watch the scene
I know you will see what I mean
Peirced by teeth but never crushed
It seems the dragon's mouth is mushed

Yep.

The sword failed to harm after his Power
He forced the Sages to run and cower
All they could do was send him him away
Buying time 'til he came back their way

I give 9,4 for the artistic value but the small drop in 3 part pulls down 😛

Originally posted by The Scenario
You truly know no bounds, you do
It was I that explained the context to you
When Ganondorf removed the blade
It did not cut him, your point is played

Ignoring my words again, are you?
You can't ignore this fact
Ganondorf defeated Midna, easily, too
And his win did not leave the castle intact

I asked you to prove the Archdemon's power
Not to bash Zelda and cower
Behind a weak inconsistency in the past
And you own opinions that leave you last

That's what I said, is it not?
You're trying to bash Ganondorf a lot
The Sage died all the same, and no matter defense
A disintegration won't care about the Archdemon's sense

Then use it as it's shown, alright
Ganondorf still wins this fight
A cutscene takes precedence
And so does Link's defense

Nothing at all is what I say
And your Zelda hate won't change that way
Archdemon can't deal with that attack
So stop trying to turn this to Ganondorf's back

Play the game, watch the scene
I know you will see what I mean
Peirced by teeth but never crushed
It seems the dragon's mouth is mushed

The sword failed to harm after his Power
He forced the Sages to run and cower
All they could do was send him him away
Buying time 'til he came back their way

Originally posted by Utrigita
I haven't in any way been avoiding you question Quanchi, but how and why on Earth should I give a resume of what have transpired on page 2 to 7 where the debate, from my perspective, was fought? If People reaches page 7 they will know which arguments I have choosen to base my opinion on if they have bothered to read and understand both sides argument.

So it's not a concession but a statement that is made on the fact presented on those pages hence that is what I base my opinion on. Hence the question have been answered.

Originally posted by The Scenario
You truly know no bounds, you do
It was I that explained the context to you
When Ganondorf removed the blade
It did not cut him, your point is played

Ignoring my words again, are you?
You can't ignore this fact
Ganondorf defeated Midna, easily, too
And his win did not leave the castle intact

I asked you to prove the Archdemon's power
Not to bash Zelda and cower
Behind a weak inconsistency in the past
And you own opinions that leave you last

That's what I said, is it not?
You're trying to bash Ganondorf a lot
The Sage died all the same, and no matter defense
A disintegration won't care about the Archdemon's sense

Then use it as it's shown, alright
Ganondorf still wins this fight
A cutscene takes precedence
And so does Link's defense

Nothing at all is what I say
And your Zelda hate won't change that way
Archdemon can't deal with that attack
So stop trying to turn this to Ganondorf's back

Play the game, watch the scene
I know you will see what I mean
Peirced by teeth but never crushed
It seems the dragon's mouth is mushed

The sword failed to harm after his Power
He forced the Sages to run and cower
All they could do was send him him away
Buying time 'til he came back their way

He was cut and almost dead,
the triforce then resisted in his stead,
but you forget the master sword cut him just as easily,
as the original blade did mr. beasly.

I ignore nothing I call you on your bluff,
it's quite easy I assure you this shouldn't be so rough,
dorf defeated midna but she was never killed,
so as usual I am right and you haven't thrilled.

I did prove his power,
he soloed a mini force while taking damage and rallying the troops,
he wasn't easily defeated by seven foes or by one,
so please spare your tears, hun.

A sucker punch implies an opponents isn't ready for it,
so saying it has the same effect on someone as a regular punch,
shows me you haven't been in a real fight or even have a hunch.

The sage did die and had he been prepared,
he wouldn't have died think mike tyson and bust-(er),
now bow to my superior logic and eat my dust.

I haven't avoided a thing,
I use all cutscenes and where dorf loses to seven or one,
archdemon prevails over more than a ton,
of enemies that is.

Everything I state is dead on,
so keep your zelda obsession alive in your mind,
and maybe I will start being kind.

