Archdemon vs. Ganondorf (TP)

Originally posted by The Scenario
You're now ignoring my questions. Great. The point is that once a Goron is stopped, the extra weight isn't needed and Link can just use his strength. You seem to think he needs the boots to do anything requiring strength, which was why I asked. The feat proves that Link has immense strength behind his tiny arms, so his sword swings are stronger than a normal human's.

That doesn't make any sense at all. The way the battles are presented does not change the size of an entity. And size is not a matter of opinion, so "imo" means nothing here. The entire point of this was to establish that Link has fought things bigger than the Archdemon and gained experience from the battles.

Ok, so what prevents the Triforce from negating anything the Archdemon does? Since the sword could not cut him after he got the Triforce, I don't see the Archdemon as being able to cut him, either. And once again you ignore the context of the Master sword canceling the Triforce.

No, we have not, in fact, seen Ganondorf hurt by any normal swords. He was hurt by a magical sword, though he became immune to it after he got the Triforce. And the Sages still were unable to harm him at all. The Mirror didn't harm him either, and for the possibly hundredth time, Ganondorf came back and broke the Mirror later.

You are aware Ganondorf isn't the Twili king either, correct? And that the Mirror was created by the goddesses? And that it was their will that only the Twili ruler could truly destroy the Mirror? And despite that, Ganondorf still broke the Mirror.

No, Link is quite experienced, what with fighting all the bigger than Archdemon monsters, as well as the Shadow Beasts and Bulblin military, along with Ganondorf's forces. By the time he reached Ganondorf, Link was an extremely skilled fighter, since he did all of it single handidly.

No, if you remember, Link was shown to be stronger than the warrior who weilded the Ball and Chain, since he did it much better. The Archdemon doesn't really have an strength feats aside from knocking down a few soldiers, and Ganondorf was breaking magical chains of light and competing with Link, which puts him above the Archdemon strengthwise.

See, it's when you say things like this with nothing back them that things get difficult. Ganondorf not only has a magical sword, his opponent also has a crippling vulnerability to any slashing or stabbing weapon. One cut is all it would really take for Ganondorf to win, if he did not just destroy the Archdemon's soul. And the Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to hurt Ganondorf, let alone keep him from reforming.

Uh, no. Read the rules. There are no darkspawn in this thread, so the Archdemon has nothing to call. Even if he could, Ganondorf's Phantom Ganons (which he used in the horseback fight) would make quick work of them, and Ganondorf can just keep summing more. Hell, he can just send the Phantoms after the Archdemon while he hangs back a reflects all the Archdemon's ranged attacks.

No, seriously, how does the Archdemon call any darkspawn if there are not any in the area? Explain that, please. This is a one on one forum fight, and darkspawn would be outside help. Did you just decide to add darkspawn to the Archdemon's side?

The Archdemon has not displayed the strength needed to harm Ganondorf. No, unless you post a strength feat, the Archdemon could not kill Ganondorf even if he just stood there. However, if you can post a sufficient strength feat, you'll win.

Midna has shown enough TK to lift a bridge. That puts her above a high dragon. If you paid attention you would see this. However, Midna can't blow up a castle. Ganondorf can blow up a castle, though, so the Archdemon really has no way to win.

No. This is the extent of Midna's power:
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As you can plainly see, Midna, while powerful, cannot destroy a castle at her maximum. Since Midna could not have done it, and Ganondorf was the only other on there, it literally could not have been anyone else. Ganondorf obviously destroyed the castle.

I never agreed to that. I simply said that Link does not need 6 or so seconds of rest before throwing the Ball and Chain again like the boss does, so he is obviously stronger.

Why are you saying Zant did it when you already agreed that Ganondorf destroyed the Mirror? And you are aware that I have posted more Dragon Age videos in this thread than you have? And that the first thing I did when I saw this thread was to look at the Dragon Age wiki and then read its Tvtropes article? I don't need to play a game to know how strong its characters are.

Uh, yes it did. That's why the sword failed to damage him when he removed it. Do you honestly think that's a power he would turn off voluntarily? Be serious.

None of the enemies were bigger than Link and the presentation of the battles is much different or hadn't you noticed ?

The thing is the Archdemon is more powerful than dorf as evidenced by the power released upon his death compared to the power of dorf's death which was rather pathetic by comparison.

When has dorf laughed off anyone cutting him ? When has he resisted being pierced by any blade from striking him initially ?

Dorf was hurt by their sword and no reference in the game if I am remembering correctly to his or that sword being magical or special. In any event the sages easily defeated him despite him using the triforce of power against them.

I am aware dorf's power coudln't destroy the mirror altogether. I am aware Midna could and she wasn't the king either. She's a female and easily proved dorf's impotence once again.

Link didn't do it all singlehandedly he had Bo's help, Zelda's aid, Midna's aid at various points throughout the game. To say he had no aid is completely false. Link fought against weak opponents who weren't structured or really organized at all and was at zant's mercy early on. Link was extremely lucky and needed all the help he got throughout the game and still wasn't that experienced time wise to perfect his skills.

No, Link wasn't he was slower and used two hands as opposed to one. Using two hands equals more strength as opposed to someone else's lone hand.

Dorf doesn't possess that kind of strength all the time and anyways he never was shown to outclass more than one opponent with a cheapshot anyways. Had the sage been aware he'd have resisted I believe.

