Originally posted by StoicWhat the hell are you talking about, we are talking about WWH being restrained by Korg when he was ultra pissed at Miek, not what he did to Miek and Miek is a strong/durable guy at all as he has no feats to back it up.Fact WWH got restrained by people far weaker than restrained Thanos, dont blame me for the comparison, as you started the whole "he was restrained so he cant compete thing".You may have somehow missed the point of the Hulk not being a killer, or having tendancies that drifted towards him killing a close friend. Miek, got a beating, this is all that he got. Just remember that Miek was also a very strong character, and could take a certain amount of abuse. Could Banner have killed him if he wanted to? Of course, but it's not in his character to do that.
As for restraining Thanos, I would like to see the same guys that restrained Thanos attempt to restrain the Hulk when he went ape shit on Onslaught. If the Hulk fought Thanos and went completely wild on him, Thanos would be in for the fight of his life, or he would have to teleport the Hulk (BFR) to places unknown. [/B]Thor and Proff Hulk, 2 class 100 guys could restrain Onslaught Hulk, all he was Savage Hulk at best, and if you notice at the time Thanos isnt exactly fighting to get free as he is talking to Dr Strange. Onslaught Hulk aint nothing special, all he did was trade a few punches and get knocked clean out be a energy blast, something Thanos could to him with ease.
Originally posted by Stoic
Listen when you are a class 100+ character, how hard would it actually be to slap a 1,200 pound character across the room? How hard would it be to grab two guys, one weighing 570 pound, and the other weighing 1,200 pounds and make them head butt each other? My answer is not very hard at all. The Thing is nothing, I've seen Thanos grab Ben, and spin him around with one arm. He can one shot the Thing. Did you honestly see Thanos KO the Hulk without the use of the IG? I did not, if you or anyone else saw this could you please post it. Thanos and the Hulk have never once had a one vs one fight.Let's say that Thanos fought the current Hulk, and decided not to use his shields or to bfr him. Just a straight up slug it out, and Thanos could use his plasma punches to amp the damage. I see the both of them having a decent fight.. I could see Thanos taking some, but I see the hulk taking some as well. Many people refuse to see how hard it really is to actually put the Hulk down. When he fought the Sentry he got chipped up, but in the end it was Sentry with black eyes, and bloody face, while the Hulk was ready for a few more rounds.
The Nexus of reality: Thanos specifically said, that the forces of the Nexus was trying to [b]Dichotomize
him. This means that it was hitting him on an abstract level, a metaphysical level. Look up the word Dichotomy, and tell me what you understand in its definition. If Thanos did not use that word, I would agree that it was a purely physical experience. It wasn't, it was a mental experience, that had physical ramifications. Ron Lim attempted to keep up with the writer, but unfortunately he fell short, as many artist would, if tasked with graphically illustrating the principles of an epistemological dichotomy, or dichotomies.I'm not trying to be a smart ass on this one, but if you don't believe me speak to a Psyche Professor, but just be prepared for a mind jarring experience... this is pretty much what Thanos went through when travelling to the Nexus (A mind jarring experience).
Now what we saw was Thanos sitting there, while understanding the concept or concepts of what it would be like to be picked apart by one dichotomy, and put back together by another, only to be picked apart by the last one. Which as he said, a lesser being (in the mind) would have been destroyed.
This is of course unless you are under the belief that Thanos is so durable that he could withstand reality warps. Not even Galactus is above reality. I feel as if my effort to explain the concept to you may be lost, so feel free to run with your understanding, and I'll go with what I read in a book on the very complex subject of dichotomies, and the human psyche. Just to tell you, it was not Thanos that healed himself, as he was never injured physically, it was... awww man just forget it, it would take far too long to explain, and I have to study like a madman.
Galactus has been KO'd more times than Thanos has. It's all about plot, and if Thanos was in his own ongoing series that had over 500 appearances of him, you can bet your bottom dollar that his KO rate would climb to astronomical levels. Let me put it to you this way, a non jobbing Hulk would not be one shotted by Thanos even if he used plasma punches on him, it would hurt, even bust him open, but the Hulk would heal, and give Thanos the business as well. like I said above, I believe that Thanos could take a few victories, but on the same token, I can also see the Hulk taking a few. However, numbers are against Thanos in this thread, and none of these characters are on the same level as the Thing.
