Originally posted by quanchi112What you left out was the fact that Hulk was also weaker and nowhere near his WW Hulk levels.
So who was winning before the Surfer quit fighting back ?Both were depowered so the advantage should clearly be in hulk's favor since he typically brawls so why didn't he just annihilate the surfer ?
Originally posted by quanchi112
Thor with the power gem. He'd maul WW Hulk who struggled left and right with top tiers. Surfer also could take on ww hulk.
You forgot to add on to the fact that it was revealed that wwh was holding back against these top tiers... that's why one life wasn't taken during their scuffle.
By the way... you are a hyporcrite... you stated that wwh would thrash superman in a physical fight but now you are saying that surfer could beat wwh in a melee confrontation...
Wow... you might want to think before commenting on things.
I also forgot to add that thanos was getting trounced by power gem thor and he didn't go physical with him throughout the fight... hell, in that whole fight, thanos only punched him once or twice and the rest of the hits came from thor. I asked for a physical fight, not thanos shooting blast and still getting his ass stomped.
^ You ruined it carver9 by pointing out his flip-flopping... I wanted to see how far quanchi112 would go with this post-exchange. Because every single one of my supposed posts from the prior page was quoted verbatim from quanchi112 himself on this exact issue from pages 3-4 of this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=3
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
Ok, do you think Norrin read could hold his own against Juggs here like the WW Hulk?
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
I think that WW Hulk would have broken Norrin in a slugfest.
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
Again he didnt defeat the Hulk in physical combat here nor would he have a chance in defeating the WW Hulk in a brawl. I have seen no evidence to make me think otherwise.
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
What you left out was the fact that Hulk was also weaker and nowhere near his WW Hulk levels. Hulk won this fight plain and simple. I still dont know why youd use this fight to help your case. It hurts it if anything.
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
You still seem to give me no reasoning as to why the Surfer beats him. Let me ask you again. What has Norrin Radd done in a slugfest that tells you he takes this when this is Hulk's bread and butter.
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
Yes,they were both weakened and Hulk won. Big shocker there.
Originally posted byOneDumbG0quanchi112
Did Surfer defeat Hulk in planet Hulk?
Originally posted byYes. quanchi112 has been arguing with himself the entire time with two diametrically opposed positions. TheOneDumbG0quanchi112
I just cant believe you tried using the Surfer's fight with a weakened Hulk as proof as to why the Surfer wins here. Anywho,Hulk wins. He is a much better brawler than the Surfer.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0
^ You ruined it carver9 by pointing out his flip-flopping... I wanted to see how far quanchi112 would go with this post-exchange. Because every single one of my supposed posts from the prior page was quoted verbatim from quanchi112 himself on this exact issue from pages 3-4 of this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=3
Yes. quanchi112 has been arguing with himself the entire time with two diametrically opposed positions. Thelack ofconsistency with waffling over his positions is nothing short of astonishing.
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My bad.
Originally posted by carver9
You forgot to add on to the fact that it was revealed that wwh was holding back against these top tiers... that's why one life wasn't taken during their scuffle.By the way... you are a hyporcrite... you stated that wwh would thrash superman in a physical fight but now you are saying that surfer could beat wwh in a melee confrontation...
Wow... you might want to think before commenting on things.
I also forgot to add that thanos was getting trounced by power gem thor and he didn't go physical with him throughout the fight... hell, in that whole fight, thanos only punched him once or twice and the rest of the hits came from thor. I asked for a physical fight, not thanos shooting blast and still getting his ass stomped.
You're joking carver aren't you.. I truly hope you are... Thanos was getting trounced by PG Thor LOL LOL. You actually have that the other way around... Thanos got the better of that fight.. Period.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You're joking carver aren't you.. I truly hope you are... Thanos was getting trounced by PG Thor LOL LOL. You actually have that the other way around... Thanos got the better of that fight.. Period.
No... I'm not... thanos only good showing against that version of thor was when he used his energy based attack, when they melee'd, thor got the better hand.
No, we actually look at the entire fight.. not just the parts u want. In doing so, we see Thanos floor two times.. one via energy.. the other was a double PUNCH that sent through a metal floor. Now as we know.. when judging fights it matters more when u knock someone down when the others stats are pretty close. Thor landing @ more punches that did nothing to thanos doesnt override the knockdowns
Originally posted by OneDumbG0They were both depowered and we've seen the Surfer absolutely embarrass Bill while holding back when we did not see the WW Hulk do the same, ever.
What you left out was the fact that Hulk was also weaker and nowhere near his WW Hulk levels.
Originally posted by carver9Surfer would also beat superman in a physical confrontation as well so like usual it all adds up.
You forgot to add on to the fact that it was revealed that wwh was holding back against these top tiers... that's why one life wasn't taken during their scuffle.By the way... you are a hyporcrite... you stated that wwh would thrash superman in a physical fight but now you are saying that surfer could beat wwh in a melee confrontation...