When was the archdemon killed by just one total slash ? Where do you dream this stuff up ? Dorf can't take on more than two opponents at once he simply can't take them on unlike the Archdemon.

How would you know whether or not his phantoms make quick work of them you have never even played the game and he can call either of his two generals.

I guess you want to ignore his abilities. Fine I will ignore it since you are throwing a hissyfit.

You don't need strength to pierce dorf we saw sages do it. They weren't even shown to be strong and Link wasn't shown to be strong and he's never resisted anything before. You can pretend the dragon can't hurt dorf it only hurts you and your delusions.

Yes, she did move a bridge. Ok, and ? You are making a case for her showing a more impressive feat of power than dorf. I like.

No, since we have never seen him demonstrate this level of power it was obviously a combined effort.

Two hands are stronger than one. You proved Link needs two hands whereas the boss needs one.

I don't post videos. I just don't you are free to call me on anything but I don't post videos. You know this about me I don't search youtube I simply argue my opinion so if you don't like it, tough.

You post the same videos a hundred times which is rather annoying imo.

I believe it powered him up for the moment. There's no evidence he can resist swords now only if injured enough call on enough power to resist the effects which he did against Link only failed. It supports my opinion not yours.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant would solo them. See, the thing about Zelda is that it is not army based. It just tends to have several super strong characters that leave everyone else in the dust. But regardless, let's see:
Aerofos, Armos, Beamos, Bokoblin, Bulblin, Chilfos, Darknut, Deku-Baba, Dodongo, Dinofos, Freezard, Helmasaurus, Imp Poe, Kargarok, Lizalfos, Moldorm, Poe, Puppet, Redead Knight, Skulltula, Stalfos, Stalhound, Shadow Kargarok, Shadow Beast, White Wolfos, etc. There ya go.

I've seen nothing from then that indicates this. However, this is off topic and irrelevant.

Yet he still notices, and the Archdemon flinches at arrows in cutscene. Whereas Ganondorf laughs at swords.

It did not harm him when he pulled it out. He was only impaled because the Master Sword was doing the impaling.

Spent the entire cutscene bleeding and screaming in pain befre falling to the ground. It beat Riordan accidentally. And you know what? It's easier to just say the Arxhdemon can't do what the Sages did.

Link is highly experienced and highly skilled. Don't underestimate him, especially since Link also has the Triforce of Courage. But its not like the Archdemon uses swords, so why bring it up? Ganondorf is still a superior fighter to the Archdemon, thanks to his power and durability.

Ganondorf crushed her helmet. At that point, she was dead. The very fact that Ganondorf had to ppry the thing from her head is proof of that.

No, you're just intentionally ignoring context and bashing Ganondorf at every opportunity. If Ganondorf could only be beaten by BFR or Link's strength with the Master Sword, and the Archdemon has neither, how will he win? Not to mention that Ganondorf can no longer be BFR'd since he can travel across dimensions and broke the Mirror of Twilight.

Now you're getting it. Ganondorf can resist pretty much everything but the thing designed to hurt him. Other things can't hurt him.

No, we've seen that Midna's maximum isn't even close to good enough for castle busting, while we hadn't seen Ganondorf go all out. When he did, he killed Midna and destroyed Hyrule castle. Why are you bashing Ganondorf so much, really? I understand if you hate Zelda, but that's just being ridiculous.

The Mirror of Twilight also failed to hurt Ganondorf in any way. It sent him away, but it could not harm him. That may count as a defeat, but now that Ganondorf mastered the Triforce, he can cross dimensions and make the BFR useless. And since the Archdemon cannot BFR, Ganondorf destroys it.

Except that you forgot that Ganondorf killed Midna. The only reason he couldn't completely shatter the Mirror is because he wasn't a Twili ruler. Power had nothing to with it. How is that laughable again?

So the darkspawn have to already be in the area. That just conirms that the Archdemon can't do it, since that would be outside help and against the rules. The OP did not give the Arxhdemon any darkspawn, so he can't have them.

The Archdemon was crippled rather quickly, fell rather quickly, and was killed rather quickly. What's your point, that you ignore context and facts whenever you want?

He resisted the sword's damage. This means he resisted being cut. This means he is uncuttable by normal blades and some magical blades. The only one he can't resist is the Master Sword, which he Archdemon can't use.

There are not any darkspawn to call in a forum fight. It is a one on one fight, and the darkspawn essentially do not exist for it to call. Do you not understand this?

I understand perfectly. The Archdemon doesn't need to go inside inside Ganondorf. However, Ganondorf can go inside the Archdemon for the same effect, thus destroying the Archdemon's soul.

The Sages can't beat him, they can just send him away. If you really can't remember, the Mirror of Twilight can't hurt Ganondorf, and he can break it. The Master Sword and Triforce of Courage puts Link on Ganondorf's level.

You're admitting that it was pointless, then? If the Arxhdemon can't do the same, he can't beat Ganondorf. It's just that simple.

Prove it. The Archdemon has no resistance unless you can show it to me. Prove the Archdemon has resistance or it dies on contact with Ganondorf.

Thus touching Ganondorf, thus dying. Thus getting possessed, thus dying. Archy can't win.

You're ignorant about the entire game. to get an actual feel you need to play these games that's why I won't argue character vs. character unless I have played the actual game.

Archdemon crushed them whereas dorf was beaten by the sages. Case in point.

He was harmed both times he was impaled he tried to resist both effects and succeeded once and failed the other time.

