Thanos/Darkseid vs WWH/Superman/Wonder Woman/Thor

Originally posted by iceman24567
He doesn't need strength feats to smack current Hulk around like he did Lord Marvell 😬

Who told you that Lord Mar-Vell was as strong as the Hulk? This is a H2H thread, not who has the most uber blast yield, and even if it wasn't, there is still no proof to claim that Lord-Marvell could beat the current Hulk if he did use all of his power.

Perhaps you could use the Surfers ability to defeat the Hulk while Mar-Vell did well against the Surfer. This however would be a faulty assessment on your part, because Norrin used to be able to gamma drain Banner.

Originally posted by iceman24567
Both Herc and She Hulk lack top tier durability though and she Hulk is high end 100 tons

So does Adam Warlock, and Quasar but I've seen them rated as Heralds. Hercules really doesn't lack durability, I agree with your She Hulk assessment. What about Ares? He nearly killed A-Bomb, and recently Rick tore it up with a Godzilla level monster, and won. The Hulk one shotted him.

Originally posted by Nihilist
nearly sank the Eastern Seaboard....with the aid of shit loads of gamma that was wrecking building and opening the ground before he even took a step, and all these "feats" mean nothing when it comes to direct h2h combat, when it we clear he doesnt have the power to beat down top tier guys like Sentry who are below Thanos.

Skaar had Hulk on his knees and at his mercy and had to be saved by Red She Hulk.

It was his foot falls that caused the Eastern Seaboard to nearly sink, and he was holding back, at this level of power he essentially became a walking gamma bomb. You're going to bring the Hulks capability to handle himself in a fist fight up? When did the current Hulk ever show that he was an inept fighter? I need to read this, just show me one issue.

The Hulk was also fighting his SON... what father that has been portrayed the way that Banner has been (Character wise) would fight his own SON the way he fought Onslaught? He was holding back, or when he casually pushed Skaar to the ground, he would have jumped on him and pummeled him into Sleeps-Ville.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i wouldn't go that far.

Sentry wasn't playing with the Hulk when he punched him through a building though, and he was easily as confident, and mentally sorted as he was when he crushed Terrax's hand, and snapped his axe like a twig. This shows that the Hulk can hang with High Heralds and win.

Originally posted by Nihilist
By who Cho and others, funny Hulk himself iirc never said anything like that., and all that was before he went nuts and couldnt put down Miek.

He could have killed Miek with ease, but that would be way out of character for him. The Hulk isn't normally a killer, but he would kill if the reason justified the action. Many people should remember that the Hulk isn't really a character that you can place in a tier under mid Herald. He does not have a cap on his abilities like most.

Originally posted by Stoic
Sentry wasn't playing with the Hulk when he punched him through a building though, and he was easily as confident, and mentally sorted as he was when he crushed Terrax's hand, and snapped his axe like a twig. This shows that the Hulk can hang with High Heralds and win.

i don't think he was THAT mentally there. he was powerful, sure, but rational? god no.

Originally posted by -Pr-
i don't think he was THAT mentally there. he was powerful, sure, but rational? god no.

You're right in one way, because it stated such. He was clearly in ecstasy while fighting the Hulk and he even stated that it felt good to finally be able to unleash his power. This being said... the Hulk was able to tank that kind of exposure. Do you remember how easily the Sentry penetrated Dooms defenses? Well this is the same guy that burned out his power, while facing Banner. The Hulk was steadily growing in power during his battle with the Sentry. Also it should be noted that being hit by Skaar is no walk in the park, as the Juggernaut can attest to this. Here's a hidden joke; the very fruit of Hulks loins is tougher than the Thing, and the collective power of his team mates.

The Reynold's/Sentry persona was pretty stable in that fight. At that point his problem was the he liked unleashing his power too much. He couldn't stop. He wasn't scared of going outside or seeing the bogeyman under his bed.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're right in one way, because it stated such. He was clearly in ecstasy while fighting the Hulk and he even stated that it felt good to finally be able to unleash his power. This being said... the Hulk was able to tank that kind of exposure. Do you remember how easily the Sentry penetrated Dooms defenses? Well this is the same guy that burned out his power, while facing Banner. The Hulk was steadily growing in power during his battle with the Sentry. Also it should be noted that being hit by Skaar is no walk in the park, as the Juggernaut can attest to this. Here's a hidden joke; the very fruit of Hulks loins is tougher than the Thing, and the collective power of his team mates.

