Originally posted by OneDumbG0Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.^ Read the rules of this forum: 😂 indeed.
Still the fact remains SS can create as much Kryptonite as He wants. It is harmless to Superman and Red Sun radiation? Unless they are in a black hole it will not work.
Unless you come up with another technicallity Kryptonite made by SS does not work in Superman
^ Kryptonite is harmless to Superman, no matter the quantities? kinda x4.
Red sun radiation only works when SUperman is in a black hole? kinda x5.
Originally posted by -Pr-That's the usual measure, since most of the time we deal with Earth-bound heroes. Kryptonians, like Strontians apparently, are more well known throughout the universe. Like biensalsa is arguing, the fact that one alien race used weakening radiation against Gladiator is clear evidence that the knowledge is common for folks who are "well-traveled" throughout the universe like Surfer... after all... it couldn't have been Surfer's simple use of Cosmic Awareness. Nope.
it's the general knowledge of earth's public.
Alien races (and many Earth-bound foes for that matter) have used both kryptonite and red sun radiation against Kryptonians. It's therefore, according to biensalsa, common knowledge for well-traveled characters.
Surfer is a well-traveled character. He should get the benefit of the doubt the same way Earth-bound characters get the benefit of the doubt of being on Earth. If anything, Earth knowledge is something that Surfer has lacked ever since he escaped the planet. Surfer hasn't been bound to Earth in ages.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ Kryptonite is harmless to Superman, no matter the quantities? kinda x4.Red sun radiation only works when SUperman is in a black hole? kinda x5. That's the usual measure, since most of the time we deal with Earth-bound heroes. Kryptonians are apparently more well known throughout the universe. Like biensalsa is arguing, the fact that one alien race used weakening radiation against Gladiator is clear evidence that the knowledge is common for folks who are "well-traveled" throughout the universe like Surfer... after all... it couldn't have been Surfer's simple use of Cosmic Awareness. Nope.
Alien races have used kryptonite and red sun radiation against Kryptonians. It's therefore, according to biensalsa, common knowledge for well-traveled characters.
Surfer is a well-traveled character. He should get the benefit of the doubt the same way Earth-bound characters get the benefit of the doubt of being on Earth. If anything, Earth knowledge is something that Surfer has lacked ever since he escaped the planet. Surfer hasn't been bound to Earth in ages.
Yes it is harmless if it is not created by someone of his OWN universe
It has been established in DC universe that ONLY kryptonite from his OWN universe harms Kryptonians from that particular universe. AND ONLY Kryptonite molecularly trans-mutated from people of the same universe will harm kryptonians from that particular universe.
Silver Surfer do not enter in any of those categories. He is not from Superman’s Universe so He can create all the kryptonite He wants, the only problem is that it will not harm kryptonians from any universe, just kryptonians from the universe of the Silver Surfer. And everybody know that there is not “Kryptonians” in Marvel, Maybe it will harm “Superman’s counterpart” in Marvel Universe which is Gladiator
Here is the evidence
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman3.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/kill.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/kill2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/k.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/k2.jpg
Red Sun radiation? You have to consider that Superman retains more yellow sun energy based on his stress level, so unless he is doing it in a black room. I don’t see HOW he can achieve this.
Here is the evidence.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/SOURCES%20OF%20POWER/solarenergy.jpg
Also consieder that Under a red sun Superman was able to generate enoough energy to move a planet 16 times the size of earth.
Under how much stress you think Superman is going to be VS Silver Surfer?
Originally posted by biensalsaSince when is Superman-2 or Superman Prime = Superman? Particularly when Superman-Prime actually got hurt by alternate universe kryptonite? kinda x6.
Yes it is harmless if it is not created by someone of his OWN universeIt has been established in DC universe that ONLY kryptonite from his OWN universe harms Kryptonians from that particular universe. AND ONLY Kryptonite molecularly trans-mutated from people of the same universe will harm kryptonians from that particular universe.
Silver Surfer do not enter in any of those categories. He is not from Superman’s Universe so He can create all the kryptonite He wants, the only problem is that it will not harm kryptonians from any universe, just kryptonians from the universe of the Silver Surfer. And everybody know that there is not “Kryptonians” in Marvel, Maybe it will harm “Superman’s counterpart” in Marvel Universe which is Gladiator
Here is the evidence
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/superman3.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/kill.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/kill2.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/k.jpg
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/FACTS/k2.jpg
Originally posted by biensalsaThe same way characters have used red sun radiation against him all the time. Acting like he must be in a black hole for red sun radiation to work is more retarded than your HV ionization theory. Ruin didn't need a blackhole to hurt him. Dr. Faustus didn't need a blackhole to hurt him, twice. Hell... Superboy Prime didn't even need a blackhole to hurt him.