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You're honestly trying to sound like h1a8… He would say about the same scene… oooo nech muscles aren't very strong so all Thanos was overpowering were neck muslces lol. You have to look at the PLAIN PRESENTATION of the comic and WHAT the writer was trying to get across. Not neck muscles or how hard would it be to smash to guys heads together (which was a bad example because I darn you to ever post or have viewed a fight where it was two on 1 and the 1 guy smashed the other two heads together) It wouldn't happen.. wanna know why.. because it would be very difficult and you would have two guys physically resisting you. You would have to physically overpower them both like rag dolls to make that happen. Cool that works for me as that is exactly what we saw happen. The point is you need to look at the writers intent… When he showed you Thanos doing that to both of those guys and then having Thanos say.. "you call yourselves strong.. I am strength personified" WHAT WHAT WHAT was the writer trying to get across. I mean honestly a 5th grader could look at the nice pictures and words and come to the logical and easy conclusion that Thanos is stronger than both of them and very easily at that. So you tell me, what do YOU think the writer was trying to get across? You know the answer you just don't wanna admit it.
We keep on going in circles about this scene.. I understand the word and understand fully what you are trying to say.. Nothing is lost on me. So while I do agree this was an aspect of it… it artist clearly ALSO made it physical as well. You can't dismiss it because YOU think he didn't draw it correctly or how you wanted it draw. He drew Thanos physically melting away and reforming over and over. You can't go.. well it was shown to be physical but I don't buy it, that was a mistake. It doesn’t work that way at all. I agree it was both and he was be taxed both mentally and physically based on the narration and artwork. However, to say it's only mental and use rabbid speculation that he just drew it wrong it not only terrible logic but defies how this site works and the rules we are govern by when arguing.
The fact is Thanos has many many appearances… You act like he has 10.. He has 100's of appearances.. and yet in all those appearances he isn't shown to be KO'd by blunt force trauma ONE TIME not ONE TIME. So no, if he had 500 appearances why on God's green earth would I think he would be KO'd left and right now? That defies common sense… Right now he's batting 1000.. why would I think he would be batting 300 just because he has 300 more appearances. Come on man, do you actually listen to the arguments you are trying to present?
Listen, I'm not saying it would be a cake walk in the least… If it's WWH against Thanos one v one and it's only h2h.. I don't think Thanos would just slap him away and it would be easy. That is WWH thing and what he excels at, that along with his healing factor and increasing strength would make it tough. However, while that is his strong suit.. it clearly is also Thanos's. If it's established in his history that he does VERY well against blunt force trauma and never ever been KO'd by it… Why would we think WWH would do any better. That is playing right into Thanos hands. You seem to be under the impression that Thanos doesn't have a healing factor.. DO YOU THINK he doesn't? I mean honestly.. you keep talking like he doesn't.. He's an eternal.. a mutant eternal at that.. He doesn't need to breath, eat, he doesn't age conventionally… Whatever Hulk would dish out he would just heal from pretty quickly and easily.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're honestly trying to sound like h1a8… He would say about the same scene… oooo nech muscles aren't very strong so all Thanos was overpowering were neck muslces lol. You have to look at the PLAIN PRESENTATION of the comic and WHAT the writer was trying to get across. Not neck muscles or how hard would it be to smash to guys heads together (which was a bad example because I darn you to ever post or have viewed a fight where it was two on 1 and the 1 guy smashed the other two heads together) It wouldn't happen.. wanna know why.. because it would be very difficult and you would have two guys physically resisting you. You would have to physically overpower them both like rag dolls to make that happen. Cool that works for me as that is exactly what we saw happen. The point is you need to look at the writers intent… When he showed you Thanos doing that to both of those guys and then having Thanos say.. "you call yourselves strong.. I am strength personified" WHAT WHAT WHAT was the writer trying to get across. I mean honestly a 5th grader could look at the nice pictures and words and come to the logical and easy conclusion that Thanos is stronger than both of them and very easily at that. So you tell me, what do YOU think the writer was trying to get across? You know the answer you just don't wanna admit it.We keep on going in circles about this scene.. I understand the word and understand fully what you are trying to say.. Nothing is lost on me. So while I do agree this was an aspect of it… it artist clearly ALSO made it physical as well. You can't dismiss it because YOU think he didn't draw it correctly or how you wanted it draw. He drew Thanos physically melting away and reforming over and over. You can't go.. well it was shown to be physical but I don't buy it, that was a mistake. It doesn’t work that way at all. I agree it was both and he was be taxed both mentally and physically based on the narration and artwork. However, to say it's only mental and use rabbid speculation that he just drew it wrong it not only terrible logic but defies how this site works and the rules we are govern by when arguing.