So actively trying to fling off an opponent hundreds of feet in the air is accidentally ? When you say things like this it's hard for me to take you seriously. You act as if the archdemon didn't actively try to defeat him which he did successfully.

Link has a few weeks of experience with a few lessons from the old warrior and aid from Bo, etc. He defeats the forces as they aren't organized and aren't powerful. In dragon age he'd be swallowed by just a rush of darkspawn.

Dorf can't resist the archdemon's jawpower or his flames.

Dorf isn't a more skilled fighter. He loses to someone less powerful and with minimal experience.

She was ko'd no proof of her death just more speculation. You speculate the entire time with no proof just speculation.

Dorf can be beaten by superior power which the archdemon has. Dorf has never been shown to have power to resist dragons or with the powers archdemon has. Archdemon doesn't wield a sword either so why act like him resisting a sword is proof of anything ? it works both ways.

No, he can't he had the power to resist one near fatal attack due to enemy stupidity and shock. That's it he lost the second time he came around to a less powerful opponent.

When has dorf ever possessed an opponent while in combat who is conscious ? If you ignore the context surrounding his feat why argue it. It's silly.

Bfring is beating him. They didn't kill him but bfring or koing is beating someone. He can break it with his power when no one is actively trying to defeat him with it. Of course he can break an inanimate object with no one wielding it. Laughs hard.

Lesser attacks have nearly killed him and have killed him by fewer forces. It's relevant.

Dorf did it once against an unsuspecting sage. That's it prove he can disintegrate a ready opponent.

Link touched him and lived. Did Midna get disintegrated with one touch ?

So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

Originally posted by quanchi112
He was harmed both times he was impaled he tried to resist both effects and succeeded once and failed the other time.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

Nothing at all.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

His desire for a new pet. 🙂

Originally posted by Burning thought
Nothing at all.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
His desire for a new pet. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
To do anything to an opponent who has a considerable weight advantage he needs the boots. Nothing anywhere close to a strength feat is done without the boots so he needs them but it comes at a cost as he loses his mobility. I'd love to see him battle anyone with these things on. It'd be so amusing.

No, he doesn't. Link does not need to put on the boots just so he can put his massive strength behind a sword strike. The only time Link would need the boots is if something much heavier than him tried to push him backwards.

None of the enemies were bigger than Link and the presentation of the battles is much different or hadn't you noticed ?

Quanchi, you realize you just said that at least four monsters taller than a house are smaller than Link? Even if you meant they were smaller than the Archdemon it would still be false, as the Archdemon is not taller a house. The presentation doesn't matter where sheer size is concerned.

The thing is the Archdemon is more powerful than dorf as evidenced by the power released upon his death compared to the power of dorf's death which was rather pathetic by comparison.

That is just illogical. All the Archdemon did was cause a large light show as it possessed the Grey Warden and thus killed itself. It never actually hurt anything, either. Whereas Ganondorf caused much more destrution when he exploded a castle, and he did it while alive.

When has dorf laughed off anyone cutting him ? When has he resisted being pierced by any blade from striking him initially ?

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3:04, as I've shown you before, is Ganondorf laughing as he removes the blade, which fails to cut him. After he got the Triforce, the sword stopped cutting him.

Dorf was hurt by their sword and no reference in the game if I am remembering correctly to his or that sword being magical or special. In any event the sages easily defeated him despite him using the triforce of power against them.

Ganondorf was hurt by the sword because he did not have the Triforce at the time. After he got it, the Sages could not damage him and had to resort to sending him away.

I am aware dorf's power coudln't destroy the mirror altogether. I am aware Midna could and she wasn't the king either. She's a female and easily proved dorf's impotence once again.

I said Twili ruler, not king. Gender is irrelevant, as is power. Only the true Twili ruler could shatter the Mirror, and no one else could do that, regardless of how strong they are.

Link didn't do it all singlehandedly he had Bo's help, Zelda's aid, Midna's aid at various points throughout the game. To say he had no aid is completely false. Link fought against weak opponents who weren't structured or really organized at all and was at zant's mercy early on. Link was extremely lucky and needed all the help he got throughout the game and still wasn't that experienced time wise to perfect his skills.

And I assume you think the Dragon Age party had no help? Regardless, Link fights quite powerful opponents and the organized military of the Bulblins as well as suffering from Shadow ambushes. He has wiped out a village and a Bulblin camp, as well as invaded the Palace of Twilight itself. He also invaded Hyrule Castle under Ganondorf's control, with its organized gaurds. It's a testament to how Link improves over the game that he can do that, and if you can't see it you're not getting how the Zelda series works.

No, Link wasn't he was slower and used two hands as opposed to one. Using two hands equals more strength as opposed to someone else's lone hand.

Why does that matter? It's still the same amount of weight and Link weilded it far more effectively, and showed much more strength with it, as BloodRain so kindly pointed out. And again, Link wasn't slower.
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Compared to Link, that boss is pathetic.

Dorf doesn't possess that kind of strength all the time and anyways he never was shown to outclass more than one opponent with a cheapshot anyways. Had the sage been aware he'd have resisted I believe.

What you believe means absolutely nothing to the facts. And the fact remains that Ganondorf disintegrated a guy and the Archdemon has defense for this. And unless you can show me the Archdemon doing something that requires strength, Ganondorf's feats of breaking the chains and swordlocking with Link will always win.

