Grey Warden Commander vs. Link (TP)

Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, he does. Most can also attack him before he gets close enough to even do so which also leaves him able to be killed with one hit. That's what you keep forgetting is he is just as susceptible.

You forget that Link has ranged attacks. Bomb Arrow blow the Warden to peices, or Link uses the clawshot to pull him closer and remove his face.

When did Link reflect a spell in tp ?

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The trifroce just gives him courage. It's what dragon age characters have on their own without some artifact helping them have balls to fight the enemies they fight. In a sense this takes away from Link further because he needs something to help him have the necessary courage.

You misunderstan the Triforce. It does not give him courage, he gets it because he is courageous. What the Triiforce of Courage does is this:
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It repelled the Shadow Beast, turned Link into a wolf rather than a spirit, and it seems to grant him extra strength.

Link also has Midna aid him just like you said countless times because on his own he's unable to deal with most of the stuff which comes his way outside artifacts and weapons.

How much does Midna actually do? All she does is act as transportation and not much else. Link is the one doing all the fighting.

So if he's invincible the sun itself couldn't kill him right ?

According to game mechanics, no, it could not. At least until the rupees run out.

I said nope meaning I did not get it. How can you always be so lost ?

I asked if you got the armor.
You said "nope."
I said I didn't think you had.
You said you disagreed with me.

That makes no sense. Though this is now off topic.

Originally posted by TacDavey
No, I'm not biased at all. For example, Links Mortal Draw wouldn't actually kill anything in one hit. It's a game mechanic. Just like critical hits and damage in general is a game mechanic. And I believe I just showed why game mechanics can't be used. You are simply clinging to them.

But hell, if you want to include game mechanics, lets go ahead and take a walk down that road. You can't pick and choose what game mechanics you want, you have to include them all if you want them there. So let's see... The Gray Warden can't dodge OR block any attacks except for the occasional lucky time when he actually does it. He has to attack in a fixed, rhythmic fashion with the exception of when he performs a skill, which he can't do all the time, since he has a set stamina and can't use any more skills once it runs out.

Link, however, can block whenever he wants and can perform back flips and side rolls to dodge attacks easily. He can also perform a wide range of skills, like helm splitter and mortal draw, etc etc. And he can do those infinitely. He also has an arsenal of weapons including bombs and arrows, and magic armor which makes him completely invincible. Oh, and Mortal Draw one hit kills anything.

Now tell me, with game mechanics turned on, who seems to be the winner of this fight?

Link can't block these attacks that's the thing and he has shoddy armor on. They also have paralysis and reduce movement speed on as enchantments making him a slow sitting duck.

Yeah, domination.

I already stated spells would affect him just not damage him in his magical armor. He could be frozen as his rupees when down with a variety of spells or attacks. When his rupees run out it's a wrap.

Originally posted by The Scenario
You forget that Link has ranged attacks. Bomb Arrow blow the Warden to peices, or Link uses the clawshot to pull him closer and remove his face.

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You misunderstan the Triforce. It does not give him courage, he gets it because he is courageous. What the Triiforce of Courage does is this:
YouTube video

It repelled the Shadow Beast, turned Link into a wolf rather than a spirit, and it seems to grant him extra strength.

How much does Midna actually do? All she does is act as transportation and not much else. Link is the one doing all the fighting.

According to game mechanics, no, it could not. At least until the rupees run out.

I asked if you got the armor.
You said "nope."
I said I didn't think you had.
You said you disagreed with me.

That makes no sense. Though this is now off topic.

That wasn't a spell it was an energy blast. There's a difference. It just hurt him. You really go extreme lengths despite Link's losing effort.

Ok and ? It didn't seem to grant him extra strength by any means nor was this explained. More speculation without any real proof.

Midna helps him countless times and actually helps him defeat dorf as a beast. Without her Link was nothing in this story.

That's because in the game they never hurt a sun at Link obviously no one would be silly enough to claim Link can survive the sun because a few arrows bounce off of him. His rupees run out anyways and he dies.

No, I made sense you misunderstood.

Originally posted by quanchi112
A critical hit is just a critical hit it doesn't one shot him or two shot him it's just a critical hit.

Link can't block these attacks that's the thing and he has shoddy armor on. They also have paralysis and reduce movement speed on as enchantments making him a slow sitting duck.

