Originally posted by srankmissingnin
And Kingpin has been shot five times in the chest and then fell of a bridge, and was he fine. Does he have a healing factor too? Does Punisher? Frank has taken FAR worse than three slugs to the leg and kept fighting.
Kingpin took machine gun slugs to the chest? Theres only one example of Frank taking worse than machine gunfire to the leg.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Does anyone who has taken a bullet and kept fighting have a healing factor? I don't know what you were hoping for? Did you think that waiting a few days to post would mean everyone had forgotten all the previously arguments in this thread? This has all been addressed several times now. Getting shot and continuing to fight regardless of the bullet wounds is a street level staple, everyone has done, it is not a healing factor feat.
First of all it really doesn't matter because in the context of the situation it was an indication of his vampiric abilities, thats why Punisher thought he was wearing kevlar. Taking machine gun bullets to the leg is not street level staple. Punisher has only done something like that once and we know that he has insane pain resistance that doesn't mean that Blade doesn't have a healing factor. Just because somebody can take damage without a HF doesn't disprove that somebody has one. Yes srank I waited a couple of days because you're so important its not because I was busy.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade v2 01 - where this "feat" occurred - was the first comic that established that Morbius' bite in Peter Parker Spider-man had changed 616 into "Day Walker." Prior to that issue he was a human vampire hunter. If that was really supposed to be representative a previously on mentioned ability, don't you think it would have been mentioned and played up in the narrative?
Oh for god sake, they don't need to give a long list of his abilities. You can assume that he would have that power because a healing factor is a standard vampire ability.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
You really thing that something as ambiguous as fighting after getting shot - again something virtually every single street has done in their career - is supposed to be the first every occurrence of previously non existent ability? You don't think that the author would have provided some clarification for Blade fans who knew his past?
As I said in the context of the situation it was proof of a HF, getting shot in the leg with machine gunfire isn't street level staple. Again hes a vampire don't need clarification. If somebody became an Eternal I don't need clarification that they can fly when 90% of them can do it.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
In Wolverine lore there is a debate on where the first appearance of his healing factor actually occurred. Uncanny X-Men issue 142 is the first time Wolverine's mutant ability was stated as being a healing factor, but in issue 116 he has a throw away one line about healing fast. Knowing that Wolverine eventually was attributed with a healing factor, one could retroactively say that 116 was the first appearance of it - but if Wolverine mutant power was established as something else in 142 and he never displayed any other healing feats would that one line be enough for someone to say "Wolverine has an enhanced healing factor?" I don't think so. Blade had not displayed a healing factor before that incident or since, and the examples representation of a healing factor is - at best - inconclusive. You aren't even retroactively giving him abilities he didn't have in the past but has now... you are just making things up.
Wolverine isn't a member of a race of beings who have a HF as a standard powerset. Again you're just assuming that he doesn't.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Not to mention that with all recent the retcon's to his origins who knows how or even if that issue fits into Blade's history anyway?
Irrelevant hes a vamp now and he was a vamp in the scans were discussing.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade isn't a vampire. He is a half vampire. There are several abilities vampires have that Blade himself lacks, a healing factor would just be another one. If you want to argue that Blade has certain abilities you need to conclusively show that he can use them, not just attribute him the abilities of other characters.
Being a half vampire means he has all their strengths and weaknesses and having a HF is standard Vampire shit. See scans below.
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg6.jpg
"Girl you're a frigging vampire. Accept the benefits." He said shes a vampire which means that having a HF is standard. If had said you're Spitefire that would mean that having a HF just applies to her. Since Blade has all the strengths which a vampire has and having a HF is standard then Blade also has HF. Also there are loads of bios which state that Blade has a HF bios tend to get general powersets correct.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Since the movie release in 1998, Blade has worn kevlar or some sort of body armor / breast plate in the majority of his appearances. He wore armor in his Spider-man and Gambit appearances, the Max series, Tomb of Dracula, the recent Spider-man vs Vampires and possibly his Black Panther appearances (there is ribbing along his chest uniform but it is hard to say conclusively). His most recent costume, being the one he wore in McPv2, Captain Britain and the MI13 and most recently in X-Men appearances and his Curse of the Mutants one-shot is a form fitting body armor with shoulder and side straps.I don't know what you guys are smoking because Blade's last series - the Guggenheim / Chaykin one - is pretty much the only place since 1998 where Blade didn't wear a kevlar or body armor on a regular basis. In that series he largely wore black cotton t-shirts and turtle necks.