When was the archdemon killed by just one total slash ? Where do you dream this stuff up ? Dorf can't take on more than two opponents at once he simply can't take them on unlike the Archdemon.

The part where the Grey Warden slits its neck, thus dropping it instantly. And the Archdemon is one opponent, Quanchi, not that it makes a difference when Ganondorf has castle destroying power.

How would you know whether or not his phantoms make quick work of them you have never even played the game and he can call either of his two generals.

Because the Phantoms are incorporeal and still capable of attacking. The Archdemon can't call anyone that is not already in the thread unless he has the power to create darkspawn from thin air. And the Archdemon does have the ability to create darkspawn from thin air.

I guess you want to ignore his abilities. Fine I will ignore it since you are throwing a hissyfit.

No, I just want you to understand that there are no darkspawn in the thread unless they can be created. Since they can't, and the OP does not give the Archdemon allies, there are no darkspawn in this thread. Do you think there are darkspawn in this thread?

You don't need strength to pierce dorf we saw sages do it. They weren't even shown to be strong and Link wasn't shown to be strong and he's never resisted anything before. You can pretend the dragon can't hurt dorf it only hurts you and your delusions.

Fail. I have told you, shown you, and explained to you multiple times that the Sages peirced Ganondorf BEFORE HE GOT THE TRIFORCE. After he got it, they could not harm him. If you do not understand how that works, please just tell me the part that confuses you and I will do my best to clarify it for you. And please stop ignoring the fact that Link is repeatedly portrayed as strong.
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How about 0:10, wherein Link lifts the giant chandlier without the boots? Or 0:44, where Link moves the walls, also without boots?

Yes, she did move a bridge. Ok, and ? You are making a case for her showing a more impressive feat of power than dorf. I like.

Except for the part where both Zant and Ganondorf have demonstrated TK superior to Midna's bridge lift, which could simply crush the Archdemon into powder.

No, since we have never seen him demonstrate this level of power it was obviously a combined effort.

No, since we've never seen anyone demonstrate the ability to combine attacks, and we've seen that Midna's maximum power is nowhere near castle busting, the only one that could have done it is Ganondorf. Even if it was combined, Midna's maximum could hardly do anything so Ganondorf's attack had to do nearly all of it.

Two hands are stronger than one. You proved Link needs two hands whereas the boss needs one.

I proved Link is superior to the boss in every way. Just using one arm doesn't make the boss stronger, since the things Link does are several times greater than anything the boss could do, even if it did use both arms.

I don't post videos. I just don't you are free to call me on anything but I don't post videos. You know this about me I don't search youtube I simply argue my opinion so if you don't like it, tough.

So you admit to just wasting everyone's time. Opinions mean less than nothing in a debate. Debates are about facts and evidence, and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you refuse to associate with either.

You post the same videos a hundred times which is rather annoying imo.

You claim claimss without any evidence, which is much more annoying.

I believe it powered him up for the moment. There's no evidence he can resist swords now only if injured enough call on enough power to resist the effects which he did against Link only failed. It supports my opinion not yours.

I do not have an opinion, or a belief. I have a conclusion that is supported by the evidence and proof that I post. In the video, you can clearly see that the Triforce has stopped glowing after he breaks the first chain and shows his hand to the Sages. Then, later, Ganondorf demonstrates that the Triforce does not glow every time he uses his power, such as when he possessed Zelda or transformed into Beast Ganon.
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Then at 0:06, look at Ganondorf's hand. He has the Master Sword in his chest but the Triforce is not glowing. At 0:25 it starts glowing, but then it fades and Ganondorf is still up. That's because the Master Sword prevented the Triforce from working, but you can't seem to accept that. All of this supports my conclusion, and not your opinion.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Zant needed an army to invade hyrule. He never solo'd anything. Those enemies pale in comparison, lack numbers, are less organized, and not as powerful so really I feel sorry as you have no clue.

Zant pulled a country into Twilight, effectively soloing Hyrule. He'd do the same to Dragon Age, but that's an argument for another time. And what are you talking about? I named more creatures than you did, and several of them were part of an organized military or gaurd. They're also quite powerful.

You're ignorant about the entire game. to get an actual feel you need to play these games that's why I won't argue character vs. character unless I have played the actual game.

I do have a feel for them, though. I've watched gameplay videos, and I can get a feel from that. The Archdemon just does not strike me as powerful comppared to most things I've seen.

Archdemon crushed them whereas dorf was beaten by the sages. Case in point.

Ganondorf killed Midna while the Archdemon killed nameless weaklings. Do you know what a flashback is?

He was harmed both times he was impaled he tried to resist both effects and succeeded once and failed the other time.

And I've explained to you why this is, but you keep ignoring it. Is it because you don't understand? I'd really like to help you understand, so if you could let me know what part abut Ganondorf not having his powers in a flashback or the Master Sword canceling his powers you are confused about, and I'll explain it to you in terms you can understand.

So actively trying to fling off an opponent hundreds of feet in the air is accidentally ? When you say things like this it's hard for me to take you seriously. You act as if the archdemon didn't actively try to defeat him which he did successfully.

Except if you watch the video, you see the Archdemon failing to shake Riordan off, and you see Riordan's sword fall out of the Archdemon on its own while Riordan is holding it. So even though the Archdemon tried, his failure was unrelated to Riordan's fall. Riordan fell because his sword fell, not because the Archdemon was trying to throw him off.