Wow... you might want to think before commenting on things.
I also forgot to add that thanos was getting trounced by power gem thor and he didn't go physical with him throughout the fight... hell, in that whole fight, thanos only punched him once or twice and the rest of the hits came from thor. I asked for a physical fight, not thanos shooting blast and still getting his ass stomped.
Thanos was physically taking on Thor and tanking his hits with only a nose bleed whereas Hulk has yet to do anything to a regular Thor yet stalemate him.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Older posts you seem obsessed with but like everything else in life opinions change.
^ You ruined it carver9 by pointing out his flip-flopping... I wanted to see how far quanchi112 would go with this post-exchange. Because every single one of my supposed posts from the prior page was quoted verbatim from quanchi112 himself on this exact issue from pages 3-4 of this thread: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=3
Yes. quanchi112 has been arguing with himself the entire time with two diametrically opposed positions. Thelack ofconsistency with waffling over his positions is nothing short of astonishing.
Originally posted by carver9You don't comprehend what you read, obviously.
No... I'm not... thanos only good showing against that version of thor was when he used his energy based attack, when they melee'd, thor got the better hand.
Originally posted by quanchi112I'm just attempting to impress upon you a lesson:
Older posts you seem obsessed with but like everything else in life opinions change.
In, and of itself, changing your mind arbitrarily isn't bad. It does, however, detract from your argumentative positions. So to the extent that you continue to obsess over arguing with certain posters -- as demonstrated by your declarations of victory over them, endless last-word behavior, continued mincing over words, repeating questions that have already been answered, and overall trollish diatribe -- you might want to step back for a second and rethink what/how you're posting.
This is amply evident by the last page of faux arguments, that had you responding endlessly, and to no avail with, none other, than yourself. It's obvious how futile it is to debate with you constructively, when you couldn't even do it with yourself. How do you expect others to?
Acting like you're god's gift to KMC debating when you, among other things, flip-flop your own arguments inexplicably the way you do is like bragging about sex when you have erectile dysfunction. And even that wouldn't be so bad if you didn't keep projecting your own inadequacies onto everyone else in every other post.
You pointed out that things in life change. One can only hope.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0This basically describes yourself not me.
I'm just attempting to impress upon you a lesson:In, and of itself, changing your mind arbitrarily isn't bad. It does, however, detract from your argumentative positions. So to the extent that you continue to obsess over arguing with certain posters -- as demonstrated by your declarations of victory over them, endless last-word behavior, continued mincing over words, repeating questions that have already been answered, and overall trollish diatribe -- you might want to step back for a second and rethink what/how you're posting.
This is amply evident by the last page of faux arguments, that had you responding endlessly, [b]and to no avail
with, none other, than yourself. It's obvious how futile it is to debate with you constructively, when you couldn't even do it with yourself. How do you expect others to?Acting like you're god's gift to KMC debating when you, among other things, flip-flop your own arguments inexplicably the way you do is like bragging about sex when you have erectile dysfunction. And even that wouldn't be so bad if you didn't keep projecting your own inadequacies onto everyone else in every other post.
You pointed out that things in life change. One can only hope. [/B]
My point yet remains while depowered surfer handed hulk his ass before letting him win.
Originally posted by quanchi112
This basically describes yourself not me.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0Like clockwork.
And even that wouldn't be so bad if you didn't keep projecting your own inadequacies onto everyone else in every other post.
Originally posted by quanchi112
My point yet remains while depowered surfer handed hulk his ass before letting him win.
Originally posted byLook at this... you're still managing to argue with, and utterly troll the hell out of, yourself. facepalmOneDumbG0quanchi112
What you left out was the fact that Hulk was also weaker and nowhere near his WW Hulk levels.
WAKE UP.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, both were weaker and despite it all surfer looked superior when he was initially fighting back.
Originally posted byThis is amazing. You're still managing to argue with, and utterly troll the hell out of nobody but, yourself.OneDumbG0quanchi112
What you left out was the fact that Hulk was also weaker and nowhere near his WW Hulk levels.
facepalm x2.
^ Yeah, you had this exact trolling back-and-forth with Enyalus here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=3
Originally posted by Enyalus
Because, um, Surfer was also weakened. And lacked strength boosting capabilities. And just like Hulk was upgraded, so too was Surfer. Plus, that showed his ability to 'brawl' so to speak.
Originally posted by quanchi112So were you wrong/trolling in the past because Enyalus was right? Or are you wrong/trolling now because Enyalus was wrong?
Yes,they were both weakened and Hulk won. Big shocker there.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Neither was surfer so it was fair game and Surfer had the upper hand in a brawl.
Originally posted by quanchi112When you figure out who was wrong/trolling, either past or current quanchi112, or both, you let us know.