Outside of the last Blade series, Blade wearing kevlar or body armor is the standard. It was before that series, and it has been since.
First of all just because hes worn kevlar in most of his appearances doesn't conclusively prove that he was wearing Kevlar when in alot of his appeaarnces he doesn't. Heres him wearing the turtleneck you mentioned.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg
Also in a mini in 2000 he didn't always wear body armour. In his appearance with Black Panther in at least one issue he wasn't wearing kevlar but a T-shirt, you can tell because you can see the creases in it. He didn't change his clothing once in that arc so you could argue that he never wore kevlar. The mini was in 2004 I don't even think you can conclusively prove that he wore body armour for the majority to 2004 and even if you did not for the big majority. You can argue that he wears body armour now and you can recognise it because it has a specific design but if I was going to analyse it like you I could argue its not body armour unless its been specificaly stated it or weve seen it reduce gunfire damage.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
I don't "over analyze everything to death," I just don't take ridiculous leaps of faith and project abilities and powers onto feats where they clearly don't exist. If Blade has never healed on panel then he needs to heal before that because a valid ability. That is the reality of the situation.If Blade had a single valid healing feat it would be apparent without someone needing to go over every single Blade appearance with a fine tooth comb and saying "well maybe this is a healing feat?" on the most inconclusive and ambiguous feats. He was shot in the leg and kept fighting, with no mention of healing in the narration or shown in the sequential art work. Comic characters without healing factors do stuff like that all the freaking time. Maybe if Blade had some other healing factor feats for a precedent, you could make a case for it being a healing factor feat, but he doesn't.
And that argument has been addressed several times. Streets take bullets without being any worse for wear all the time. If that is proof of a healing factor then Punisher has a healing factor, Kingpin has a healing factor, Batman has a healing factor, Spider-man has a healing factor. Unless a character get hit in a vital area or they get their legs chewed up with hundreds of bullets like Grifter, getting shot is just a nuisance. Fighting after getting shot is not an example of a healing factor for a character who has never displayed a healing factor before or since unless it is stated as one or made abundantly clear in the art that that is the intention.
Already addressed these points.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
So... what's the double standard here? Blade wears kevlar, and has worn it CONSISTENTLY since the turn of the decade. Alternatively he has never been shown to heal on panel. Those are facts. He told Punisher that a bullet to the face would have no effect on him. That was a bluff. Knowing that A) Blade wears kevlar 9/10, B) Blade has never been shown to heal on panel, and C) he had already bluffed once in that encounter, it is much more likely that he was wearing kevlar and was bluffing than it is that he wasn't wearing kevlar and demonstrated a previously on seen ability.
Nope he didn't wear kevlar consistently from 1998-2004.
A) No he doesn't
B) Don't have to because we know hes a vampire and its a standard vampire powerset
C) You didn't prove he was bluffing you just made that assumption. He didn't say a bullet to the face would do no damage he said he wasn't sure if it would do any serious damage and based on what we know that is possible. Theres also no need for him to bluff because hes not afraid of him and all he knows is that hes a skilled human that hunts mobsters.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
FYI Getting shot thrice in the leg is not "worse gunfire" than getting shot point blank in the back by Punisher.
So you're ignoring the fact it was machine gunfire, which does more damage than 38 caliber? You're ignoring the fact that its hi-tech machine gunfire which means it probably does more damage than a standard machine gunfire? You're ignoring the fact that he got shot more than once? So your argument is basically because it was point blank range means it does more damage? Punisher also put a silencer on it which would have reduced it even further (I know what you're going to say), No srank analysing everything the machine gunfire would have done more damage. I'm pretty sure anti-tank gunfire at long range would do more damage than a 38 caliber at point blank. See where I'm coming from?