The fact is Thanos has many many appearances… You act like he has 10.. He has 100's of appearances.. and yet in all those appearances he isn't shown to be KO'd by blunt force trauma ONE TIME not ONE TIME. So no, if he had 500 appearances why on God's green earth would I think he would be KO'd left and right now? That defies common sense… Right now he's batting 1000.. why would I think he would be batting 300 just because he has 300 more appearances. Come on man, do you actually listen to the arguments you are trying to present?
Listen, I'm not saying it would be a cake walk in the least… If it's WWH against Thanos one v one and it's only h2h.. I don't think Thanos would just slap him away and it would be easy. That is WWH thing and what he excels at, that along with his healing factor and increasing strength would make it tough. However, while that is his strong suit.. it clearly is also Thanos's. If it's established in his history that he does VERY well against blunt force trauma and never ever been KO'd by it… Why would we think WWH would do any better. That is playing right into Thanos hands. You seem to be under the impression that Thanos doesn't have a healing factor.. DO YOU THINK he doesn't? I mean honestly.. you keep talking like he doesn't.. He's an eternal.. a mutant eternal at that.. He doesn't need to breath, eat, he doesn't age conventionally… Whatever Hulk would dish out he would just heal from pretty quickly and easily.
Same for Hulk... whatever Thanos dish out, hulk would just heal from it pretty quickly and easily.
Carver
Originally posted by Nihilist
@ CarverJust notice your statement about Pak saying Thanos wouldnt beat WWH, thats a lie he was asked the question "Would WWH beat the likes of Mangog or Thanos, he replied "no mortal walking the earth would stand a chance against that Hulk.
Also Marvel Editor said Thanos would have been able to beat WWH , go to his forumspring page to read it.
Originally posted by carver9
Same for Hulk... whatever Thanos dish out, hulk would just heal from it pretty quickly and easily.
Not true at all carver... Thanos has been in many many comics and never been KO'd via blunt force trauma.. He's only been KO'd via energy attacks.. Hulk on the other hand has been KO'd countless more times... So no Hulk can't take whatever Thanos can dish out as he's been KO'd by less than what Thanos can dish out.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're honestly trying to sound like h1a8… He would say about the same scene… oooo nech muscles aren't very strong so all Thanos was overpowering were neck muslces lol. You have to look at the PLAIN PRESENTATION of the comic and WHAT the writer was trying to get across. Not neck muscles or how hard would it be to smash to guys heads together (which was a bad example because I darn you to ever post or have viewed a fight where it was two on 1 and the 1 guy smashed the other two heads together) It wouldn't happen.. wanna know why.. because it would be very difficult and you would have two guys physically resisting you. You would have to physically overpower them both like rag dolls to make that happen. Cool that works for me as that is exactly what we saw happen. The point is you need to look at the writers intent… When he showed you Thanos doing that to both of those guys and then having Thanos say.. "you call yourselves strong.. I am strength personified" WHAT WHAT WHAT was the writer trying to get across. I mean honestly a 5th grader could look at the nice pictures and words and come to the logical and easy conclusion that Thanos is stronger than both of them and very easily at that. So you tell me, what do YOU think the writer was trying to get across? You know the answer you just don't wanna admit it.We keep on going in circles about this scene.. I understand the word and understand fully what you are trying to say.. Nothing is lost on me. So while I do agree this was an aspect of it… it artist clearly ALSO made it physical as well. You can't dismiss it because YOU think he didn't draw it correctly or how you wanted it draw. He drew Thanos physically melting away and reforming over and over. You can't go.. well it was shown to be physical but I don't buy it, that was a mistake. It doesn’t work that way at all. I agree it was both and he was be taxed both mentally and physically based on the narration and artwork. However, to say it's only mental and use rabbid speculation that he just drew it wrong it not only terrible logic but defies how this site works and the rules we are govern by when arguing.