Red Sun radiation? You have to consider that Superman retains more yellow sun energy based on his stress level, so unless he is doing it in a black room. I don’t see HOW he can achieve this.Here is the evidence.
http://i647.photobucket.com/albums/uu200/biensalsa/Superman/SOURCES%20OF%20POWER/solarenergy.jpg
kinda x7.
Originally posted by biensalsaEnough stress that he still loses hard if Surfer uses the tactics... notwithstanding just being plain overpowered.
Also consieder that Under a red sun Superman was able to generate enoough energy to move a planet 16 times the size of earth.Under how much stress you think Superman is going to be VS Silver Surfer?
Originally posted by biensalsaI haven't been following this thread... But this statement is false.
It has been established in DC universe that ONLY kryptonite from his OWN universe harms Kryptonians from that particular universe. AND ONLY Kryptonite molecularly trans-mutated from people of the same universe will harm kryptonians from that particular universe.
Originally posted by -Pr-Not what the rule says:
They get earth general public knowledge. end of.
Originally posted by DigiIt's evident in practice. Alien GLs patrol the universe and have access to a large repository of knowledge. Salaak is limited to Earth knowledge when he fights Nova? Nonsensical.
Basic Knowledge
Each side receives basic knowledge of the other. A good measure of this would be what the general population of the character's homeworld knows. For example, that Superman has a weakness to Kryptonite is general knowledge, but that he's Clark Kent is not.
Originally posted by -Pr-Based on Kal-L and SUperman Prime? Particularly, except in the exact last two scans that biensalsa provided in a fit of irony? When Surfer fights Kal-L and Superman Prime, I'll forego the kryptonite argument.
It's been generally established that kryptonite has to be from the same universe to hurt the resident kryptonian.that's assuming Surfer could even do so.
red sun on the other hand is universal, and works.
Surfer's matter manipulation capabilities are unmatched by other High Heralds with perhaps the exception of Firestorm.
Tell biensalsa that.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Not what the rule says:It's evident in practice. Alien GLs patrol the universe and have access to a large repository of knowledge. Salaak is limited to Earth knowledge when he fights Nova? Nonsensical. Except in the exact last two scans that biensalsa provided in a fit of irony.
just because bada and i haven't updated it, doesn't mean anything.
the rule is earth knowledge. bada and i agreed on it. digi's post is outdated and no longer valid. we even referenced it in later posts.
Surfer's matter manipulation capabilities are unmatched by other High Heralds with perhaps the exception of Firestorm.
and?
Originally posted by -Pr-You'll need to clarify the rule then. Because that basic information didn't make it clear only Earth knowledge counts.
just because bada and i haven't updated it, doesn't mean anything.the rule is earth knowledge. bada and i agreed on it. digi's post is outdated and no longer valid. we even referenced it in later posts.
Also, it makes complete sense that say, alien GLs or Guardians only know what Marvel Earth folks know. Just as it makes sense that say, Watchers or Celestials only know what DC Earth folks know.
I'm sure this will make space-faring and cosmic-based character battles completely sensical now.
Originally posted by -Pr-Questioning Surfer's ability to transmute elements makes as much sense as questioning Firestorm's.
and?
Originally posted by -Pr-
just because bada and i haven't updated it, doesn't mean anything.the rule is earth knowledge. bada and i agreed on it. digi's post is outdated and no longer valid. we even referenced it in later posts.
That seems a bit illogical given that characters like, say, Metron, are completely unknown to DC Earth's general populace, but well known to his own homeworld as he's a New God. Not to mention all of the other cosmics out there. Using a character's homeworld is a bit more fair in covering situations like that (homeworld as in planet of operations, not for example Krypton for Supes).
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
You'll need to clarify the rule then. Because that basic information didn't make it clear only Earth knowledge counts.Also, it makes complete sense that say, alien GLs or Guardians only know what Marvel Earth folks know. Just as it makes sense that say, Watchers or Celestials only know what DC Earth folks know.
I'm sure this will make space-faring and cosmic-based character battles completely sensical now. Questioning Surfer's ability to transmute elements makes as much sense as questioning Firestorm's.
i wasn't questioning Surfer's powers.