His body was crushed I mean irl a crocodile can crush a person's body in pieces,
yet you claim a much bigger dragon can't do the same despite what common sense teaches,
the body was crushed to the point of death,
which is you know the point of this thread.

The effects were shrugged to the side,
momentarily only as we saw what happened the next time he went for a ride.

In closing dorf loses as he isn't as powerful nor as large,
so just move on and don't barge,
this thread is the archdemon's.

I think calling someone a pathetic bot is flaming.

Quan, knock it off and don't flame.

Originally posted by quanchi112
By yes it was already explained,
Your delay and avoidance of the issue will save you not,
I am the great quanchi you pathetic bot.

He was cut and almost dead,
the triforce then resisted in his stead,
but you forget the master sword cut him just as easily,
as the original blade did mr. beasly.

To what delay are you referring?
I know none of which you speak
Regardless, it seems you're still inferring
That being stabbed makes Ganondorf weak
I tell you you're wrong in this endeavor
Before the power he was only human, if never
After the power did he recieve
Strength, durability, the means to achieve

I ignore nothing I call you on your bluff,
it's quite easy I assure you this shouldn't be so rough,
dorf defeated midna but she was never killed,
so as usual I am right and you haven't thrilled.

Ah, but now you must admit
Ganondorf's power is greater, is it?
But to get that helmet and render it shoddy
He had to pull it from her lifeless body
And then the Light Spirits on their return
Gave her life on that hill, and the thing she did yearn

I did prove his power,
he soloed a mini force while taking damage and rallying the troops,
he wasn't easily defeated by seven foes or by one,
so please spare your tears, hun.

"Mini force?" seven men with blade and bow
Injured the dragon, and one brought him low
Normal men with normal strength
Ruined his wings and the battle's length
Then later, did one man go
And slew the Archdemon with yet one blow

A sucker punch implies an opponents isn't ready for it,
so saying it has the same effect on someone as a regular punch,
shows me you haven't been in a real fight or even have a hunch.

All it is is a simple blow
That the opponent doesn't know
There's no more damage unless it's vital
But what prevents Ganondorf from making a title?
You've yet to prove the Archdemon can take
A blow like that, whether ready or wake

The sage did die and had he been prepared,
he wouldn't have died think mike tyson and bust-(er),
now bow to my superior logic and eat my dust.

Prove it, man, it's what you do
When a claim like that is coming through
Prove the Sage wasn't ready, prove he could've blocked
'Cause it just looks to me like the Archdemon gets rocked

I haven't avoided a thing,
I use all cutscenes and where dorf loses to seven or one,
archdemon prevails over more than a ton,
of enemies that is.

Avoiding evidence is all you've done
Relying on video from other while you post not one
Ganondorf's losses? He was just sent away
He couldn't harmed, but for the one blade that may
Number defeated matters not
Ganondorf's power leaves the dragon to rot

Everything I state is dead on,
so keep your zelda obsession alive in your mind,
and maybe I will start being kind.

You've once again failed to counter, refute
That the Archdemon has no defense from Ganondorf's brute
A punch that disintegrates a Sage complete
The Archdemon's never fought such an elite

His body was crushed I mean irl a crocodile can crush a person's body in pieces,
yet you claim a much bigger dragon can't do the same despite what common sense teaches,
the body was crushed to the point of death,
which is you know the point of this thread.

Common sense? No use here, fantasy, right?
Watch the evidence again, and that weak bite
See that nothing is crushed, just pierced by teeth
Archdemon is weak, not like a crocodile's sheath

The effects were shrugged to the side,
momentarily only as we saw what happened the next time he went for a ride.

A ride doesn't hurt, does it not?
Ganondorf can't be harmed, just left to rot
Too bad he doesn't and improves to the point
Of breaking that Mirror into four to a joint

In closing dorf loses as he isn't as powerful nor as large,
so just move on and don't barge,
this thread is the archdemon's. [/B]

Ganondorf's power is much greater
And his size will change on a whim
He can trap the Archdemon for later
Or just use his castle busting force on him

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's a concession if you avoid the question entirely. It's like asking me why someone wins and me pointing to a respect thread.