The fact is Thanos has many many appearances… You act like he has 10.. He has 100's of appearances.. and yet in all those appearances he isn't shown to be KO'd by blunt force trauma ONE TIME not ONE TIME. So no, if he had 500 appearances why on God's green earth would I think he would be KO'd left and right now? That defies common sense… Right now he's batting 1000.. why would I think he would be batting 300 just because he has 300 more appearances. Come on man, do you actually listen to the arguments you are trying to present?
Listen, I'm not saying it would be a cake walk in the least… If it's WWH against Thanos one v one and it's only h2h.. I don't think Thanos would just slap him away and it would be easy. That is WWH thing and what he excels at, that along with his healing factor and increasing strength would make it tough. However, while that is his strong suit.. it clearly is also Thanos's. If it's established in his history that he does VERY well against blunt force trauma and never ever been KO'd by it… Why would we think WWH would do any better. That is playing right into Thanos hands. You seem to be under the impression that Thanos doesn't have a healing factor.. DO YOU THINK he doesn't? I mean honestly.. you keep talking like he doesn't.. He's an eternal.. a mutant eternal at that.. He doesn't need to breath, eat, he doesn't age conventionally… Whatever Hulk would dish out he would just heal from pretty quickly and easily.
You are plainly ignoring that the Hulk has partners in this thread, as well as the fact that Thanos is not as strong as the Hulk, nor does Thanos have unlimited strength. You don't seem to understand that the Hulk is never on a fixed level of strength, or durability (with the exception of Professor Hulk.) Thanos in that scene clearly exploited both the Hulk, and the Things center of gravity. I don't care what you believe would have happened to the Thing, he would not have KO'd the Hulk by head butting him into the Thing.
You can stop using this scene in an attempt to validate any relevant point that you feel that you may have.
The same thing would apply to the Hulk, if he got his hands on Thanos, and exploited his center of gravity, Thanos would have to go for the ride until it was over. Would this have put Thanos out of the fight? No.
You've been hanging onto the same argument in your every post, and yet none of them acknowledges the fact that the Hulk has the power to heal from everything that Thanos can dish. You even refuse to admit that the Hulk can easily exceed Thanos' strength when he has done so time and again in other comic appearances. It is not me that needs to supply proof that the Hulk is stronger than Thanos, it is you that needs to supply the proof that Thanos can hang with the Hulk as his strength grows to monstrous proportions.
Professor Hulk is not valid proof, as he might as well be an entirely different character, and even in that instance, you still have no proof that Thanos defeated him. Their battle was cut short.
I can almost guarantee that your next post will completely ignore the Hulks dynamic strength. The only guy in this thread that can possibly kick it up to the Hulks levels is Superman, while sun dipping, the rest remain on a fixed level, with Thor also being able to break the mold in Warrior Madness mode. Thanos however can not. If Thanos could exceed his own strength level, we would have seen him do this with the Champion, but what did he do? He hid behind his shield, and watched in horror as they began to buckle (seen on panel). Can the Hulk kick it up to the level of strength that Champion was operating on? Yes he can, it's a part of his power set. Do you have a hard time believing that Hulk could destroy Thanos little Trouble Bubble? What do you think is more powerful, Thanos' shield, or a dimensional barrier? I'm going with the dimensional barrier.
Like I said, I completely expect you to ignore these points and continue campaigning Thanos' run in with Professor Hulk, who himself had to be shrunken to the size of a mouse in order for Thanos to get him off of him (or did you forget about that?) The Current Hulk is an entirely different beast.