That wasn't an ordinary skaar, skaar was amped in that fight against hulk at tremendous levels of power. Skaar during that fight was one of the most powerful beings on the planet.

Originally posted by carver9
That wasn't an ordinary skaar, skaar was amped in that fight against hulk at tremendous levels of power. Skaar during that fight was one of the most powerful beings on the planet.

Oh I know, I have the comic, but it was still his son, and he could have easily continued his assault by leaping on Skaar after he shoved him to the ground. The Hulk only really took his belt off when Skaar told him about what he had done to his mom.

Originally posted by Stoic
Oh I know, I have the comic, but it was still his son, and he could have easily continued his assault by leaping on Skaar after he shoved him to the ground. The Hulk only really took his belt off when Skaar told him about what he had done to his mom.

Yeah... it was pretty obvious hulk was holding back in that fight. He shoved skaar to the side like a nuisance then he was saving lives while skaar was pounding on him.

Originally posted by Stoic
You're right in one way, because it stated such. He was clearly in ecstasy while fighting the Hulk and he even stated that it felt good to finally be able to unleash his power. This being said... the Hulk was able to tank that kind of exposure. Do you remember how easily the Sentry penetrated Dooms defenses? Well this is the same guy that burned out his power, while facing Banner. The Hulk was steadily growing in power during his battle with the Sentry. Also it should be noted that being hit by Skaar is no walk in the park, as the Juggernaut can attest to this. Here's a hidden joke; the very fruit of Hulks loins is tougher than the Thing, and the collective power of his team mates.

i never argued that the hulk wasn't powerful. 😛

Originally posted by carver9
Why would hulk tell people that he was holding back when his entire purpose of being on the planet in the first place was to scare the sh** out o them?

Don't ignore on panel evidence. Like I said, it ws mentioned more than once that hulk was holding back and this current hulk is more powerful than wwh.

Originally posted by carver9
The art shows radiation oozing from his body but the art also show everything going haywire when he took that first step and hulk himself admitted that it was his footstep that did the damage and this is a hulk with banner mind so I'm pretty sure he knew what ability he was using to rock the eastern seaboard.

Originally posted by Stoic

He could have killed Miek with ease, but that would be way out of character for him. The Hulk isn't normally a killer, but he would kill if the reason justified the action. Many people should remember that the Hulk isn't really a character that you can place in a tier under mid Herald. He does not have a cap on his abilities like most.

Originally posted by Nihilist
So you are only going on other peoples words then, and its clear he wasnt holding back when he tried to kill Miek(and failed) and his fight with Sentry he wasnt holding back.
Current Hulk in not more powerful than WWH at all, and has done nothing to suggest so.

He did not try to kill Miek, he was merely upset that Miek had harmed Rick. It's not in Banner's character to unjustifiably kill a person/bugman who he referred to as being a friend. Could he have killed Miek? Without a doubt, absolutely yes.

You are correct, Banner is currently the same persona as he was in the WW Hulk arc. he's Hulk/Banner not Banner/Hulk.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Just face the facts he wasnt strong enough to put Miek down, and he did have reason to kill him as he thought Miek had just killed his best pal Rick Jones.

I know that you don't believe this, but feel free to play the game... Just know that you are in the playground alone.

Originally posted by Stoic
He did not try to kill Miek, he was merely upset that Miek had harmed Rick. It's not in Banner's character to unjustifiably kill a person/bugman who he referred to as being a friend. Could he have killed Miek? Without a doubt, absolutely yes.

You are correct, Banner is currently the same persona as he was in the WW Hulk arc. he's Hulk/Banner not Banner/Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
I know that you don't believe this, but feel free to play the game... Just know that you are in the playground alone.

Originally posted by Nihilist
If he did not try to kill him the why did he fight the warbound off from protecing Miek and the carry on pummeling Miek when he was on the floor in a prone position. And imo he couldnt of killed Miek easily as we saw he hits and stomped Miek about 5-6 times, if that would of been Thanos doing it Miek would have been dead.

Thanos has a different character than Banner does. Thanos would kill his own mother... oh wait he did. Banner just gave Miek a controlled beating, and yes he could have killed him if he had wanted to, he did not, and Miek was spared.

Originally posted by Nihilist
Iv'e told you trying to be funny and smart doesnt work for you, so are you saying he wasnt pissed about Miek attacking Rick Jones?

Then stop playing the deceit game, because it's tiresome. Yes he was pissed but evidently not pissed enough to take a life, and especially not one that he calls a friend. Also who said that I was trying to be funny?