Link has a few weeks of experience with a few lessons from the old warrior and aid from Bo, etc. He defeats the forces as they aren't organized and aren't powerful. In dragon age he'd be swallowed by just a rush of darkspawn.

Link has great experience taking on multiple opponents in great numbers, and he starts the game with quite a bit of sword training. He defeats forces despite the fact that they are powerful, skilled, and organized. He's taken on rushes of things stronger than darkspawn.

Dorf can't resist the archdemon's jawpower or his flames.

Yes, he can. Ganondorf displays great physical resistance when the Sage's sword fails to harm him, as well as when the castle exploded. And he shows great spiritual resistance when he touches the Fused Shadows without harm, as well as defeating Midna's power.

Dorf isn't a more skilled fighter. He loses to someone less powerful and with minimal experience.

Ganondorf loses to an opponent with great skill and experience, in addition to being physically very powerful and weilding a weapon that cancels Ganondorf's powers.

She was ko'd no proof of her death just more speculation. You speculate the entire time with no proof just speculation.

Ganondorf holding her helmet is proof. The Light Spirits reviving her is proof. You can accept it or get out.

Dorf can be beaten by superior power which the archdemon has. Dorf has never been shown to have power to resist dragons or with the powers archdemon has. Archdemon doesn't wield a sword either so why act like him resisting a sword is proof of anything ? it works both ways.

I would agree that Ganondorf can be beaten by a superior power. But you have not proven that the Archdemon is superior at all. Ganondorf has shown resistance to spiritual attacks like the Archdemon's fire when he holds the Fused Shadows and defeats Midna. His resistance to swords also translates to claws and teeth, as well as his resistance to exploding castles.

No, he can't he had the power to resist one near fatal attack due to enemy stupidity and shock. That's it he lost the second time he came around to a less powerful opponent.

You think Link is less powerful than the Sages? That's just ridiculous. Ganondorf, after gaining the Triforce, was able to resist blades, as I have repeatedly proven. He was beaten by the Master Sword because the Master Sword cancels his powers, as I have also repeatedly proven. Why do you ignore everything I say?

When has dorf ever possessed an opponent while in combat who is conscious ? If you ignore the context surrounding his feat why argue it. It's silly.

Zant. You have seen the personality change Zant undergoes? That's Ganondorf. Thus, Ganondorf possesses the Archdemon, thus killing it instantly.

Bfring is beating him. They didn't kill him but bfring or koing is beating someone. He can break it with his power when no one is actively trying to defeat him with it. Of course he can break an inanimate object with no one wielding it. Laughs hard.

You're just being intentionally dense. If the Archdemon can't BFR, why does this even matter? If the Mirror can't even hurt Ganondorf, and Ganondorf got stronger and became immune, why does the past matter? If you have not proven that Ganondorf can't break the Mirror when it's being used, how about you prove it?

Lesser attacks have nearly killed him and have killed him by fewer forces. It's relevant.

Yes, lesser attacks and forces have killed the Archdemon, but why does that matter to Ganondorf? Since you don't seem to understand what a flashback is, I will explain it: A flashback is a scene that happened in the past, and often shows how characters have changed. Do you not see that Ganondorf has changed, so that the Sages and Mirror can't beat him anymore, because that was the past, and that this argument is entirely worthless? Ganondorf got stronger, and until you accept this fact, you are just wasting my time.

Dorf did it once against an unsuspecting sage. That's it prove he can disintegrate a ready opponent.

Midna.

Link touched him and lived. Did Midna get disintegrated with one touch ?

When did Ganondorf grab Link like that? And yes, Midna was destroyed when Ganondorf killed her and blew up the castle.

You know, what I find funny is how he wanks the Archdemon, when there are more impressive feats in the games from other beings. Pride Demons in particular.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No, he doesn't. Link does not need to put on the boots just so he can put his massive strength behind a sword strike. The only time Link would need the boots is if something much heavier than him tried to push him backwards.

Quanchi, you realize you just said that at least four monsters taller than a house are smaller than Link? Even if you meant they were smaller than the Archdemon it would still be false, as the Archdemon is not taller a house. The presentation doesn't matter where sheer size is concerned.

Ganondorf was hurt by the sword [b]because he did not have the Triforce at the time. After he got it, the Sages could not damage him and had to resort to sending him away.

I said Twili ruler, not king. Gender is irrelevant, as is power. Only the true Twili ruler could shatter the Mirror, and no one else could do that, regardless of how strong they are.

And I assume you think the Dragon Age party had no help? Regardless, Link fights quite powerful opponents and the organized military of the Bulblins as well as suffering from Shadow ambushes. He has wiped out a village and a Bulblin camp, as well as invaded the Palace of Twilight itself. He also invaded Hyrule Castle under Ganondorf's control, with its organized gaurds. It's a testament to how Link improves over the game that he can do that, and if you can't see it you're not getting how the Zelda series works.

Why does that matter? It's still the same amount of weight and Link weilded it far more effectively, and showed much more strength with it, as BloodRain so kindly pointed out. And again, Link wasn't slower.
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Compared to Link, that boss is pathetic.

What you believe means absolutely nothing to the facts. And the fact remains that Ganondorf disintegrated a guy and the Archdemon has defense for this. And unless you can show me the Archdemon doing something that requires strength, Ganondorf's feats of breaking the chains and swordlocking with Link will always win.

