Originally posted by Deadline
Wolverine isn't a member of a race of beings who have a HF as a standard powerset. Again you're just assuming that he doesn't.
I'm not assuming anything, I'm saying he has never healed on panel, and he hasn't. No assumption necessary, just consideration of cold hard fact.
Originally posted by Deadline
Irrelevant hes a vamp now and he was a vamp in the scans were discussing.
He is a half vampire now.
Originally posted by Deadline
Being a half vampire means he has all their strengths and weaknesses and having a HF is standard Vampire shit. See scans below.
It's a nice tag line, it sounds cool, but it isn't true. There is a miriade of vampiric abilities that Blade lacks. He can't compel people. He can't control animals. He can't fly. He can't shape shift. He can't become mist. He can't control weather. He requires oxygen. Should we assume he has access to all of those abilities because vampires do? Blade has never healed on panel.
Originally posted by Deadline
http://www.comicbookresources.com/assets/images/preview/1532/prv1532_pg6.jpg"Girl you're a frigging vampire. Accept the benefits." He said shes a vampire which means that having a HF is standard. If had said you're Spitefire that would mean that having a HF just applies to her. Since Blade has all the strengths which a vampire has and having a HF is standard then Blade also has HF. Also there are loads of bios which state that Blade has a HF bios tend to get general powersets correct.
Congrats, you've proven that Spitfire can heal... which has nothing to do with Blade. Vampire feats aren't transferable. Dracula's feats aren't Baron Bloods, aren't Deacon Frosts. Blade has never healed despite the fact that Spitfire has.
Originally posted by Deadline
First of all just because hes worn kevlar in most of his appearances doesn't conclusively prove that he was wearing Kevlar when in alot of his appeaarnces he doesn't. Heres him wearing the turtleneck you mentioned.http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c379/Doggydogg/Blade/Bladesavingspidey2.jpg
When a character wears kelvar or another form of body armor in 95% of their appearances, including both of the other times he has been shot in the chest (one of which he was koed from even while wearing said kevlar), it isn't exactly a leap to say he was probably wearing in another instance wear it isn't specified. Play the freaking odds dude.
Originally posted by Deadline
[B]Also in a mini in 2000 he didn't always wear body armour. In his appearance with Black Panther in at least one issue he wasn't wearing kevlar but a T-shirt, you can tell because you can see the creases in it. He didn't change his clothing once in that arc so you could argue that he never wore kevlar. The mini was in 2004 I don't even think you can conclusively prove that he wore body armour for the majority to 2004 and even if you did not for the big majority. You can argue that he wears body armour now and you can recognise it because it has a specific design but if I was going to analyse it like you I could argue its not body armour unless its been specificaly stated it or weve seen it reduce gunfire damage.
He was shirtless for one issue because he woke up in a coffin and had apparently been buried without a shirt. In the fallowing issues he wore some sort of SHIELD combat armor until it was destroyed.
In his two Black Panther issues, you can clearly see there is some sort of padding or ribbing on the pecs of Blade's wardrobe which would indicate some sort of protection. The make bullet proof suits and clothing for the secret service in the real world, so even if had been a standard t-shirt - which I don't think it was - that doesn't necessarily rule it out form being bullet proof.
Tomb of Dracula v2 came out in 2004, and guess what? Blade wore kevlar... as usual.
Originally posted by Deadline
Nope he didn't wear kevlar consistently from 1998-2004.
A) No he doesn't
B) Don't have to because we know hes a vampire and its a standard vampire powerset
C) You didn't prove he was bluffing you just made that assumption. He didn't say a bullet to the face would do no damage he said he wasn't sure if it would do any serious damage and based on what we know that is possible. Theres also no need for him to bluff because hes not afraid of him and all he knows is that hes a skilled human that hunts mobsters.
A) He did and he does still.
B) He is a half vampire, who lacks many vampire abilities. Feats aren't transferable, until a character does something they can't, regardless of what other characters can do.
C) And you didn't prove Blade healed, you made an assumption that he did... even though there is no suggest that he healed on panel, and nothing in his history would and an credence to that being the case either. At least my assumption - which isn't an assumption at all but a conclusion reached with a thorough analysis of Blade's history - doesn't clash with 99% of Blade's history like yours does.