Yeah, domination.

I already stated spells would affect him just not damage him in his magical armor. He could be frozen as his rupees when down with a variety of spells or attacks. When his rupees run out it's a wrap.

You're missing the point. Critical hits are just like Mortal Draw in the fact that they are both game mechanics.

He has a shield! Which he can use to defend whenever he wants, unlike the gray warden, who can only block based off of his luck state, or whatever they use to determine when he blocks.

Uh, yeah. Domination. For Link.

1.) The stop effect only works for a short time.

2.) It isn't guaranteed to work AT ALL, since it only has a CHANCE to stop him.

Sorry, but stunning him by either stopping him or using a skill will not hold him long enough to break through his magic armor and all his health. And once the stop or stun runs out (if it even works in the first place) Link Mortal Draws him and kills him instantly.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, the arrow wouldn't blow him to pieces. Not even close with the abilities these characters have along with their healing abilities and or armor coupled with skill level.

Prove it.

That wasn't a spell it was an energy blast. There's a difference. It just hurt him. You really go extreme lengths despite Link's losing effort.

An energy blast made by magic. Otherwise known as a spell.

Ok and ? It didn't seem to grant him extra strength by any means nor was this explained. More speculation without any real proof.

He has more strength than a normal human. The only reasonable explanation would be if the Triforce granted it.

Midna helps him countless times and actually helps him defeat dorf as a beast. Without her Link was nothing in this story.

'K, so Midna helps for 1/4th of a boss fight. For some reason this means Link is helpless without her. No.

That's because in the game they never hurt a sun at Link obviously no one would be silly enough to claim Link can survive the sun because a few arrows bounce off of him. His rupees run out anyways and he dies.

He kills everyone before his rupees run out, obviously.

No, I made sense you misunderstood.

Quanchi, it's okay if you made a mistake. There's no need to defend yourself.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It's an ability in the game and we see the giant snow beast do so easily

Means nothing.

I feel left out cry

Originally posted by SpadeKing
I feel left out cry

It's okay. Have a drink.

cheers

Originally posted by TacDavey
You're missing the point. Critical hits are just like Mortal Draw in the fact that they are both game mechanics.

He has a shield! Which he can use to defend whenever he wants, unlike the gray warden, who can only block based off of his luck state, or whatever they use to determine when he blocks.

Uh, yeah. Domination. For Link.

1.) The stop effect only works for a short time.

2.) It isn't guaranteed to work AT ALL, since it only has a CHANCE to stop him.

Sorry, but stunning him by either stopping him or using a skill will not hold him long enough to break through his magic armor and all his health. And once the stop or stun runs out (if it even works in the first place) Link Mortal Draws him and kills him instantly.

Link hasn't faced off against someone with as many abilities and options as this grey warden.

1. Short time is all they need.

2.During the course of the battle more often than not one or both abilities will come into play once and it's lights out.

Mortal draw also leaves him open so if he uses this he dies before landing the hit.

Originally posted by The Scenario
Prove it.

An energy blast made by magic. Otherwise known as a spell.

He has more strength than a normal human. The only reasonable explanation would be if the Triforce granted it.

'K, so Midna helps for 1/4th of a boss fight. For some reason this means Link is helpless without her. No.

He kills everyone before his rupees run out, obviously.

Quanchi, it's okay if you made a mistake. There's no need to defend yourself.

No, it isn't a spell. It's an energy attack. It's also very returnable unlike the warden's spells which cannot be blocked.

Speculation.

She helps him the entire game against shadow beats, changing back, etc.

Not this warden maybe runts in tp.

I am right you are wrong.

Originally posted by FinalAnswer
Means nothing.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I am right you are wrong.

Scenario has proven his points. You haven't. If you can justify why you're right, then do it. Now.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Scenario has proven his points. You haven't. If you can justify why you're right, then do it. Now.

Show me the berserk ability so I can see why it would effect Link and the state it would put him in.

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Show me the berserk ability so I can see why it would effect Link and the state it would put him in.

If it is anything like a beserk ability in the FF verses that would backfire.

Originally posted by quanchi112
I don't post videos. I am not sure that's what it is even called.

Then at the least, tell me what the move does.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You're asking me to prove a negative. When has the bom arrow blown an enemy boss to bits ?

