Spider-Man vs Blade

Originally posted by Deadline
ALOT faster.

Hes also probably dealt with people who are better than average like SHIELD agents if you can heal much faster than them its impressive.

Cap can be considered to be low superhuman and he heals at that rate as well. He can be considered to have a low HF. Its semantics really peak human/low superhuman.

A nurse said: "I've never seen someone heal from so much trauma let alone so quickly." It's not that big deal, I think you are reading into it way too much. Healing faster than standard fodder isn't exactly breaking news, I think everyone pretty much assumes that someone like Batman or Punisher is going to have a faster recovery than you or I would from a comparable injury... but faster >! superhuman healing factor, it just means faster.

It's the same thing as when cannon fodder remark "Nothing human moves that fast!" Which they do often.

Originally posted by King Castle
its just how it was depicted to travel on panel and the reference point of the ppl around them at the time.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
A nurse said: "I've never seen someone heal from so much trauma let alone so quickly." It's not that big deal, I think you are reading into it way too much. [ /B]

Its was creeping them out. When somethings a big deal it creeps you out.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B]
Healing faster than standard fodder isn't exactly breaking news, I think everyone pretty much assumes that someone like Batman or Punisher is going to have a faster recovery than you or I would from a comparable injury... [ /B]

Not neccsarily they would heal faster but if its actually creeping you out that suggests theres something abnormal about it.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
[B] but faster >! superhuman healing factor, it just means faster.

It depends who you are comparing it to if its much better than highly trained individuals than yes its a big deal.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

It's the same thing as when cannon fodder remark "Nothing human moves that fast!" Which they do often.

Yea and thats usally by people who are at least peak human, so that doesn't help your point.

Originally posted by Deadline
Its was creeping them out. When somethings a big deal it creeps you out.

Not neccsarily they would heal faster but if its actually creeping you out that suggests theres something abnormal about it.

It depends who you are comparing it to if its much better than highly trained individuals than yes its a big deal.

Yea and thats usally by people who are at least peak human, so that doesn't help your point.

It wasn't creeping them out, he was creeping them out. Punisher is vigilante with an anti social personality who lives to murder criminals. He isn't exactly someone who would mesh well with balanced human beings working 9-5. Bridge even comment that "he has that effect on people," before the healing bit was even brought up. It was her personality and demenor that made the nurses uneasy, not some supernatural healing ability.

Unless there name is Fury, SHIELD Agents are still canon fodder in the same boat as Hydra, Hand, or AIM.

Ahhhhhhh what? Are you saying that the Hand/Hydra/Shield/Military fodder who are always shouting "Nothing human can move that fast!" Are peak human?

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
It wasn't creeping them out, [b]he was creeping them out. Punisher is vigilante with an anti social personality who lives to murder criminals. He isn't exactly someone who would mesh well with balanced human beings working 9-5. Bridge even comment that "he has that effect on people," before the healing bit was even brought up. It was her personality and demenor that made the nurses uneasy, not some supernatural healing ability.
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The reason why he was creeping them out was because of how fast he healed. It was mentioned straight afterwards and thats something that would creep you out.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Unless there name is Fury, SHIELD Agents are still canon fodder in the same boat as Hydra, Hand, or AIM.

The point is that those canon foddder are above average and Frank is way above that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Ahhhhhhh what? Are you saying that the Hand/Hydra/Shield/Military fodder who are always shouting "Nothing human can move that fast!" Are peak human?

Ahhh for god sake. I'm arguing that the people they're talking about are peak human thats why they said it. In some cases they're superhuman eg Spiderman.

Originally posted by Deadline
The reason why he was creeping them out was because of how fast he healed. It wasn't mentioned straight afterwards and thats something that would creep you out.

The point is that those canon foddder are above average and Frank is way above that.

Ahhh for god sake. I'm arguing that the people they're talking about are peak human thats why they said it. In some cases they're superhuman eg Spiderman.

If you were reading a novel it would have been to completely different paragraphs because the points are unrelated. Paragraph one: Punisher is abrasive and freaks out service works. Paragraph two: Punisher heals fast. They are medical personal, they aren't going to be "freaked out" by someone healing fast, do you know the type of shit they would have seen? I know a man who had the top of his freaking skull taken off in a car crash and lost part of his brain, and he lived. Trust me the two points are completely unrelated.

The are above average in skill and physical attributes, but there isn't really a direct correlation between any of that and recovery time. Joey Averageman could recover faster from an injury than Sergent Danny Mcperfectsoldier form the Marine Corp.

So if "no human can move that fast," is a reference to peak human speed, then why have you equated "I've never seen someone heal that fast," - which is more a ambiguous and less impressive statement - as referencing a healing factor not simply peak human healing?

Would you like to know what the problem with your "debate style" is? I suppose it's about time I tell you. I mean, I've been reading you fumbling around your key board trying to tell me what you precieve as my faults are for awhile now without saying anything, so maybe I should do you a favour and let you know. You take ridiculous leaps of logic, and jump to insane conclutions... and then you get frustrated when other people don't blindly jump off the cliff after you.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
If you were reading a novel it would have been to completely different paragraphs because the points are unrelated. Paragraph one: Punisher is abrasive and freaks out service works. Paragraph two: Punisher heals fast.