Yes,they were both weakened and Hulk won. Big shocker there.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0It's up for debate. Hulk won and initially I'd favor him in a melee brawl but the only reason he won was because surfer quit fighting back. Surfer has always been able to destroy planets whereas Hulk's greatest levels were worldbreaker level. Surfer's handling of Bill makes me think he'd handle the Hulk as well.
^ Yeah, you had this exact trolling back-and-forth with Enyalus here: http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=491254&pagenumber=3 So were you wrong/trolling in the past because Enyalus was right? Or are you wrong/trolling now because Enyalus was wrong? When you figure out who was wrong/trolling, either past or current quanchi112, or both, you let us know.
You seem intent on bringing up the past like to the point of obsession.
Originally posted by quanchi112No, I just want to see some sort of indication that you're not just going to troll the crap out of a different poster and will genuinely debate. And you trolling the crap out of your own arguments for near two pages now doesn't lend faith to that proposition, now does it?
You seem intent on bringing up the past like to the point of obsession.
The Hulk destroyed an object twice the size of earth way back in the 70's. Just wanted to put that out there. I would also like to state that the Surfer has the ability to match the Hulk in strength, one agonizing ton after the next. He does this by leeching off of the gamma rays present within the Hulks system, so in essence he simply piggy backs.
Originally posted by quanchi112
Yes, both were weaker and despite it all surfer looked superior when he was initially fighting back.
You are a very weird debator sometimes and you have a bad habit of contradicting yourself to help an argument against thanos. Let this been a superman, thor, or surfer vs wwh thread, you would be all over wwh nut s*** saying that he would stomp them in a melee fight but when it involves thanos, you tend to low ball the character when all in all you know the truth. You would splurt out sh*j just to make the character look less powerful than he is when they are pitted against thanos. People could do the same thin you know? Lllliiikkke, thanos failing to even lay a glove on gamora and wqas basically getting owned and this happened twice. With that said... since wwh is <<<gamora... he stomps thanos. You see how that works? Spiderman, a 10 tonner kick thanos so hard that his head almost did a 360... since wwh is so much more powerful than spidey, a punch from him should take thanos head off (let me join the low ball game).
You keep bringing up the surfer and hulk fight but you fail to realize what made surfer a challenge to this version of the hulk... he lost his main ability that makes him one of the most dangerous melee character in marvel... he lost his ability to increase his strength and durabilty due to him being weakened by a disk. That's not a legit fight to use since we really do not even know where the hulks strength was at... for all we know he could have been a 50 tonner.
Quan... use some logic and debate right without contradicting yourself because it makes you look bad.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0My arguments are all consistent with each other and once in a while my opinion changes. You seem so butthurt by me it's quite flattering.
No, I just want to see some sort of indication that you're not just going to troll the crap out of a different poster and will genuinely debate. And you trolling the crap out of your own arguments for near two pages now doesn't lend faith to that proposition, now does it?
Originally posted by carver9WW Hulk against the newer more powerful Surfer it could go either way but I'd favor the Surfer actually based on his recent manhandling of Bill. WW Hulk didn't ever really manhandle any top tiers even close to Surfer's owning of Bill so my point stands. You can cry foul all you want I always back myself up which I am sure is irritating if you are opposing me.
You are a very weird debator sometimes and you have a bad habit of contradicting yourself to help an argument against thanos. Let this been a superman, thor, or surfer vs wwh thread, you would be all over wwh nut s*** saying that he would stomp them in a melee fight but when it involves thanos, you tend to low ball the character when all in all you know the truth. You would splurt out sh*j just to make the character look less powerful than he is when they are pitted against thanos. People could do the same thin you know? Lllliiikkke, thanos failing to even lay a glove on gamora and wqas basically getting owned and this happened twice. With that said... since wwh is <<<gamora... he stomps thanos. You see how that works? Spiderman, a 10 tonner kick thanos so hard that his head almost did a 360... since wwh is so much more powerful than spidey, a punch from him should take thanos head off (let me join the low ball game).You keep bringing up the surfer and hulk fight but you fail to realize what made surfer a challenge to this version of the hulk... he lost his main ability that makes him one of the most dangerous melee character in marvel... he lost his ability to increase his strength and durabilty due to him being weakened by a disk. That's not a legit fight to use since we really do not even know where the hulks strength was at... for all we know he could have been a 50 tonner.
Quan... use some logic and debate right without contradicting yourself because it makes you look bad.
Thanos was fooling around and was not affected by her at all. he also killed her in his weakest form way back when. See the comics once again back me up whereas you don't have a clue.
Surfer lost his powers as well but we see him with his powers crush Bill but we don't see Hulk in the ww hulk arc manhandle any legit top tier anywhere near the same fashion.
My point stands carver old chap don't be a sore loser.