Originally posted by illadelph12
That seems a bit illogical given that characters like, say, Metron, are completely unknown to DC Earth's general populace, but well known to his own homeworld as he's a New God. Not to mention all of the other cosmics out there. Using a character's homeworld is a bit more fair in covering situations like that (homeworld as in planet of operations, not for example Krypton for Supes).
ok, let me spell this out.
the character's native planet (or the main planet they operate on) is where the knowledge comes from. for most characters, it's their earth.
there are some exceptions (like the new gods), but someone like Superman wouldn't be one of them. Kilowog, say, would get whatever knowledge he has already plus that of DC Earth, and nothing else.
In the case of characters with no actual planet, vague general knowledge is given, like say for Surfer: Can fly. Can transmute. Can shoot energy blasts. Has something called power cosmic, etc.
Originally posted by -Pr-Ah.
i wasn't questioning Surfer's powers.
Originally posted by -Pr-Kilowog operates on Oa. Center of the universe.
ok, let me spell this out.the character's native planet (or the main planet they operate on) is where the knowledge comes from. for most characters, it's their earth.
there are some exceptions (like the new gods), but someone like Superman wouldn't be one of them. Kilowog, say, would get whatever knowledge he has already plus that of DC Earth, and nothing else.
Surfer operates all over the universe.
There's no commonality there?
Why are Earth-bound characters so special that they get to share the alternate Earth's knowledge within reason? Because that's where they mainly operate on, right? But widely space-faring characters get handicapped that they don't get to share the alternate universe's knowledge within reason? EVen though that's where they mainly operate in, no?
Originally posted by -Pr-This "vague general knowledge" comes from the common knowledge derived from the spaceways presumably since Surfer is so famous as being the Herald of Galactus, right?
In the case of characters with no actual planet, vague general knowledge is given, like say for Surfer: Can fly. Can transmute. Can shoot energy blasts. Has something called power cosmic, etc.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Ah. Kilowog operates on Oa. Center of the universe.Surfer operates all over the universe.
There's no commonality there?
Why are Earth-bound characters so special that they get to share the alternate Earth's knowledge within reason? Because that's where they mainly operate on, right? But widely space-faring characters get handicapped that they don't get to share the alternate universe's knowledge within reason? EVen though that's where they mainly operate in, no? This "vague general knowledge" comes from the common knowledge derived from the spaceways presumably since Surfer is so famous as being the Herald of Galactus, right?
No.
Kilowog gets his knowledge from Superman's planet, not his own. Superman gets his knowledge from Oa seeing as there's no Bolivax. This is how we handle cross universe matches.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
Since when is Superman-2 or Superman Prime = Superman? Particularly when Superman-Prime actually got hurt by alternate universe kryptonite? kinda x6. The same way characters have used red sun radiation against him all the time. Acting like he must be in a black hole for red sun radiation to work is more retarded than your HV ionization theory. Ruin didn't need a blackhole to hurt him. Dr. Faustus didn't need a blackhole to hurt him, twice. Hell... Superboy Prime didn't even need a blackhole to hurt him.kinda x7. Enough stress that he still loses hard if Surfer uses the tactics... notwithstanding just being plain overpowered.
You have there scans from modern superman using kryptonite that does not affected him.
You are just disregarding evidence
Even if surfer could depower SM you are just low balling him, he has been shown to get his powers back fast under a yellow sun, He has even survived a red giants core while under the same situation
Felix Faust? Come on HE IS USING MAGICAL RED SUN FLAMES and not even that KILLED HIM
SBP is not Surfer BY A LONG SHOT
When did Superman prime got hurted by alternate universe Kryptonite, even if it was true it can be based on ignorance of the writter, since MOST cases prove the contrary
And plain overpower by the Surfer 😂
In this kind of statements you can see when is worth to debate someone who has probably NEVER read a Superman comic other than DOS
No way Thor and Surfer can beat these three. First of all, Thor is slower and less mobile than everyone else here. He can't defend from a blitz from Superman and WW or WW and MM. Surfer while more powerful than anyone here isn't so powerful that he can resist magic lassos and tiaras, Super vision blasts, and MM intergalactic level TP.
"Questioning Surfer's ability to transmute elements makes as much sense as questioning Firestorm's. "
Who is questioning Surfer's capabilities of create elements?
NO ONE IS DOING THAT. Is just a simple rule that He can create as much Kryptonite as HE WANTS it will not work on Superman of Universe designated one or in any other Superman for that matter.
BY THIS RULE SS transmutated Kryptonite Will only work on a Kryptonian from SS universe.
Who is saying that He cannot transmutate Kryptonite?
