Originally posted by Parmaniac
I've only used your shitty and hypocritcal logic against you I'm not suprised that you won't eat your own medicine...
Again you don't actually understand the point I'm making. The reason why I said that its not 100% scientific is because you can use science and logic to a point but not to a precise degree. So me asking him for an explanation is not me contradicting myself.
Originally posted by King Castle
fine lets use logic via comic panel evidence...how many ppl have led spidey into an attack or getting shot?
last good panel showing of this is when Cap fought Spidey he was directing spiderman into his attack.. 😉
Exactly and you can do the same with bullets. A skilled martial artist or a gun man could make Spiderman dodge another attack but walk into another one.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Speedsters are fast not agile that's a difference.
Doesn't matter when the speed advantage is so great its more difficult to hit a speedster than Spiderman thats why people have problems hitting Quicksilver and not Spiderman.
Even if you want to make that argument the logic still applies. If he can knows where hes going to be he can still shoot him.
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Spiderman: Don't worry about it a whole lot. I've still got my strength speed and ever lovin agility. Besides I think you just got lucky.
Punisher: Luck? No I've studied you.. as I study everyone I might have to meet in combat
. I've anticipated your actions.
Oh you missed this bit where Punisher stated he was aiming to wound.
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Originally posted by Mindset
They also lack a spider sense.
They don't need it.
Originally posted by SamZEDmarvel vampires are just as ambiguous as Blade is, people assume canon fodder are weak, but they're not like ninjas or whatever, usually in comics when going against a large amount of vampires heroes either retreat or die unless they have some type of plan.
If there were several hits then yeah, I got no problem with him getting koed, especially if the guy took down Dracula.
But as for random vampires, we cant base his durability solely on his showings against them. Most of them aren't class 2 even, right? (Im talking about the noname cannonfodder vamps). And when we have him take this kind of punishment
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or take down Sandman, Electro, Tombstone, Shocker etc all at the same time, and then lose to a few vampires, you have to agree its far from his best showings. Even if there's more than one example of it happening.
I mean Luke Cage had trouble restraining on canon fodder vamp, and a couple of vampires took out Red Hulk.
electro, sandman, and shocker are different types of fight altogether, Vampires usually beat spiderman cause of one their brute strength, while not on par with his it seems to take him by surprise every time, and the fact that vampires always go for the kill shot first, so spiderman usually gets surprised then bitten or almost bitten. I mean it could be argued PIS if it was once, but it's every single time Spiderman has come in contact with them.
Originally posted by DeadlineI've missed nothing cause he also didn't hit him for a wound.
Oh you missed this bit where Punisher stated he was aiming to wound.
So Punisher hitted him how often? Once? Maybe twice if you wanna take that knife throw of his first appereance.
And how many times did he missed while trying to shoot him?
Originally posted by Parmaniac
I've missed nothing cause he also didn't hit him for a wound.
Yes you obvoulsy did. The point is its going to be alot harder for Punisher to hit him while hes aiming to wound because he has to be more accurate. Thats sometimes why he uses mercy bullets.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
So Punisher hitted him how often? Once? Maybe twice if you wanna take that knife throw of his first appereance.
Nope three times including the knife throw. There are also shwoings that show eventhough he wasn't aiming to shoot Spiderman he clearly could have like the example we are discussing and this.....
An extremely sleep deprived and battered Punisher pulls off this shot while dodging a blood lusted Spiderman.
Originally posted by ParmaniacAnd how many times did he missed while trying to shoot him?
Hes missed him in the early days, but later showings showed he was able to shoot him. Also he missed him when using real bullets but we know for a fact he holds back when using real bullets.
Originally posted by ParmaniacNever expected id actually have to argue that Spider-man cant dodge bullets on a vs forum.
Speedsters are fast not agile that's a difference.
So much for that.
Originally posted by TrackzBut that didnt happen more than twice I believe. Also I wouldnt say every single time if we count Morbius and some other vamps he's taken down.
marvel vampires are just as ambiguous as Blade is, people assume canon fodder are weak, but they're not like ninjas or whatever, usually in comics when going against a large amount of vampires heroes either retreat or die unless they have some type of plan.I mean Luke Cage had trouble restraining on canon fodder vamp, and a couple of vampires took out Red Hulk.
electro, sandman, and shocker are different types of fight altogether, Vampires usually beat spiderman cause of one their brute strength, while not on par with his it seems to take him by surprise every time, and the fact that vampires always go for the kill shot first, so spiderman usually gets surprised then bitten or almost bitten. I mean it could be argued PIS if it was once, but it's every single time Spiderman has come in contact with them.
Originally posted by SamZED
Never expected id actually have to argue that Spider-man cant dodge bullets on a vs forum.So much for that.
But that didnt happen more than twice I believe. Also I wouldnt say every single time if we count Morbius and some other vamps he's taken down.
Yes, they're not jobber-ninjas, but tbh they still cant be compared to some of Spider-man's rogues. He fights people like Lizard, Venom, Carnage etc all the time. I just dont see how he'd beat those guys and yet have trouble with some fodder vampires, the same vampires Blade kills dozens per night.
What didn't happen more than twice?
Morbius has never really been impressive, I mean as a human Blade was a match for Morbius, Morbius isn't really a fighter he's more a scientist and there's the fact that Morbius isn't a regular vampire. Aren't Carnage and Venom better than Spiderman in every way? Also I dunno if I'd put Lizard to win against a group of vampires just because he's so savage and it would only take one bite for him to be taken down. I mean Spidermans power set isn't the best for dealing with vampires, he usually dominates opponents with his strength and agility, but he usually holds back, every time he does that against a vampire he gets tackled and bitten or nearly bitten. Not only does Blade have sthe strength and speed of the vampires he also has the skill and equipment to put them down while Spiderman really doesn't have anyway to.
Originally posted by Trackz
What didn't happen more than twice?Morbius has never really been impressive, I mean as a human Blade was a match for Morbius, Morbius isn't really a fighter he's more a scientist and there's the fact that Morbius isn't a regular vampire. Aren't Carnage and Venom better than Spiderman in every way? Also I dunno if I'd put Lizard to win against a group of vampires just because he's so savage and it would only take one bite for him to be taken down. I mean Spidermans power set isn't the best for dealing with vampires, he usually dominates opponents with his strength and agility, but he usually holds back, every time he does that against a vampire he gets tackled and bitten or nearly bitten. Not only does Blade have sthe strength and speed of the vampires he also has the skill and equipment to put them down while Spiderman really doesn't have anyway to.
Agreed. Blade is definitely better suited for fighting this kind of foes, and i mean both equipment and style of fighting.
Venom and Carnage are superior to him in durability. Speed is about the same while SM got the agility. But symbiotes arent the only ones, he's got plenty of brutal foes with the one-hit-kill ability so he is familliar with that. Plus as you said, Spider-man uses his strength and agility, yet holds back. That works for villains as well as vampires. So there's CIS to it too.