To be honest Thanos has about 60 - 70 appearances, whereas the Hulk has 1000's (if we add his various cameos in other comics besides his own). Plot dictates that all characters must eventually meet defeat. Thanos does not have an ongoing series, and if he did he too would have lost several times. Even the Juggernaut has met defeat due to plot. How many times has a new comer come along, and smashed the hero of the story, only to meet defeat later on by that same hero under the same circumstances? It happens to Superman all of the time.
Has Superman beaten guys in his entire history that outstrip Thanos in power? Yes he has. You clearly missed the meaning of what a dichotomy means. When the word is brought up, it clearly means that the subject pertains to abstract realms, and the bending of physical laws. Thanos was indeed being bombarded with concepts. All he needed to do was convince himself that they were not real, and ride it out until he reached his destination, which is exactly what he did. Like I said, run with your own understanding, even if it is flawed.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Not true at all carver... Thanos has been in many many comics and never been KO'd via blunt force trauma.. He's only been KO'd via energy attacks.. Hulk on the other hand has been KO'd countless more times... So no Hulk can't take whatever Thanos can dish out as he's been KO'd by less than what Thanos can dish out.
When has wwh ever been koed without some type of outside plot?
Originally posted by darthgoober
Well if he just got chumped by Thanos via forceblock even though he was more powerful than Surfer, Strange, and the Infinity Watch put together maybe ge decided to use his brain.
I forgot where I -we- was -were- going with this. Elaborate.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Whats more, since we don't have an exact timetable on just how long Thor had the gem before he got teleported even a constant gradual increase could have had significant effects by the time he reached Thanos(especially if it spiked when he'd actually use the gem like he did against Strange/Warlock).Not that it matters because we're trying to quantify his amp based on virtually nothing. All we know is that he was amped.
I'm pretty sure that time moved at a steady linear pace. Well, as much as it can in a comic book. Maybe like a day or two tops? By the time Thor grasped the Power Gem Warlock and Surfer were already on the way to Earth for a while. From there it was straight to Asgard I believe. The only part where there might be an abnormal time skip was when they were kidnapped by the trolls.
The only time we saw him enter a battle with the Gem was with the battle against Warlock's forces. After he took them down, he was teleported straight to Thanos.
Either way, I don't think Thor was walking around constantly increasing in power. I don't recall that ever being the case with Drax and Champion. They spiked but only when they were in battle as I recall. Unless I'm forgetting something
Originally posted by darthgoober
Very likely more... how do you figure? I saw two, how many did you see? Ok maybe I've just forgotten what you're talking about, but when exactly did Thor come out on the winning end of an exchange with Thanos?
I'm referring to Thanos' statement and Thor's position. When Thanos was blasting Thor the second time, he stated that a few more similar blasts would bring him down. Next time we see them, Thor is on his knees. I'm assuming a few more blasts were thrown out which seems likely especially considering Thanos' attitude when it came to the Avengers.
Originally posted by darthgoober
Yeah Thor definately did the best, but that doesn't change the fact that damn near everyone got their licks in on Thanos during that fight. I'm not arguing that Thor wasn't the most powerful of Earth's assault force, just that the fight doesn't really give any indication that Thor can give Thanos a run on a normal day anymore than it gives an indication Namor/She Hulk or even Spidey can knock Thanos around. And they did, Namor/She Hulk had him realing/backpeddling and from the look of it Spidey nearly floored him with his kick.
I'm 99% sure that Namor and She-Hulk did not knock Thanos around. I'm pretty sure they only accomplished what Spider-Man was able to do, which was move his torso back. Spider-Man didn't nearly floor him. We have very different definitions when it comes to some words apparently.
I had scans but I deleted them so I can't double check.
Originally posted by darthgoober
And that wasn't even Thanos on a normal day, that was Thanos with the IG. Do you really think that fight is legitimate proof that Masterson Thor can give that tough a fight to a wielder of the Infinity Gauntlet?
As much as I would like it to, no it doesn't. At least not an Infinity Gauntlet wielder actually putting effort into taking Thor down. Thanos was willing to put on a show but Thor actually rocked him with his attacks.
If nothing else, it proves Thor can harm Thanos with his attacks and so on. More that I can say for Surfer. 😉