Originally posted by Deadline
So you're ignoring the fact it was machine gunfire, which does more damage than 38 caliber? You're ignoring the fact that its hi-tech machine gunfire which means it probably does more damage than a standard machine gunfire? You're ignoring the fact that he got shot more than once? So your argument is basically because it was point blank range means it does more damage? Punisher also put a silencer on it which would have reduced it even further (I know what you're going to say), No srank analysing everything the machine gunfire would have done more damage. I'm pretty sure anti-tank gunfire at long range would do more damage than a 38 caliber at point blank. See where I'm coming from?
It's not a real gun so it's hard to say what it is supposed to be based on it's made up design, but it looks to either a sub-machine gun or a modified short barrel assault rifle. It could just as easily be firing 9mm rounds as it could be 5.56 mm. Obviously long guns are power powerful than hand guns (with certain obvious exceptions), but the difference in stopping power isn't that great. It's rate of fire, and the fact that anything you can brace against your shoulder will be easier to aim. It's not like Blade took 50 cal rifle bullets to the leg so the difference isn't that great.
Again: The difference between getting shot in the leg and in the chest is that there are all sorts of organs and important shit in your torso. As long as it doesn't hit femur, tibia or fibula, then a shot to the leg is just muscle and soft tissue damage.
Originally posted by Deadline
As I've said to you already a HF is standard vampire shit. Lots of bios state he has one.
I've never said Blade doesn't have a healing factor. I've said he has never used one one panel. The theoretical operation levels of powers a character has never used is immaterial and of no important to a debate. We use facts here and analyze feats. What a character could potentially do in the future if someone would write it is of no relevance to what we are doing here, and this is debating who would win fights on the bases of what a character has done. Blade has never healed on panel, until he does for all intensive purposes he can't in a forum match.
Originally posted by King Castle
Captain America has revived himself from a gun shot to the head which temporarily killed him within a few minutes..
Er not he was taken to hospital and treated then he revived. That doesn't mean he can take multiple machine gun bullets to the leg.
Originally posted by King Castle
that is not peak but regeneration and just recently he was shot again by black widow iirc where she said its no big deal he'll regenerate in a few moments..
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b06859103982786not the same.
Hes lying flat on his back and BW says he will regnerate eventually, not in a few moments.
Originally posted by King Castle
Frank is just bad@$$ abover the average person no more no less and his peak levels of durability, stamina and recover is not parahuman although it may seem so its just seems that way due to him being marine 😮💨
Now you're just talking. The scans I showed indicate that he healed very quickly over a relatively long period of time which indicates he has a HF but he doesn't heal in mid-fight. Just stating he doesn't have a HF does not prove your point.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, what does Punisher have to do with this conversation?
Blade took three bullets to the leg once and kept fighting. Some people believe this is must be proof of a healing factor, and others have brought up the fact that virtually every street has taken gunshots and kept fighting, even without regenerative healing factors.
Originally posted by -Pr-
Guys, what does Punisher have to do with this conversation?
I'm saying that he has a low level HF ie he can heal very quicklly over long periods of time.
http://img706.imageshack.us/i/punhf1.jpg/
http://img716.imageshack.us/i/punhf2.jpg/
Its somehow connected to this thread I can't be arsed to explain.
Originally posted by DeadlineNot really. He was definitely hurt. But he did carry on fighting. Like Parmaniac said, he doesnt have a HF, he just heals faster than normal people. It was more of a "power of will" kinda feat.
Spiderman does actually have a HF, did he carry on fighting like nothing had happened?
Nothing about those scans indicates that Frank has a healing factor, just that he heals faster than a standard human. The doctor says he heals faster than anyone that doctor has seen... which isn't really surprising. Frank is a superhero, not exactly the standard stock that doctor is used to dealing with, but there is no suggestion that he rate at which he healed was superhuman.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Nothing about those scans indicates that Frank has a healing factor, just that he heals faster than a standard human.
ALOT faster.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
The doctor says he heals faster than anyone that doctor has seen... which isn't really surprising. Frank is a superhero, not exactly the standard stock that doctor is used to dealing with,
Hes also probably dealt with people who are better than average like SHIELD agents if you can heal much faster than them its impressive.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
but there is no suggestion that he rate at which he healed was superhuman.
Cap can be considered to be low superhuman and he heals at that rate as well. He can be considered to have a low HF. Its semantics really peak human/low superhuman.
