Grey Warden Commander vs. Link (TP)

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
What?

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Please prove me wrong and go find a video/valid statement that proves this armor doesn't allow Link to be damaged while in effect. Nope, but the armor's abilities definitely wouldn't last very long against them.

So since it is LoZ you can't be invincible?

So you don't even know how it works, so what grounds do you even have to claim it wouldn't make him invincible?

Actually he can't.

With even more hilariously superior logic amirite?

So it's a temporary thing now and dependent on what rupees ? In dragon age you can also heal yourself over and over again.

Against every kind of threat in fiction based on zelda threats-nope.

It's common sense he isn't even invincible only temporarily in the gameplay depending on factors I am unaware of but common sense tells me without even acquiring it. I is smartz.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So by this logic the stronger guy always wins, amirite ? You don't need to acquire the magic armor in tp. Think. So no force from anything can hurt him, right ? That's what you claim, right ?

So any force that hits him would be transfered to Link's rupees, thus preventing Link from taking the damage. So no force can hurt him according to gameplay mechanics, yes. Remember, you are the one that wanted to use gameplay.

Frost powers, fireball, petrify, lightning, etc.

All of which deal damage, and would thus not harm Link since they are attacking his rupees and not him.

You think missiles just bounce off him I get it. I just can't believe you'd ever have the audacity to claim invincible.

I never said they bounce off. However, the Master sword can reflect spells back at the caster. What I said is that they would not harm Link.

I've named numerous abilties such as petrify then shattering him, marking him with death and taking advantage of his weak points as a rogue, using enchantments to freeze or paralyze him while just dealing attacks.

You never named any of those before except for the rogue thing. None of those would really work, what with Link being unable to take damage, and the Master Sword and Triforce of Courage preventing other effects.

So dorf can't hurt him in this armor ?

No, not even Ganondorf can hurt Link in the Magic Armor. That's just how it works.

Nope.

I didn't think so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Then you failed to properly assess it.

Not really, all you do here is assume things about people and end up being wrong like saying it's obvious that I never played it, I actually played it recently. Then you try to argue in game mechanics when everyone who has been here longer than you have told you that in game mechanics is not a valid form of evidence here, if that was the case then all anyone would have to do to beat Mario is to slowly walk into him. You claim that mages don't miss but we've already talked about how they aren't hitting fast targets nor are the targets attempting to dodge. By your logic play the game, attack an enemy with a mage and see if they are trying to dodge. All the do is stand there and try to hit you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Where can I go from here if someone believes Link is unbeatable no matter who he faces in any genre if he has equipped his magical armor on.

So it's a temporary thing now and dependent on what rupees ? In dragon age you can also heal yourself over and over again.

Against every kind of threat in fiction based on zelda threats-nope.

It's common sense he isn't even invincible only temporarily in the gameplay depending on factors I am unaware of but common sense tells me without even acquiring it. I is smartz.

Easy go prove them wrong or admit defeat. Right now you're admitting defeat in the form of denial.

Do you even actually read and retain what people say? It's like you read a word and forget it when you read the next. Scenario already told you about the armor last page.

I'm positive the triforce is the weakest thing ever also ermm

So are you admitting that he is invincible for the duration then? Which is still enough time for mortal draw. Your common sense told you that magic armor which makes the wearer invulnerable has weak spots and the wearer is still capable of being damage, I don't see how that = smart

Link wins with his fists.

Originally posted by Wei Phoenix
Not really, all you do here is assume things about people and end up being wrong like saying it's obvious that I never played it, I actually played it recently. Then you try to argue in game mechanics when everyone who has been here longer than you have told you that in game mechanics is not a valid form of evidence here, if that was the case then all anyone would have to do to beat Mario is to slowly walk into him. You claim that mages don't miss but we've already talked about how they aren't hitting fast targets nor are the targets attempting to dodge. By your logic play the game, attack an enemy with a mage and see if they are trying to dodge. All the do is stand there and try to hit you.

If they are fast enough like the flash but like most comic book characters they are just too fast and powerful unlike videogame characters who lack 1/1000 of his speed. Kain isn't fast enough to fly past armies of humans either and was affected by Moebius a human with human reaction time. I always back myself up with in game instances. I don't just make things up and speculate.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
Easy go prove them wrong or admit defeat. Right now you're admitting defeat in the form of denial.

Do you even actually read and retain what people say? It's like you read a word and forget it when you read the next. Scenario already told you about the armor last page.

I'm positive the triforce is the weakest thing ever also ermm

So are you admitting that he is invincible for the duration then? Which is still enough time for mortal draw. Your common sense told you that magic armor which makes the wearer invulnerable has weak spots and the wearer is still capable of being damage, I don't see how that = smart

No, I am not and secondly he gets paralyzed and his speed is reduced due to enchantments. He loses every single time.

Originally posted by The Scenario
So any force that hits him would be transfered to Link's rupees, thus preventing Link from taking the damage. So no force can hurt him according to gameplay mechanics, yes. Remember, you are the one that wanted to use gameplay.