There is however a fine difference between those two things, I'm not directing you to another thread on another part of this website. I'm directing your attention to what have been said on previous pages, because I can't be asked to give a resume, when you having debated it, must have read it and knows what stands on them.

Basically The Scenario have based on a pure scientific analyses presented a better argument, sure I have ideas on what the Archdemon can do, it might be a great Mage, it might be a great Telepath, it might have awesome durability, but I can't prove (and neither based on the thread could you) that these things are facts, instead The Scenario have showed, through evidence, that Ganondorf have the durability, the strength and the magic power required to hang with and kill the Archdemon.

Originally posted by General Kaliero
Quan, knock it off and don't flame.

I'd have went *** for tat but not if a clever word can be misconstrued as flaming when done in fun in a rhyme then it's not worth it.

Originally posted by The Scenario
To what delay are you referring?
I know none of which you speak
Regardless, it seems you're still inferring
That being stabbed makes Ganondorf weak
I tell you you're wrong in this endeavor
Before the power he was only human, if never
After the power did he recieve
Strength, durability, the means to achieve

Ah, but now you must admit
Ganondorf's power is greater, is it?
But to get that helmet and render it shoddy
He had to pull it from her lifeless body
And then the Light Spirits on their return
Gave her life on that hill, and the thing she did yearn

"Mini force?" seven men with blade and bow
Injured the dragon, and one brought him low
Normal men with normal strength
Ruined his wings and the battle's length
Then later, did one man go
And slew the Archdemon with yet one blow

All it is is a simple blow
That the opponent doesn't know
There's no more damage unless it's vital
But what prevents Ganondorf from making a title?
You've yet to prove the Archdemon can take
A blow like that, whether ready or wake

Prove it, man, it's what you do
When a claim like that is coming through
Prove the Sage wasn't ready, prove he could've blocked
'Cause it just looks to me like the Archdemon gets rocked

Avoiding evidence is all you've done
Relying on video from other while you post not one
Ganondorf's losses? He was just sent away
He couldn't harmed, but for the one blade that may
Number defeated matters not
Ganondorf's power leaves the dragon to rot

You've once again failed to counter, refute
That the Archdemon has no defense from Ganondorf's brute
A punch that disintegrates a Sage complete
The Archdemon's never fought such an elite

Common sense? No use here, fantasy, right?
Watch the evidence again, and that weak bite
See that nothing is crushed, just pierced by teeth
Archdemon is weak, not like a crocodile's sheath

A ride doesn't hurt, does it not?
Ganondorf can't be harmed, just left to rot
Too bad he doesn't and improves to the point
Of breaking that Mirror into four to a joint

Ganondorf's power is much greater
And his size will change on a whim
He can trap the Archdemon for later
Or just use his castle busting force on him

Dorf was still a powerful leader of the gerudo at this point. He wasn't just human he became more powerful after the triforce saved him but was still able to be stabbed and defeated by the sages.

Dorf never gained durability either he was successfully impaled by a sword that can be blocked or parried by any opposing knight.

Dorf beat her yes but she was never dead. Nor does it imply in any way she was ever brought back to life they restored her former form. It's obvious.

Seven sages defeated dorf twice. Dorf took out one man and later lost one on one in a sword duel. so by my estimation Archdemon>>>Dorf by what happened in each of these scenarios.

Link has normal strength as well....points to the horse and ball and chain.

Archdemon's wings weren't ruined they were only damaged for long distance as they worked just fine against the grey wardens.

If you attack a guy with multiple blows with multiple people then it isn't just one blow. Eventually it's one blow that kills everyone. Laughs hard at killed by one blow and ignoring the context.

You've yet to prove dorf can disintegrate anyone else with a touch other than an unprepared sage. Dorf didn't disintegrate Midna or Link did he ? 😉

None of the sages were ready they just sat there astonished until he broke free and attacked. Now when they were ready they easily defeated dorf which they did one move later.

