Spider-Man vs Blade

Originally posted by SamZED
I meant getting beaten.

Agreed. Blade is definitely better suited for fighting this kind of foes, and i mean both equipment and style of fighting.
Venom and Carnage are superior to him in durability. Speed is about the same while SM got the agility. But symbiotes arent the only ones, he's got plenty of brutal foes with the one-hit-kill ability so he is familliar with that. Plus as you said, Spider-man uses his strength and agility, yet holds back. That works for villains as well as vampires. So there's CIS to it too.

In that sage arc he got taken down twice, then against jamal afari he got beaten, then in this arc we was being taken down then the leader told the other vampires to try and take him in alive.

But I think we kind of agree on the issue overall.

Originally posted by Trackz
In that sage arc he got taken down twice, then against jamal afari he got beaten, then in this arc we was being taken down then the leader told the other vampires to try and take him in alive.

But I think we kind of agree on the issue overall.

But yeah, we do.

Spider-Man wasn't fairing very well here either against fodder vamps.

True, but wasnt doing all bad either. Anyway, for every showing like that he has plenty of better showings and against more powerful foes.

Originally posted by Deadline
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Well you can quote your own nonsense all you like, it doesn't make you any less wrong.

You CAN redirect your punch in mid-attack. Again, it's called leading a target and anyone with even a passing familiarity in fighting and sparring will pick up on this.

That's the difference between a punch and a bullet... Bullets run a straight line from the barrel of the gun to the point of impact. Yeah, there might be a slight disconnect given some outside circumstances but it's not the same as a punch which can literally follow the target once it's left it's "chamber".

And... as Zed already stated, Spiderman's reactions to his SS warning are better the more progressive the threat.

Punisher's shot Spiderman, and Spiderman's been shot a few times... Sure, it shows, Punisher's skill accredited by ONE writer, or Spiderman's fallibility by another...

But the TYPICAL representation of Parker's abilities have him not getting shot... by bullets, things that are faster than bullets, like lazers.... shot from robotics using automatic targeting systems and motion detection. Even analytical computers learning his abilities and trying to pinpoint his next move...

AND... TYPICALLY he's dodging this kind of crap in spades.. dozens of bullets if not hundreds..... if not thousands!

The bottem line is that as mentioned before... You can't use the variable of one argument to support another. Me, Sam and everyone else here understands the principle of what you're talking about in concerns to Flash etc.... It's not that we "don't get your point", it's that your point is skewed because the speed at which both characters move is not the issue.... The level of their ability to do a certain thing, and the amount of times it's typically presented at said level, IS.

You can make an argument for Spiderman getting punched in the face by gifted/fast/crafty foes because that's typically how he's demonstrated in his abilities...
What you can't do is make an argument that he can be shot by a skilled marksman because it's happened half a dozen times in a 60 year long career through thousands and thousands of publications... Not when he's proved the opposite hundreds and hundreds of times over including during situations where he doesn't know he's being shot at until it happens, dodging bullets after they've been fired on his center mass, or dodging machine gun fire in a room from 500 members of Hydra.

It doesn't stack up and you know it.

Originally posted by Trackz
marvel vampires are just as ambiguous as Blade is, people assume canon fodder are weak, but they're not like ninjas or whatever, usually in comics when going against a large amount of vampires heroes either retreat or die unless they have some type of plan.

I mean Luke Cage had trouble restraining on canon fodder vamp, and a couple of vampires took out Red Hulk.

electro, sandman, and shocker are different types of fight altogether, Vampires usually beat spiderman cause of one their brute strength, while not on par with his it seems to take him by surprise every time, and the fact that vampires always go for the kill shot first, so spiderman usually gets surprised then bitten or almost bitten. I mean it could be argued PIS if it was once, but it's every single time Spiderman has come in contact with them.

Meh.... it's true though.

Spiderman's rogues gallery and even his casual villain of the week are usually faster and stronger than cannon fodder vampires and they're usually packing powers or gear that outright own claws and fangs....

Then there's the issue that Spiderman gets somehow taken by surprise in most situations concerning his record with vamps somehow...someway....

And that's just it. For whatever reason he ends up looking like a rookie with vamps, in spite of the fact that a mutated vamp is in his rogues gallery, in spite of him humbling Blade himself a couple time or that that he whoops up on comparible nasties like werewolves too.

I guess maybe there's a has of yet unexplained weakness Spiderman has with vampires, maybe it's the fact that he's not looking to kill and they are... I don't know.. but it doesn't look right... it certainly doesn't lend credability to any argument that Blade or any other vampire are > Spiderman's physicality.

In any case, Spiderman's made to look considerably less impressive against bloodthirsty vampires than he ever does against his bloodthirsty rogues etc...

Originally posted by Trackz
What didn't happen more than twice?