All of which deal damage, and would thus not harm Link since they are attacking his rupees and not him.

I never said they bounce off. However, the Master sword can reflect spells back at the caster. What I said is that they would not harm Link.

You never named any of those before except for the rogue thing. None of those would really work, what with Link being unable to take damage, and the Master Sword and Triforce of Courage preventing other effects.

No, not even Ganondorf can hurt Link in the Magic Armor. That's just how it works.

I didn't think so.

His rupees go down nontheless anyways and at an alarming rate too considering the damage done and the enchantmens slowing his movement speed and paralyzing him.

So you think now he isn't invincible. You rescind your claim.

Master sword can't reflect these spells which never miss.

Triforce of courage doesn't prevent him from being damaged in his own game. Quit ignoring how he is portrayed in his own game and making things up because you're unhappy he loses.

So dorf being all powerful means nothing as he can't even hurt Link in his magic armor. Wow. Poor dorf.

I disagreed with you.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Link isn't invincible nor does anyone really believe it. It also gameplay wise depends on available rupees so it's a mater of time and temporary either way which he still loses even if the warden can't harm him sooner or later he runs out of rupees and gets defeated.

No, I am not and secondly he gets paralyzed and his speed is reduced due to enchantments. He loses every single time.

I'll believe proof over your claims, Scenario posted proof of the armor making you invincible.

If nothing else can affect Link in the armor, which includes Zant's attacks with his power up from Ganondorf, Ganondorf himself, and Zelda's attack while possessed by Ganon. What could possibly make you think that people who are so much weaker magically could damage him? Actually post up some proof this time when you do make the claim that the wardens are more powerful and can actually affect Link in the armor.

So, what I'm seeing; Everyone here knows that Link could tear them apart with his bare hands. Magic armour is leet, sure, but why bother? It's just an extra unnecessary step. Really, to hell with all that, good old fist-fuelled violence.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So by this logic the stronger guy always wins, amirite ?

No.

I was asking because you said the Warrior could knock Link down. I demand the strength feats. If the Warrior has no strength feats, he cannot knock Link down.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am arguing based on their abilities and rogues and what not do try to dodge they just cannot they are unavoidable.

I'm playing DragonAge right now, just started with a Dwarf warrior tank last week. Show me an animation of any of the characters in the game dodging an attack in combat? I've never seen any of them dodge an attack, they just stand there and get hit. It just says "miss" at the top of their heads.

Rogues sometimes dodge, but it is not an elaborate one, they just kind of bob and weave.

I've seen a rogue lean back a little bit or lean to the left. Never outright move out of the way or anything. I don't think they're capable.

That's true, they only bob and weave, never do they that I can recall even shift their footing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Until he runs out of rupees. It's just a matter of time.

The Grey Warden does not have time before Link has Mortal Draw'd his face, instantly killing him.

His rupees go down nontheless anyways and at an alarming rate too considering the damage done and the enchantmens slowing his movement speed and paralyzing him.

Link still has Bomb Arrows. Can you prove the Grey Warden can take a bomb? And I'm still sure Link can resist those things or even dodge them.

So you think now he isn't invincible. You rescind your claim.

When did I say that? Link is unable to be damaged. Thus, invincible.

Master sword can't reflect these spells which never miss.

Prove they can't be reflected. Link has reflected spells before.

Triforce of courage doesn't prevent him from being damaged in his own game. Quit ignoring how he is portrayed in his own game and making things up because you're unhappy he loses.

I never said the Triforce of Courage prevents Link from being damaged. That's what the Magic Armor is for. The Triforce of courage just protects Link from transformation, corruption, and mental or dark effects, like the Fused Shadows or Mirror Shards.

So dorf being all powerful means nothing as he can't even hurt Link in his magic armor. Wow. Poor dorf.

I said Link was invincible, didn't I?

I disagreed with you.

I asked if you got the Magic Armor when you played Twilight Princess, and you...disagreed?

Originally posted by quanchi112
yes, they do. The game honors them and that's a different story. The warden has too many abilities with enchantable weapons here for Link to have a chance.

That didn't make any sense. The game honors them? What are you talking about? Look, by your logic, Squall and Cloud and anyone from a turn based RPG have to wait for their opponents to attack before they can, am I right? That's what you are saying right?

There are such things as game mechanics, which are the parts of a game that make it a game, and not a movie. Such as someone having health, rather than dieing from the first sword to go through their gut. Critical hits are game mechanics, they have no place in these debates.

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I'll believe proof over your claims, Scenario posted proof of the armor making you invincible.

If nothing else can affect Link in the armor, which includes Zant's attacks with his power up from Ganondorf, Ganondorf himself, and Zelda's attack while possessed by Ganon. What could possibly make you think that people who are so much weaker magically could damage him? Actually post up some proof this time when you do make the claim that the wardens are more powerful and can actually affect Link in the armor.

They paralyze him with their enchanted weapons and take away his rupees making him vulnerable. I mean even in his own game it's just a temporary type thing. It's very simple.