Being sent away is losing. When he was held as a prisoner he lost and when he was impaled he lost again. Only victory he has is over zelda and midna. He simply beats on women.

The sage wasn't prepared and when they were prepared they easily defeated Dorf. He was oneshotted to defeat after he was chained up already.

So you feel a regular crocodile has more jaw strength than the archdemon and that the jaw bite didn't crush the body ?

Dorf's power can't get him a win anytime save over two female characters. Sages beat him easily and Link killed him one on one.

Originally posted by Utrigita
There is however a fine difference between those two things, I'm not directing you to another thread on another part of this website. I'm directing your attention to what have been said on previous pages, because I can't be asked to give a resume, when you having debated it, must have read it and knows what stands on them.

Basically The Scenario have based on a pure scientific analyses presented a better argument, sure I have ideas on what the Archdemon can do, it might be a great Mage, it might be a great Telepath, it might have awesome durability, but I can't prove (and neither based on the thread could you) that these things are facts, instead The Scenario have showed, through evidence, that Ganondorf have the durability, the strength and the magic power required to hang with and kill the Archdemon.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was impaled twice in the thread very easily how does that prove he's uber durable ?

I, as said earlier can't be asked to give a resume, The Scenario have already been over this for 5 freaking pages, I can't be asked to explain to you what he have said in some vague hope that you will understand it when all points towards the fact that you made up your mind at page 1.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Rhyming is over for me. I'd have went rounds with you but was told I flamed you for a rhyming word in my rhyme so it's just straight debating for me.

You were warned for flaming, not rhyme
For naming a "pathetic bot" this time
You could have easily changed the turn
But you did not, so the warning you earn
And I suggest we not discuss this
What mods do is their own business

Dorf was still a powerful leader of the gerudo at this point. He wasn't just human he became more powerful after the triforce saved him but was still able to be stabbed and defeated by the sages.

This matters not in the long run
Unless you're removing the Triforce for fun?
What happened long past is different from now
So trying to use it fails anyhow

Dorf never gained durability either he was successfully impaled by a sword that can be blocked or parried by any opposing knight.

I've show you this so many times before
That it's starting to become a chore
Ganondorf removed the sword from his heart
This did not harm him, agree or depart?

Dorf beat her yes but she was never dead. Nor does it imply in any way she was ever brought back to life they restored her former form. It's obvious.

Beaten in a castle that then explodes
And appears on a hill in suddenness bodes
That Midna died there and Ganon stole her shadow
Even so Ganondof won with that titan's blow

Seven sages defeated dorf twice. Dorf took out one man and later lost one on one in a sword duel. so by my estimation Archdemon>>>Dorf by what happened in each of these scenarios.

Ha ha, is that what you think?
Archdemon could not repeat either sink
He fights the true Ganondorf, not an unpowered hand
And has no way to remove to a shadowy land

Link has normal strength as well....points to the horse and ball and chain.

You point to those and I'll point to these
The throwing of Gorons and Ice Mass, please
Even so your examples are false in their way
Ball and Chain is no problem and the horse doesn't pay

Archdemon's wings weren't ruined they were only damaged for long distance as they worked just fine against the grey wardens.

So the dragon couldn't run, the coward's heart
One man crippling it right at the start
As I said, normal strength, normal sword
Ganondorf kill him with ease, and remains lord

If you attack a guy with multiple blows with multiple people then it isn't just one blow. Eventually it's one blow that kills everyone. Laughs hard at killed by one blow and ignoring the context.

But in canon, just one, a blow to the throat
You say I ignore context when impalement you tote
You're being a hypocrite you do such as this
One sword in Ganon and he's suddenly swiss?
No, not at all, so don't try the same
The dragon must fight Ganon's forms for the fame

You've yet to prove dorf can disintegrate anyone else with a touch other than an unprepared sage. Dorf didn't disintegrate Midna or Link did he ? 😉

Prove unprepared, I asked of you
Or did you realize this you can't do?
I say he did for Midna, but Link has the Blade
Evil's Bane and protection displayed

None of the sages were ready they just sat there astonished until he broke free and attacked. Now when they were ready they easily defeated dorf which they did one move later.