The part where the Grey Warden slits its neck, thus dropping it instantly. And the Archdemon is one opponent, Quanchi, not that it makes a difference when Ganondorf has castle destroying power.

Because the Phantoms are incorporeal and still capable of attacking. The Archdemon can't call anyone that is not already in the thread unless he has the power to create darkspawn from thin air. And the Archdemon does have the ability to create darkspawn from thin air.

No, I just want you to understand that there are no darkspawn in the thread unless they can be created. Since they can't, and the OP does not give the Archdemon allies, there are no darkspawn in this thread. Do you think there are darkspawn in this thread?

Fail. I have told you, shown you, and explained to you multiple times that the Sages peirced Ganondorf BEFORE HE GOT THE TRIFORCE. After he got it, they could not harm him. If you do not understand how that works, please just tell me the part that confuses you and I will do my best to clarify it for you. And please stop ignoring the fact that Link is repeatedly portrayed as strong.
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How about 0:10, wherein Link lifts the giant chandlier without the boots? Or 0:44, where Link moves the walls, also without boots?

Except for the part where both Zant and Ganondorf have demonstrated TK superior to Midna's bridge lift, which could simply crush the Archdemon into powder.

No, since we've never seen anyone demonstrate the ability to combine attacks, and we've seen that Midna's maximum power is nowhere near castle busting, the only one that could have done it is Ganondorf. Even if it was combined, Midna's maximum could hardly do anything so Ganondorf's attack had to do nearly all of it.

I proved Link is superior to the boss in every way. Just using one arm doesn't make the boss stronger, since the things Link does are several times greater than anything the boss could do, even if it did use both arms.

So you admit to just wasting everyone's time. Opinions mean less than nothing in a debate. Debates are about facts and evidence, and you have repeatedly demonstrated that you refuse to associate with either.

You claim claimss without any evidence, which is much more annoying.

I do not have an opinion, or a belief. I have a conclusion that is supported by the evidence and proof that I post. In the video, you can clearly see that the Triforce has stopped glowing after he breaks the first chain and shows his hand to the Sages. Then, later, Ganondorf demonstrates that the Triforce does not glow every time he uses his power, such as when he possessed Zelda or transformed into Beast Ganon.
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Then at 0:06, look at Ganondorf's hand. He has the Master Sword in his chest but the Triforce is not glowing. At 0:25 it starts glowing, but then it fades and Ganondorf is still up. That's because the Master Sword prevented the Triforce from working, but you can't seem to accept that. All of this supports my conclusion, and not your opinion. [/B]

I meant Archdemon. They are smaller than he is. Size also doesn't always denote who's more powerful anyways.

No, it blew back and wrecked the entire top of FT. Drakon whereas Dorf just did well nothing but died...peacefully and pitiful. Dorf never blew up a castle on his own that's just your speculation. We never ever see him cause anywhere near that level of damage, ever.

His power resists the damage only when actively doing so and we see him try against after another sword damages him. Never do we see swords bounce off of his skin afterwards because that's ridiculous and makes no sense to what we actually see in the game.

Dorf's power resisted the injuries. They got rid of him as he had access to the triforce of power and they easily defeated him despite him having access to the triforce of power.

You agreed Midna is more powerful despite his possession of the triforce of power which also further diminishes it's power in the game due to Midna showing it up in this regard. Even in it's own game it fails to impress.

Link never ever fights an organized army. Not once does he take on anything even close to an army nor do we see anything resemble the forces at ostagar or the end of the game assembled. It's not even close. Hyrule is a joke when it comes to organization and armies. Their soldiers quiver in fear and aren't respectable in any stretch of the word.

If you can't agree using one arm as opposed to two makes a huge difference then I can't expect you to say anything sane or rational. You just argue for zelda despite how ridiculous it gets.

Dorf did so against one opponent who was unprepared who lacks the power and feats of the archdemon. You really can't even prove dorf can disintegrate anyone save a sage. That's it who was also unprepared.

We see the archdemon rip bodies apart and kill them in his mouth. I mean did you see the video, see the sheer size of the beast, or the damage he did to the army on the roof ? Dorf can't even beat 7 guys, 2 foes, or just Link when he gets him alone.

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Dorf has never ever destroyed a castle. It happened off video while fighting someone else coupled with his power has never shown anywhere near this it's easy to see it was their combined efforts. He doesn't come close to destroying a castle while fighting Link or outside either. You can keep restating it and I will keep destroying this laughable claim.

The grey warden does so after a lengthy battle after others have weakened it as well which won't be happening here against Dorf. Dorf just beats crushed by one guy.

Dorf gets eaten and he can take damage from his phantoms all day while he kills the real deal.

He doesn't need darkspawn I am amused at you being a hypocrite though and fighting tooth and nail for every plot device to be allowed for dorf and arguing against everything counting for his opponent.

I have already trashed this as it just resisted the effects and he was still pierced the next time in battle against a sword and failed to resist the effects. Nowhere does a sword bounce off of him. I win.

These feats aren't massive strength feats by any means. Laughs. Link isn't in this thread.

I am tired of hearing of Link's ILLUSORY STRENGTH.

Midna needed time to move the bride she never did anything like this in combat and we never saw Zant or dorf do anything to suggest how they could beat the archdemon based on this power.

Nope. Sum your posts up it's the same type stuff a few paragraphs ago about who destroyed the castle. I already debuffed it multiple times.