Originally posted by ScreamPaste
So, what I'm seeing; Everyone here knows that Link could tear them apart with his bare hands. Magic armour is leet, sure, but why bother? It's just an extra unnecessary step. Really, to hell with all that, good old fist-fuelled violence.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
No.

I was asking because you said the Warrior could knock Link down. I demand the strength feats. If the Warrior has no strength feats, he cannot knock Link down.

Originally posted by TacDavey
That didn't make any sense. The game honors them? What are you talking about? Look, by your logic, Squall and Cloud and anyone from a turn based RPG have to wait for their opponents to attack before they can, am I right? That's what you are saying right?

There are such things as game mechanics, which are the parts of a game that make it a game, and not a movie. Such as someone having health, rather than dieing from the first sword to go through their gut. Critical hits are game mechanics, they have no place in these debates.

Rogues abilities have to do with critical hits but of course you want to ignore it because you're biased.

Originally posted by The Scenario
The Grey Warden does not have time before Link has Mortal Draw'd his face, instantly killing him.

Link still has Bomb Arrows. Can you prove the Grey Warden can take a bomb? And I'm still sure Link can resist those things or even dodge them.

When did I say that? Link is unable to be damaged. Thus, invincible.

Prove they can't be reflected. Link has reflected spells before.

I never said the Triforce of Courage prevents Link from being damaged. That's what the Magic Armor is for. The Triforce of courage just protects Link from transformation, corruption, and mental or dark effects, like the Fused Shadows or Mirror Shards.

I said Link was invincible, didn't I?

I asked if you got the Magic Armor when you played Twilight Princess, and you...disagreed?

When did Link reflect a spell in tp ?

The trifroce just gives him courage. It's what dragon age characters have on their own without some artifact helping them have balls to fight the enemies they fight. In a sense this takes away from Link further because he needs something to help him have the necessary courage.

Link also has Midna aid him just like you said countless times because on his own he's unable to deal with most of the stuff which comes his way outside artifacts and weapons.

So if he's invincible the sun itself couldn't kill him right ?

I said nope meaning I did not get it. How can you always be so lost ?

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, I never said anything this ridiculous I just seek to include their in game abilities which you seem deadset on ignoring.

Rogues abilities have to do with critical hits but of course you want to ignore it because you're biased.

No, I'm not biased at all. For example, Links Mortal Draw wouldn't actually kill anything in one hit. It's a game mechanic. Just like critical hits and damage in general is a game mechanic. And I believe I just showed why game mechanics can't be used. You are simply clinging to them.

But hell, if you want to include game mechanics, lets go ahead and take a walk down that road. You can't pick and choose what game mechanics you want, you have to include them all if you want them there. So let's see... The Gray Warden can't dodge OR block any attacks except for the occasional lucky time when he actually does it. He has to attack in a fixed, rhythmic fashion with the exception of when he performs a skill, which he can't do all the time, since he has a set stamina and can't use any more skills once it runs out.

Link, however, can block whenever he wants and can perform back flips and side rolls to dodge attacks easily. He can also perform a wide range of skills, like helm splitter and mortal draw, etc etc. And he can do those infinitely. He also has an arsenal of weapons including bombs and arrows, and magic armor which makes him completely invincible. Oh, and Mortal Draw one hit kills anything.

Now tell me, with game mechanics turned on, who seems to be the winner of this fight?

Originally posted by quanchi112
I already debuffed that claim. Making someone temporarily invincible in their own game isn't the same thing as invincible outside of it. Common sense should be screaming in your ear hole by now.

They paralyze him with their enchanted weapons and take away his rupees making him vulnerable. I mean even in his own game it's just a temporary type thing. It's very simple.

Rogues abilities have to do with critical hits but of course you want to ignore it because you're biased.

No you didn't, you're just being biased against LoZ which I don't like nearly as much as the LLC on here but this is ridiculous. So Link's boots only make him heavier in his verse, his Zora armor allows him to breathe underwater only in LoZ, and might as well say the hook shot only hooks onto things in LoZ. This is like saying outside of the DC verse the Green Lantern's ring doesn't work or Wonder Woman's gauntlets not being indestructible outside of DC. It is stated that Magic armor is invulnerable to damage and unless you actually bring proof (which you never do anyway) it will remain the same.

You have yet to prove how any of those spells would even affect Link in his Magic armor which you have also yet to prove that it doesn't make the wearer invincible and even it is temporary it is well enough time for mortal draw(if you want to keep arguing gameplay mechanics).

Unless the ability you speak of is always a 100% chance of critical hit, it is 100% gameplay mechanic. This makes about as much sense as saying someone in FF will win cause they always have a 21% of a critical hit or they are equipped with an item that increases the chances of critical hit and still yet you can go for so many battles without ever seeing a critical hit.

Originally posted by TacDavey
Now tell me, with game mechanics turned on, who seems to be the winner of this fight?

The same guy who is winning with or without the gameplay mechanics?