They had ample time to prepare while the chain
Was broken and beaten by strength truly insane
You cannot prove they were not prepared
They couldn't harm Ganon and that had them scared
The same situation would see the Archdemon's death
Whether the blade in the heart or the land of dark's breath

Being sent away is losing. When he was held as a prisoner he lost and when he was impaled he lost again. Only victory he has is over zelda and midna. He simply beats on women.

Really, please stop acting the fool
Out of context and insults are all you may pool
Ganondorf without Power I tell you so often
To use this again is to nail your own coffin
Archdemon cannot send Ganon away
So why bring it up to your own dismay?

The sage wasn't prepared and when they were prepared they easily defeated Dorf. He was oneshotted to defeat after he was chained up already.

Stop using the past, it's gone, it's done
Ganondorf now will have none of that, hun
Archdemon's not dealing with that same man
Ganondorf's stronger now, breaking castles as can

So you feel a regular crocodile has more jaw strength than the archdemon and that the jaw bite didn't crush the body ?

It's not what I feel, it's what I saw
I don't make the game, just uphold the law
And in that world the dragon is weak
Unable to crush in his mouth at peak

Dorf's power can't get him a win anytime save over two female characters. Sages beat him easily and Link killed him one on one.

Out of context again, why won't you learn
That the past doesn't matter depite what you yearn?
Link is powerful, too, I don't care what you think
and Ganondorf destroys Archdemon in a mere blink

Originally posted by Utrigita
I, as said earlier can't be asked to give a resume, The Scenario have already been over this for 5 freaking pages, I can't be asked to explain to you what he have said in some vague hope that you will understand it when all points towards the fact that you made up your mind at page 1.

Originally posted by The Scenario
You were warned for flaming, not rhyme
For naming a "pathetic bot" this time
You could have easily changed the turn
But you did not, so the warning you earn
And I suggest we not discuss this
What mods do is their own business

This matters not in the long run
Unless you're removing the Triforce for fun?
What happened long past is different from now
So trying to use it fails anyhow

I've show you this so many times before
That it's starting to become a chore
Ganondorf removed the sword from his heart
This did not harm him, agree or depart?

Beaten in a castle that then explodes
And appears on a hill in suddenness bodes
That Midna died there and Ganon stole her shadow
Even so Ganondof won with that titan's blow

Ha ha, is that what you think?
Archdemon could not repeat either sink
He fights the true Ganondorf, not an unpowered hand
And has no way to remove to a shadowy land

You point to those and I'll point to these
The throwing of Gorons and Ice Mass, please
Even so your examples are false in their way
Ball and Chain is no problem and the horse doesn't pay

So the dragon couldn't run, the coward's heart
One man crippling it right at the start
As I said, normal strength, normal sword
Ganondorf kill him with ease, and remains lord

But in canon, just one, a blow to the throat
You say I ignore context when impalement you tote
You're being a hypocrite you do such as this
One sword in Ganon and he's suddenly swiss?
No, not at all, so don't try the same
The dragon must fight Ganon's forms for the fame

Prove unprepared, I asked of you
Or did you realize this you can't do?
I say he did for Midna, but Link has the Blade
Evil's Bane and protection displayed

They had ample time to prepare while the chain
Was broken and beaten by strength truly insane
You cannot prove they were not prepared
They couldn't harm Ganon and that had them scared
The same situation would see the Archdemon's death
Whether the blade in the heart or the land of dark's breath

Really, please stop acting the fool
Out of context and insults are all you may pool
Ganondorf without Power I tell you so often
To use this again is to nail your own coffin
Archdemon cannot send Ganon away
So why bring it up to your own dismay?

Stop using the past, it's gone, it's done
Ganondorf now will have none of that, hun
Archdemon's not dealing with that same man
Ganondorf's stronger now, breaking castles as can

It's not what I feel, it's what I saw
I don't make the game, just uphold the law
And in that world the dragon is weak
Unable to crush in his mouth at peak

Out of context again, why won't you learn
That the past doesn't matter depite what you yearn?
Link is powerful, too, I don't care what you think
and Ganondorf destroys Archdemon in a mere blink

You were wrong when you called him a mere human at the time which is the point. You were completely wrong about dorf and have little respect for him you only respect the triforce of power it seems.