Morbius has never really been impressive, I mean as a human Blade was a match for Morbius, Morbius isn't really a fighter he's more a scientist and there's the fact that Morbius isn't a regular vampire. Aren't Carnage and Venom better than Spiderman in every way? Also I dunno if I'd put Lizard to win against a group of vampires just because he's so savage and it would only take one bite for him to be taken down. I mean Spidermans power set isn't the best for dealing with vampires, he usually dominates opponents with his strength and agility, but he usually holds back, every time he does that against a vampire he gets tackled and bitten or nearly bitten. Not only does Blade have sthe strength and speed of the vampires he also has the skill and equipment to put them down while Spiderman really doesn't have anyway to.

I agree with this post though thumbsup

"Also I dunno if I'd put Lizard to win against a group of vampires just because he's so savage and it would only take one bite for him to be taken down. "

I definately would put 90s Lizard above fodder vamps that's for sure.

Well sure he's above them physically but in a group brawl I'm thinking it isn't unlikely that he'd get bit to hell.

That's why I clearified 90s Lizard he was bullet proof or at least had some bullet proof feats of course it's argueble that Vamp teeth > bullets. But still by strength and durability the 90s Lizard was the most impressive imo (and best looking too).

Eh yeah... i forgot about the hyde.... hm... Well if they could penetrate it then they win, if not, then he'd wreck em.

Trying to vamp Lizard would most likely result in broken vampire teeth.

Anyway Blade got koed by Spider-man sweeping his legs out from under him this week in Spider-man vs Vampires... I can only imagine what a haymaker would do.

Blade was being drained for god knows how long. Looks like they were siphoning his blood or some sh!t. Which would explain why he went down so easily.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Trying to vamp Lizard would most likely result in broken vampire teeth.

Anyway Blade got koed by Spider-man sweeping his legs out from under him this week in Spider-man vs Vampires... I can only imagine what a haymaker would do.

Aren't Vamps magically imbued (sp?) to bypass things like super durability?
Isn't that how tons of supers are at risk in the first place?

Originally posted by jinzin
Aren't Vamps magically imbued (sp?) to bypass things like super durability?
Isn't that how tons of supers are at risk in the first place?

Don't think so, one just broke his teeth on Husk and that is just the most current example that is fresh in my mind.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Trying to vamp Lizard would most likely result in broken vampire teeth.

Anyway Blade got koed by Spider-man sweeping his legs out from under him this week in Spider-man vs Vampires... I can only imagine what a haymaker would do.

Originally posted by jinzin
Meh.... it's true though.

Spiderman's rogues gallery and even his casual villain of the week are usually faster and stronger than cannon fodder vampires and they're usually packing powers or gear that outright own claws and fangs....

Then there's the issue that Spiderman gets somehow taken by surprise in most situations concerning his record with vamps somehow...someway....

And that's just it. For whatever reason he ends up looking like a rookie with vamps, in spite of the fact that a mutated vamp is in his rogues gallery, in spite of him humbling Blade himself a couple time or that that he whoops up on comparible nasties like werewolves too.

I guess maybe there's a has of yet unexplained weakness Spiderman has with vampires, maybe it's the fact that he's not looking to kill and they are... I don't know.. but it doesn't look right... it certainly doesn't lend credability to any argument that Blade or any other vampire are > Spiderman's physicality.

In any case, Spiderman's made to look considerably less impressive against bloodthirsty vampires than he ever does against his bloodthirsty rogues etc...

again it's confusing because marvel's vampires are extremely under developed and it's tough to tell because they're often ambiguous which is why marvel has started to refine their vampires.

But I'm not sure all of spiderman's rogue's are greater than fodder vampires in every single way, i mean Rhino may be a great deal stronger, but he's slower, also there's the healing and sheer durability. Werewolves are also ambiguous sometimes they have extreme durability and healing other times they can be taken out with a strong punch or bullet. Marvel's monsters = ambiguous all the evidence we have is that against vampires spiderman usually falls. Again it's not just him, Red Hulk was taken out, Luke Cage was almost overpowered by one. The vampire bite is one of the most underestimated powers in the marvel universe as it's shown to take down almost any enemy.

Spiderman has really only taken out a human Blade, ever since Blade became a half-vampire he's done decently against him.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Don't think so, one just broke his teeth on Husk and that is just the most current example that is fresh in my mind.

if this is from the x-men vs. vampires one-shot, the vampire didn't break his teeth, the bite just had no effect.

Originally posted by Trackz
stated on panel he was drained, and it supported by the fact that he tanked punches from Negus after recovering, who KO'd spiderman.

True but Blade was given the drug before the fight, which was made from Vampire Hemoglobin, and as we all know blood heals vampires.

Spider-man was koed by several punches during a ground and pound, Blade took a single hit to his chest and got pinned to the ground and briefly choked out. He never "tanked" punches from Negus.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
True but Blade was given the drug before the fight, which was made from Vampire Hemoglobin, and as we all know blood heals vampires.

Spider-man was koed by several punches during a ground and pound, Blade took a single hit to his chest and got pinned to the ground and briefly choked out. He never "tanked" punches from Negus.

Blade was hit with a hook to the head, which is why we see his head reeling back, even then he was still able to resist, where as Spiderman was taken out before he could launch a counter-attack. It's undeniable that Blade faired better against Negus than Spiderman, although that has no baring on this fight.