No, I'm asking you to prove durability. Bomb arrows have blown giant boulders to peices and a human wouldn't do any better.

No, it isn't a spell. It's an energy attack. It's also very returnable unlike the warden's spells which cannot be blocked.

It's a spell that makes an energy ball. Any magic ability is called a spell, no matter what it does. Prove the spells are unblockable, then.

Speculation.

But with evidence.

She helps him the entire game against shadow beats, changing back, etc.

Yeah, most things that don't involve fighting.

Not this warden maybe runts in tp.

Why not? Give a reason. Link is stronger, able to dodge, and has Magic Armor and powerful ranged attacks.

I am right you are wrong.

There's really no need for that.
Point proven. [/B][/QUOTE]

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Then at the least, tell me what the move does.

Originally posted by The Scenario
No, I'm asking you to prove durability. Bomb arrows have blown giant boulders to peices and a human wouldn't do any better.

It's a spell that makes an energy ball. Any magic ability is called a spell, no matter what it does. Prove the spells are unblockable, then.

But with evidence.

Yeah, most things that don't involve fighting.

Why not? Give a reason. Link is stronger, able to dodge, and has Magic Armor and powerful ranged attacks.

There's really no need for that.
Point proven.

They state in the game as it's loading spells are unblockable. It's an energy attack he isn't casting a spell nor is it the same thing as the mage spells in this game.

Nah just speculation.

She aids him with fighting as well. He'd have died without for aid in the game anyways.

Their abilities and I don't see Link as stronger either. Strength doesn't equal victory either.

No harm in bringing it up either.

And how is Beserk inflicted on her opponents? Does she just cast it, or does she have to hit them?

Originally posted by quanchi112
So why doesn't it destroy bosses in one blow then ?

Gameplay mechanics. Can kill Armoghoma though.

They state in the game as it's loading spells are unblockable. It's an energy attack he isn't casting a spell nor is it the same thing as the mage spells in this game.

Those spell have never faced Link. What makes them different so Link can't reflect them? If it's a projectile, Link can send it back.

Nah just speculation.

He threw Dangoro and Blizzeta across a room. Link is strong.

She aids him with fighting as well. He'd have died without for aid in the game anyways.

Prove it. What fighting?

Their abilities and I don't see Link as stronger either. Strength doesn't equal victory either.

As I've said before, I don't care what you see Link as. Just prove your claim. Link is strong enough to kill the Warden in one hit unless you can come up with some durability feats.

No harm in bringing it up either.

No, you're just being annoying arrogant.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So does the grey warden who can knock him down with his shield or stun him at will.

Link hasn't faced off against someone with as many abilities and options as this grey warden.

1. Short time is all they need.

2.During the course of the battle more often than not one or both abilities will come into play once and it's lights out.

Mortal draw also leaves him open so if he uses this he dies before landing the hit.

Not at will. He can knock him over, which downs Link for all of 5 seconds. The stun will wear of in about the same, never mind the fact that the Gray Warden can't have both skills at the same time since on is for sword and shield and the other is a rouge talent that can't use swords and shields. And you completely ignored the point about game mechanics, which is exactly what stunning and shield bash are.

Really? So the Gray Warden wins because he has a larger list of abilities? That's some spectacular logic there. Let's apply it to other things. Let's say I have a little blue creature that has 2000 abilities, except they all instantly kill the creature and do no damage to the enemy. By your line of reasoning, the little blue dude wins, cause he has more abilities.

1. Wrong. He would need to break through his magic armor and all of Links hearts, which are what, 20 or so?

2. Again, no, I'm sorry. Even with BOTH coming into play, there isn't a guarantee they will work and they only stun someone for a few seconds Not NEAR enough time to whittle down Link's magic armor and health.

Link can take all the hits he wants on his magic armor while dealing the Mortal Draw. Let's not confuse ourselves here. The Gray Warden doesn't have any instant kill moves. It will take a NUMBER of hits before he can drop Link. Link only needs ONE and the battle is over.

This fight is done. If you want to include game mechanics there is no contest. Link Mortal Draws him and it's over. End of story.

Then again, if you want to ditch game mechanics, like your suppose to in a debate like this, we can go on to really discuss who would win in a fight.