We don't see the boss use two arms so don't make claims you can't prove and are an affront to common sense. We see Link use two arms and he can barely move while he struggles to wield it further proving he's not strong.

I have backed up my claims and my opinion is backed by the games themselves unlike yours. You just argue against anything and are prozelda.

It's power already negated his injuries. That was his intention and he used it again against Link but it failed him that time.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Zant pulled a country into Twilight, effectively soloing Hyrule. He'd do the same to Dragon Age, but that's an argument for another time. And what are you talking about? I named more creatures than you did, and several of them were part of an organized military or gaurd. They're also quite powerful.

I do have a feel for them, though. I've watched gameplay videos, and I can get a feel from that. The Archdemon just does not strike me as powerful comppared to most things I've seen.

Ganondorf killed Midna while the Archdemon killed nameless weaklings. Do you know what a flashback is?

And I've explained to you why this is, but you keep ignoring it. Is it because you don't understand? I'd really like to help you understand, so if you could let me know what part abut Ganondorf not having his powers in a flashback or the Master Sword canceling his powers you are confused about, and I'll explain it to you in terms you can understand.

Except if you watch the video, you see the Archdemon failing to shake Riordan off, and you see Riordan's sword fall out of the Archdemon on its own while Riordan is holding it. So even though the Archdemon tried, his failure was unrelated to Riordan's fall. Riordan fell because his sword fell, not because the Archdemon was trying to throw him off.

Link has great experience taking on multiple opponents in great numbers, and he starts the game with quite a bit of sword training. He defeats forces despite the fact that they are powerful, skilled, and organized. He's taken on rushes of things stronger than darkspawn.

Yes, he can. Ganondorf displays great physical resistance when the Sage's sword fails to harm him, as well as when the castle exploded. And he shows great spiritual resistance when he touches the Fused Shadows without harm, as well as defeating Midna's power.

Ganondorf loses to an opponent with great skill and experience, in addition to being physically very powerful and weilding a weapon that cancels Ganondorf's powers.

Ganondorf holding her helmet is proof. The Light Spirits reviving her is proof. You can accept it or get out.

I would agree that Ganondorf can be beaten by a superior power. But you have not proven that the Archdemon is superior at all. Ganondorf has shown resistance to spiritual attacks like the Archdemon's fire when he holds the Fused Shadows and defeats Midna. His resistance to swords also translates to claws and teeth, as well as his resistance to exploding castles.

You think Link is less powerful than the Sages? That's just ridiculous. Ganondorf, after gaining the Triforce, was able to resist blades, as I have repeatedly proven. He was beaten by the Master Sword because the Master Sword cancels his powers, as I have also repeatedly proven. Why do you ignore everything I say?

Zant. You have seen the personality change Zant undergoes? That's Ganondorf. Thus, Ganondorf possesses the Archdemon, thus killing it instantly.

You're just being intentionally dense. If the Archdemon can't BFR, why does this even matter? If the Mirror can't even hurt Ganondorf, and Ganondorf got stronger and became immune, why does the past matter? If you have not proven that Ganondorf can't break the Mirror when it's being used, how about you prove it?

Yes, lesser attacks and forces have killed the Archdemon, but why does that matter to Ganondorf? Since you don't seem to understand what a flashback is, I will explain it: A flashback is a scene that happened in the past, and often shows how characters have changed. Do you not see that Ganondorf has changed, so that the Sages and Mirror can't beat him anymore, because that was the past, and that this argument is entirely worthless? Ganondorf got stronger, and until you accept this fact, you are just wasting my time.

Midna.

When did Ganondorf grab Link like that? And yes, Midna was destroyed when Ganondorf killed her and blew up the castle.

They aren't organized by any means compared to dragon age. You have no idea how many people, creatures, weapons, mages, dogs, etc. we see in the armies in this game. It wouldn't be fair to zelda.

Your pro zelda so 99 percent of the time you will argue no matter what you see I venture to guess.

Midna was never killed whereas Archdemon killed the eldest grey warden. He dies unlike Midna who smiled and won whereas Dorf died and lost.

I have already explained this to you many times. At no point do we ever see a sword bounce off of him. Ever. 🙂

His flight caused riordan to swing his sword down his back before he fell. He knew he was going to die so he tried doing as much damage as possible before falling. Arhcdemon won whereas dorf lose to 7 sages and one Link.

At no point does Link face anything close to resembling the forces in dragon age lying in wait. he takes on weaker foes in packs of twos or threes whereas in dragon age droves of enemies assault you from every angle.

No, the sword already cut him he resisted his or it's effects and then took it out. That's what happened and then he still was beaten despite the power he just used.

Midna didn't seem all that powerful to me just those magical hands and that's it.

Dorf loses to someone with not much experience and someone he is a lot more powerful to. Link beats him due to skill not because his sword always destroy's dorf it depends on who wields it. I mean come on now this much is evident his skill beat dorf's ass all over the place.

Holding her helmet is proof he defeated her and then took her helmet. That's it. You don't have any proof just speculation. I am right. The light spirits transform her old form not bring her back to life.

That's a different attack you seem to confuse them or a battle where he triumphs as some sort of immunity to all attacks. He chomps him. He's more powerful and much bigger. If swords can cut him this jaw is going to tear him up.

I don't think Link could beat all 7 sages. Not at once. No way. Dorf failed against both.