Originally posted by carver9
When did wwh fight surfer in a mele fight? Numerous of people fought savage hulk and bested him because his rage isn't in check like wwh hulk rage is. Like I told you before... wwh bested a being that was in the 100 trillion strength mark... thanos isnt standing up to strength like that.

Thanos would maul WW Hulk. I mean get back to me when his strength makes a top tier look pedestrian by comparison and when you do it's still not enough.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
That was my stance too but I believe it was mostly a strength feat at this point. I do think that his energy output factored into it to some extent -perhaps spreading the effect over a greater area underground as seen by the gamma emissions- but at the same time the heroes who stood beside him when he went World Breaker who albeit were tossed around weren't damaged in any significant way so I doubt the energy generation had to much of an impact.

Green Scar would take on Thanos hand to hand and I'd bet on him as the winner if he had enough motivation for winning. Not acknowledging that as a possibility is just deluding yourself. Dem's the breaks. Hulk's moved up the food chain.

True he f*cked the Hulk up with his sand attack but we all know that the scene doesn't correlate as to how well the Hulk could take a punch.

Originally posted by quanchi112
They fought in planet hulk when both were depowered. WW Hulk has comparable strength to Thor albeit he's stronger but the difference isn't enormous but Thanos stood toe to toe with Thor with the power gem and was having a grand old time.

Thanos would maul WW Hulk. I mean get back to me when his strength makes a top tier look pedestrian by comparison and when you do it's still not enough.

Green scar has nothing to warrant him taking on Thanos by any means. He can't even successfully destroy top tiers with ease yet Thanos does it effortlessly.

There really is no proof that Thor was drawing on the Power Gems amp, so as far as we can tell Thanos was only fighting an incredibly pissed Thor. The only time that it ever stated that his strength was growing exponentially, was when he was finally subdued within the force block. There however is a proven fact that The Hulk can surpass Thanos in strength.

Thanos has never once displayed any strength feats on panel, to even be considered as strong as the Hulk. Not his higher end strength feats at least. The Surfer can drain Banner, or simply piggy back on his power and match him ton for brutal ton. This however is not the same thing as lifting as much as the Hulk while unaided, or without leeching from the very power that makes the Hulk the Hulk.

You say that the Hulk did not walk all over a top tier? Ares was a top tier as he proved by handling A-Bomb, and he was one shotted by the Hulk, Colossus is a top tier, and he was crushed with very little effort, actually the Hulk was smiling as he crushed metal arms that remained intact, after being blasted by the Beyonder (ref. Secret Wars). The top of the line Herald was burned the f@ck out and could no longer remain in his super form (Sentry). After that very same fight what did we see? We saw the Hulk's power grow so great, that the waves of power generated from a mere footfall not only nearly sank the eastern seaboard, but the quake itself jostled the helicopters that weren't even on the ground, but that were in the air.

Now imagine this, he could have grown even more powerful till he made that feat look infinitesimally puny in comparison. No Thanos is not stronger than the WW Hulk.

Originally posted by Stoic
There really is no proof that Thor was drawing on the Power Gems amp, so as far as we can tell Thanos was only fighting an incredibly pissed Thor. The only time that it ever stated that his strength was growing exponentially, was when he was finally subdued within the force block. There however is a proven fact that The Hulk can surpass Thanos in strength.

Thanos has never once displayed any strength feats on panel, to even be considered as strong as the Hulk. Not his higher end strength feats at least. The Surfer can drain Banner, or simply piggy back on his power and match him ton for brutal ton. This however is not the same thing as lifting as much as the Hulk while unaided, or without leeching from the very power that makes the Hulk the Hulk.

You say that the Hulk did not walk all over a top tier? Ares was a top tier as he proved by handling A-Bomb, and he was one shotted by the Hulk, Colossus is a top tier, and he was crushed with very little effort, actually the Hulk was smiling as he crushed metal arms that remained intact, after being blasted by the Beyonder (ref. Secret Wars). The top of the line Herald was burned the f@ck out and could no longer remain in his super form (Sentry). After that very same fight what did we see? We saw the Hulk's power grow so great, that the waves of power generated from a mere footfall not only nearly sank the eastern seaboard, but the quake itself jostled the helicopters that weren't even on the ground, but that were in the air.

Now imagine this, he could have grown even more powerful till he made that feat look infinitesimally puny in comparison. No Thanos is not stronger than the WW Hulk.