It warded off temporarily the damage done to him. I have explained this many times.

Prove Midna died. you can't. Prove dorf blew up the castle on his own ? Prove he was in it when it fell ? You can't to any of these so quit speculating. Midna's form was also changed she wasn't brought back to life.

Archdemon kills the sages, easily. Dorf only took out one.

Boots and boss battle which is inconsistent with how he is portrayed.

The dragon was all over the battlefield damaging various forces but it being stuck and marooned to the point the wardens could find it and kill it it still took out more than dorf did in one scene during dorf's entire game. LOL.

Link weakened dorf to impale him. Pay attention to what I say dorf isn't going to stand there and just let him. Like all bosses you have to weaken them up first.

The sages were unprepared and to say prove they were unprepared this only draws attention to your inability to understand the scene. They were chocked and unprepared and once they realized what was happening they quickly bfr'd him.

They thought he was dead and were unprepared for the triforce of power which is common sense to all but you apparently.

Archdemon kills dorf. He crunches him in his powerful jaws.

Dorf gets beat one on one in the present. He dies to less than the sages. That's actually worse.

Sages bested him with the power triforce and so did Link.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So basically you posting is just a waste of time and you dn't want to debate but instead hide behind someone else's arguments. Concession accepted.

Not at all, quite the contrary, I'm a person of little to no knowledge of Ganondorf that have based on the arguments presented by The Scenario been convinced that Ganondorf wins. As stated before.

And as also said, I can't be asked to have a argument with a individual that have stated that he already made up his mind on page one, that kinda works against the entire idea of having a discussion.

Quanchi what TP dorf is this? I think you fight him more than once?

Originally posted by quanchi112
It rhymed it wasn't a flame but you do tend to have your feelings hurt quite easily so I won't try to say anything perceived a flame with you.

It doesn't have anything to do with my feelings. The fact is that calling someone a pathetic bot is a personal attack, regardless of whether or not it rhymed. I rhymed perfectly well without attacking you. Now please drop the subject, as neither you nor I can tell the mods how to do their jobs.

You were wrong when you called him a mere human at the time which is the point. You were completely wrong about dorf and have little respect for him you only respect the triforce of power it seems.

No, you misunderstand me. Even though Ganondorf was a leader and had some magical powers, his physical stats were still merely human level. He had human strength, human durability, and he was just generally mortal. Before the Triforce, a sword to the heart could kill him. After he recieved the Triforce of Power, all of that changed. He gained superhuman strength, durability, and immortality, and his magic grew much more powerful. And then, the same sword that killed him before no longer affected him, and failed to cut him again. What you are doing, Quanchi, is trying to argue that the Archdemon is fighting Ganondorf without the Triforce of Power. This is not true. Every time you say Ganondorf was stabbed by the Sages, you are talking about Ganondorf without the Triforce of Power. And when I tell you this, I mention that after Ganondorf got his peice, the same sword failed to harm him upon removal.

It warded off temporarily the damage done to him. I have explained this many times.

As have I. You have seen Ganondorf rip the sword from his chest while laughing. You have seen Ganondorf reform from having been reduced to particles twice. You have seen Ganondorf assume a spirit form when his body was destroyed. You have seen Ganondorf inside a castle as it exploded. All of this, and you still believe that Archdemon has any way to actually kill him?

I must honestly ask you: How?

Prove Midna died. you can't. Prove dorf blew up the castle on his own ? Prove he was in it when it fell ? You can't to any of these so quit speculating. Midna's form was also changed she wasn't brought back to life.

Hey Quanchi: PROVE YOUR OWN POINTS

If you are not going to meet me halfway and post your own evidence, I really see no reason to even attempt to prove anything to you. And what with your absolute refusal to either post or accept any evidence I ask for or provide since the beginning of this thread, your record indicates that you will dismiss anything I post anyway.