When did dorf possess zant ? Zant chose to be his avatar. Dorf didn't possess him against his will and we saw him abandone dorf and let him die. 😂

Archdemon doesn't bfr dorf. I never once said anything so silly. Dorf gets overwhelmed by a much bigger opponent who is more powerful.

Dorf changed but still was impaled only this time he died. So if anything he looks worse by comparison.

Archdemon chews him up and spits him out.

Midna was never disintegrated. Ever.

Nope. Speculation.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what stops Ganon from ripping Archdemon's head off?

Originally posted by ares834
Yeah, but the first time he didn't even have the Triforce of Power yet, but once he gets it the attack is completley ineffective. The second time was the Master Sword which is his greatest weakness like kryptonite to Superman, or if you prefer the NYPD to Thanos. 😆

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
His desire for a new pet. 🙂

Originally posted by NemeBro
You know, what I find funny is how he wanks the Archdemon, when there are more impressive feats in the games from other beings. Pride Demons in particular.

New plan: I'm just not going to respond to anything that doesn't involve Ganondorf or the Archdemon. Too much of this is irrelevant and just wasting space.

Now, from the evidence that has been posted, Ganondorf is more durable than the Archdemon, as he has resisted a sword to the heart, tanked an exploding castle, tanked Light Arrows, and had his body completely destroyed before reforming it. The Archdemon, on the other hand, is harmed by normal swords and is killed by a blow to the neck.

Ganondorf is stronger than the Archdemon, shown when he broke his chains, disintegrated a Sage, gave Zant power, destroyed Hyrule castle, and killed Midna. Archdemon killed killed a few soldiers.

That is what the evidence shows.

Ganondorf for the win. 🙂

Originally posted by The Scenario
New plan: I'm just not going to respond to anything that doesn't involve Ganondorf or the Archdemon. Too much of this is irrelevant and just wasting space.

Now, from the evidence that has been posted, Ganondorf is more durable than the Archdemon, as he has resisted a sword to the heart, tanked an exploding castle, tanked Light Arrows, and had his body completely destroyed before reforming it. The Archdemon, on the other hand, is harmed by normal swords and is killed by a blow to the neck.

Ganondorf is stronger than the Archdemon, shown when he broke his chains, disintegrated a Sage, gave Zant power, destroyed Hyrule castle, and killed Midna. Archdemon killed killed a few soldiers.

That is what the evidence shows.

We never saw where he was or if he was in the castle even when the castle went down. We've also seen far less than a castle downing collateral damage hurt him.

Dorf was harmed by swords as well. Difference is archdemon doesn't have a sword and his jaw strength is much more than someone swinging a sword. We've also seen sages impaled dorf quite easily.

How is he stronger than the archdemon he failed to overpower Link....you just argued in the other thread. You honestly think dorf can over power a huge dragon that just mauls enemies left and right while dorf has only defeated one unprepared sage....that's it.

Your post is littered with speculative points you haven't proven.

The evidence shows dorf would need three party members when taking him on.

Originally posted by Utrigita
Ganondorf for the win. 🙂

Originally posted by quanchi112
Based on ?

page two to page seven so far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
He isn't more durable at all. He has been pierced and impaled mind you both times someone used a sword against him. If he's more durable give me a feat where a sword bounced off of him. Dorf using the triforce to resist the injuries isn't the same thing as what you are making it out to be.

If he's resisting injuries, that means he's durable. I already gave you a better feat than a sword bouncing off him when a castle exploded on him and he was fine. You also seem to be ignoring Ganondorf's ability to ignore fatal wounds and remake his body if it's destroyed.

We never saw where he was or if he was in the castle even when the castle went down. We've also seen far less than a castle downing collateral damage hurt him.

Quanchi, it's simple commom sense. You make such as big deal about it, so why won't you use it here? We saw Midna attack Ganondorf, while both were in the castle. We saw the castle explode. We saw Ganondorf standing in front of the destroyed castle with Midna's helmet, and midna just gone. It's obvious Ganondorf destroyed the castle, it's obvious Ganondorf was still in the caste, and it's obvious Ganondorf killed Midna.

It's just common sense, isn't it?

Dorf was harmed by swords as well. Difference is archdemon doesn't have a sword and his jaw strength is much more than someone swinging a sword. We've also seen sages impaled dorf quite easily.

Prove the Archdemon's jaws are stronger/better than a sword. I've already told you everything about that scene, and Ganondorf didn't have durability before he was stabbed. Afterwards, he could tank castles.

How is he stronger than the archdemon he failed to overpower Link....you just argued in the other thread. You honestly think dorf can over power a huge dragon that just mauls enemies left and right while dorf has only defeated one unprepared sage....that's it.

You should know by now Link is super strong, and Ganondorf is comparable to him. And, of course, Ganondorf broke those chains it would take super strength to break. Can you prove that the Archdemon is strong?

Your post is littered with speculative points you haven't proven.

You have never proven anything you've ever claimed. I have presented evidence, why won't you? Why won't you ever try to prove anything? Asking me to prove things while you won't is just being hypocritical, and it's annoying me.

So please, just prove your points. Post evidence. Give me an example. Anything, as long as you stop this ridiculous unbacked opinion making.

The evidence shows dorf would need three party members when taking him on.

What evidence? Prove. Your. Claim.

Originally posted by Utrigita
page two to page seven so far.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I see you avoid the question.

He means that as soon as the feats were posted, Ganondorf won.