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Vampires can also shape shift, fly, hypnotize / mind control people and don't need to breath, some can control weather and turn into mist. Blade can't do any of those things. You can't just arbitrarily give him vampire abilities that he has never used.Blade has never said he has a healing factor. It was mentioned once in Blade Max that he has "mild regenerative abilities" (paraphrasing since I don't have my comics with me at University), but that was the same story arc he needed to get stitches to close shallow scratch marks on his shoulder.
As I've said to you already a HF is standard vampire shit. Lots of bios state he has one.
He isn't a vampire, he is a half vampire lacking many of the standard vampire abilities, and he wasn't even a half vampire at the time of "feat" in question. He was an anomaly genetically altered by Morbius's bite, not a traditional vampire at all.
Fighting after getting shot is not proof of a healing factor. Battle damage disappearing off panel in between issues is not proof of a healing factor. It's standard comic book fodder, it happens all the time to too many characters to count.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
He isn't a vampire, he is a half vampire lacking many of the standard vampire abilities,
Again that doesn't mean that he lacks standard abilities that something you made up. Thats why its stated that he has all their strengths. Not part ALL.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
and he wasn't even a half vampire at the time of "feat" in question. He was an anomaly genetically altered by Morbius's bite, not a traditional vampire at all.
He is now.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Fighting after getting shot is not proof of a healing factor. Battle damage disappearing off panel in between issues is not proof of a healing factor. It's standard comic book fodder, it happens all the time to too many characters to count.
Nobody has been shot in the leg with machine gunfire and carried on fighting. The only person whos done that is Punisher and he has insane pain resistance. If you must know theres a showing of Punisher getting shot (38 caliber) in the leg and not having the ability to run. Punisher fighting with a broken leg s uber.
Originally posted by King Castle
i accept that blade has rapid healing.... its the level that is the issue and also not mattering in a fight
Fair enough.
Originally posted by King Castle
Captain Armerica took shoulder arm fire and kept on fighting but he is Cap and has a legitimate healing factor so i guess that dont count. 😗
38 caliber not a machine gun.
Originally posted by King Castle
Spidey has bn shot too and he has a healing factor but he stopped fighting and ran or cried went into shock or did all three..spiderman4
What does that prove.
Originally posted by King Castle
LOL.. at least now i understand what you construed as a healing factor.. 😖hifty:i'm sorry that is not one punisher is just stubborn and better then your average person.
its a combination of things he just has peak level durability, stamina and recovery
Er no I construed nothing. If it was better than average they wouldn't be freaking out, they would just be impressed. Also were playing semantics here, (Recovery/Healing factor) You are also deliberatley trying to insert shit that isn't even in the scan it doesn't say anything about durability the scan is about healing.
Also some of the stuff you said could apply to Cap as well and he does have a HF.
Originally posted by King CastleSpider-man took several machinegun shots to the chest from like 5 guys when Osborn armed his soldiers with bullets that track the target. He didnt cry or run, he pwned Bullseye after that happened.😎
Spidey has bn shot too and he has a healing factor but he stopped fighting and ran or cried went into shock or did all three..spiderman4
Originally posted by SamZED
Spider-man took several machinegun shots to the chest from like 5 guys when Osborn armed his soldiers with bullets that track the target. He didnt cry, he actually pwned Bullseye after that happened.😎
Spiderman does actually have a HF, did he carry on fighting like nothing had happened?
Captain America has revived himself from a gun shot to the head which temporarily killed him within a few minutes..
that is not peak but regeneration and just recently he was shot again by black widow iirc where she said its no big deal he'll regenerate in a few moments..
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b06859103982786
not the same.
Frank is just bad@$$ abover the average person no more no less then peak levels of durability, stamina and recover is not parahuman although it may seem so its just seems that way due to him being marine 😮💨