But in the hope that I might convince you that evidence is important, I will give you what you ask for:
YouTube video

While I'm at it, here's a few reasons Archdemon can't kill Ganondorf:
At the very beginning of the video, you can see Beast Ganon has been defeated, and his body burns and disintegrates as Zelda talks. Do you see this? He's disintegrating. Now check 1:03, guess who's back! It's Ganondorf, after having his body destroyed.

Okay, 1:35, Midna teleports Link and Zelda away, and attacks Ganondorf with the Fused Shadows at 2:05. Both Midna and Ganondorf are still in the castle at this point. Scene change, we're now with Zelda and Link. Around 2:27 there's some rumbling that tips them off that some bad s***'s about to go down. 2:30, there is a small energy pulse that is the same color as Midna's spear. Now, we have seen Midna do this kind of thing before, here:

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Specifically, see 1:05, when Midna strikes the barrier, that same pulse of light is shown. Also, please note 1:21, where the power expended there renders Midna near unconscious. Also note that Midna's power is nowhere near enough to destroy the castle, not achieving any destruction whatsoever aside from the barrier itself despite the massive light show. The conclusion reached here is that Midna couldn't be the one who destroyed the castle, and using her power weakens her immensely.

Now, go back to the first video, to 2:37. The castle has just been destroyed. Ganondorf stands just outsides the ruins, unharmed, with a new body, and at 2:55 he destroys the Fused Shadows. Since we know for a fact that Midna could not have destroyed the castle (see previous paragraph), and both Midna and Ganondorf were inside the castle during their fight, the only reasonable explanation is that Ganondorf destroyed the castle. This is supported further by the Fused Shadows. As you should know, that artifact is what gives Midna most of her powers. When Ganondorf destroys it, it proves beyond doubt that Ganondorf is more powerful than the Fused Shadows.

Now, for another important bit. The Fused Shadows are the source of Midna's power. Fact. Using their full power renders Midna unconscious. Fact. Ganondorf's power is greater than that of the Fused Shadows by a large margin. Fact. After Ganondorf defeats Midna, she is not seen again. We know that Ganondorf defeated Midna, and in order to take the Fused Shadows from her, he would have had to be very close. Close enough to touch her head, since that is where she wears one of them. Now this:

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After Ganondorf is finally defeated, the Light Spirits appear. At 0:10, a figure rises up. At 0:30, we finally see Midna's sillhouette. But wait, she's wearing her helmet. Wasn't that destroyed by Ganondorf? Wait, so something that was destroyed was somehow brought back? On Midna? Well, that's certainly something. Of course, the Light Spirits have disappeared by now. And then later, at 0:52, Midna's back in her true form, after the Light Spirits have already left. Looks like her turning back to her true form wasn't their doing after all. But if they weren't changing her to her true form, what were they doing, I wonder?

There you go, Quanchi. I gave you all the evidence and proof you asked for, and I even went so far as to explain it and post more support from the game. I really hope you'll do me a favor and respond in kind.

Archdemon kills the sages, easily. Dorf only took out one.

I can't believe you still do this. Are you aware of what a flashback is? It is an event that happens in the past. That was past Ganondorf, not the current one. Past Ganondorf recieved the Triforce only seconds before, and had no time to actually build up skill with it. Yet even so, he still killed a Sage. If Current Ganondorf was to actually fight the Sages, he would destroy them utterly. I have told you about the Mirror before, yes? Past Ganondorf, the one with no time to learn how to use his power, was sent away (but not harmed) by the Mirror of Twilight. Now consider Current Ganondorf, with more skill with his Triforce and time to learn, who broke that same Mirror into peices. So you cannot use the Mirror as an argument anymore, since it is no longer a threat to Current Ganondorf. Do you understand this, Quanchi? The Ganondorf that fought Link and destroyed the castle is much stronger than he was when he fought the Sages. So stop using Past Ganondorf in arguments. It doesn't work.

Boots and boss battle which is inconsistent with how he is portrayed.

It is not in any way inconsistent. BloodRain and I, in other threads as well as this one, have posted several feats of strength from Link that not only prove he has super strength, but prove that that strength is consistent. You cannot explain away Gorons, Dangoro, the metal cage, the chandelier, Blizzeta, and Ganondorf himself as inconsistencies. Link is repeatedly portrayed as strong, and you are in denial.

The dragon was all over the battlefield damaging various forces but it being stuck and marooned to the point the wardens could find it and kill it it still took out more than dorf did in one scene during dorf's entire game. LOL.

Yeah, get back to me when the Archdemon is proven to destroy a castle. The number of nameless mooks it manages to kill does not matter, as they are just nameless, pathetic soldiers. Ganondorf is not a simple human. Even so, the Archdemon could be hurt by normal arrows and swords, so Ganondorf will tear him to pieces. Ganondorf caused much more damage with pure power than the Archdemon ever could.

Link weakened dorf to impale him. Pay attention to what I say dorf isn't going to stand there and just let him. Like all bosses you have to weaken them up first.

Yeah, and Ganondorf has four fights with different forms and body reforming during them. Archdemon somehow beats Ganondorf once? Too bad, now he has to deal with Beast Ganon. Manage to take that one out? God form Ganondorf comes next. At that point Archdemon loses any resemblance of a chance it ever had, and Ganondorf still has one more reformation he can use.

The sages were unprepared and to say prove they were unprepared this only draws attention to your inability to understand the scene. They were chocked and unprepared and once they realized what was happening they quickly bfr'd him.

No, Ganondorf was the one that was unprepared in that scene, since he had just been revived and granted a power he could barely use. The Sages just stood there and watched while Ganondorf broke his chains. Upwards of 30 seconds and the Sages do nothing. It seems you're the one who doesn't understand the scene, as you repeatedly demonstrating by expecting Ganondorf to instantly master everything about the Triforce in under a minute.

They thought he was dead and were unprepared for the triforce of power which is common sense to all but you apparently.

'K, so the Sages see Ganondorf revive himself. They do nothing. Ganondorf begins breaking his chains. They do nothing. One chain is broken now. They do nothing. He's trying to break the second one. What do the Sages do now that he's almost free? That's right, absolutely nothing! Quanchi, the Sages had ample time to stop Ganondorf at any point, but they did not do anything until the Sage of Water was already dead. Maybe they just didn't like that guy or something. Doesn't matter. The point is that the Sage had time to prepare, and they simply did not.

Archdemon kills dorf. He crunches him in his powerful jaws.

Ignoring evidence again? That's what you're doing when you say things that blatantly disregard everything that the Archdemon is portrayed as. The Archdemon failed to crush human bone with his bite in cutscene, and claiming that he can is just setting flame bait. I hope you realize and accept that you are wrong on this point.

Dorf gets beat one on one in the present. He dies to less than the sages. That's actually worse.

That's called ignoring context. Link is demonstratable much stronger and more skilled than the Sages, who are frankly just idiots. In addition, Link is weilding the one weapon that cancels Ganondorf's powers and deals him lethal damage. The fact that he held out as long as he did against Link is just impressive, as well as the fact that he killed Midna and dominated Zelda. In fact, his powers in Zant defeated all of Hyrule.

Sages bested him with the power triforce and so did Link.

I've explained this to you at length. If you continue to ignore it, you will just be trolling.

Oh, and Utrigita? Thanks for your support, and I'm sorry to ask this, but I need your opinion. Have I explained this well enough that someone who has not played Zelda can understand it? And if so, is it convincing enough for a third party such as yourself?

Originally posted by Utrigita
Not at all, quite the contrary, I'm a person of little to no knowledge of Ganondorf that have based on the arguments presented by The Scenario been convinced that Ganondorf wins. As stated before.

And as also said, I can't be asked to have a argument with a individual that have stated that he already made up his mind on page one, that kinda works against the entire idea of having a discussion.

Originally posted by Burning thought
Quanchi what TP dorf is this? I think you fight him more than once?