Great its not a novel, so lets not assume thats how it would be expressed. You know what your point isn't without merit but again you're making assumptions and acting like its a fact. Y'know what in hindsight it probably has something to do with his personality but his healing was mentioned straight afterwards as well. They could be connected also Bridge used the word 'special' to describe both his personalities and his recovery.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

They are medical personal, they aren't going to be "freaked out" by someone healing fast, do you know the type of shit they would have seen? I know a man who had the top of his freaking skull taken off in a car crash and lost part of his brain, and he lived. Trust me the two points are completely unrelated.

Again you don't know that for a fact. If its something thats is far more impressive than they've seen before its certainly logical it could freak them out, you can't conclusively prove it wouldn't.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

The are above average in skill and physical attributes, but there isn't really a direct correlation between any of that and recovery time. Joey Averageman could recover faster from an injury than Sergent Danny Mcperfectsoldier form the Marine Corp.

Correct lets assume an average person would heal faster than a much better physical speciman because it *could* happen.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

So if "no human can move that fast," is a reference to peak human speed, then why have you equated "I've never seen someone heal that fast," - which is more a ambiguous and less impressive statement - as referencing a healing factor not simply peak human healing?

Er you used that example not me. As I stated he most likely has seen SHIELD Agents who are above average physical specimens, clearly Punisher is way above that.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin

Would you like to know what the problem with your "debate style" is? I suppose it's about time I tell you. I mean, I've been reading you fumbling around your key board trying to tell me what you precieve as my faults are for awhile now without saying anything, so maybe I should do you a favour and let you know. You take ridiculous leaps of logic, and jump to insane conclutions... and then you get frustrated when other people don't blindly jump off the cliff after you.

Um you haven't conclusively proven I'm wrong. Hell I'm even willing to concede its a matter of opinion, you should try that some time..

Originally posted by The Nuul
Deadline is here.

Shush.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Blade took three bullets to the leg once and kept fighting. Some people believe this is must be proof of a healing factor, and others have brought up the fact that virtually every street has taken gunshots and kept fighting, even without regenerative healing factors.

ah.

Originally posted by Deadline
I'm saying that he has a low level HF ie he can heal very quicklly over long periods of time.

http://img706.imageshack.us/i/punhf1.jpg/
http://img716.imageshack.us/i/punhf2.jpg/

Its somehow connected to this thread I can't be arsed to explain.

he'd have to be superhuman to have anything other than a standard human HF.

Originally posted by -Pr-

he'd have to be superhuman to have anything other than a standard human HF.

The scans don't indicate he has a standard human HF. I'm arguing that its low superhuman/peak human ie very quikcly over long periods like Cap.

he is marine strong is all..

he heals better then an average ever day human due to his will power and body conditioning. not b/c he is superhuman just that there are not that many peak or olympic human's running around every day in marvel hospitals.

Punisher and cap isnt that comparable not even spiderman compares to cap's level of healing.

Originally posted by Deadline
The scans don't indicate he has a standard human HF. I'm arguing that its low superhuman/peak human ie very quikcly over long periods like Cap.

cap has the SSS, though. you can't just have a superhuman HF. there needs to be some underlying reason.

Originally posted by King Castle
he is marine strong is all..

he heals better then an average ever day human due to his will power and body conditioning. not b/c he is superhuman just that there are not that many peak or olympic human's running around every day in marvel hospitals.

The doctor most likely has seen above average human specimens. So hes way above average. Hes peak human/low superhuman...its borderline.

The scans do nothing to prove that he has some great healing factor. At best they just prove he's tough, like any action hero in any action movie.

lol so athletes have better HF than a normal guy?... looks like somebody reads too many health magazines

Originally posted by Deadline
The doctor most likely has seen above average human specimens. So hes way above average. Hes peak human/low superhuman...its borderline.

i am reminded of an X-men comic scene where DD sneaks into a hospital for medical aid from Celia the black chick with the TK shield aura.

pretty sure she wasnt impressed at DD's injury and pain tolerance

although her reaction is completely different from the point i wanna make.

Originally posted by 0mega Spawn
lol so athletes have better HF than a normal guy?... looks like somebody reads too many health magazines

they can to an extent, but the affect is nothing even close to tanking bullets.

Originally posted by King Castle
i dont agree..

i am reminded of an X-men comic scene where DD sneaks into a hospital for medical aid from Celia the black chick with the TK shield aura.

pretty sure she was surprised at DD's injury and pain tolerance and

although her reaction is completely different from the point i wanna make.

i remember that. its also to my knowledge the only x-comic drawn by ed benes.

anyways.....

in comics there is a clear difference from every day person to spandex wearing olympic athletes and the rare peak human from pain tolerance and injury recovery.

Originally posted by -Pr-
cap has the SSS, though. you can't just have a superhuman HF. there needs to be some underlying reason.

The scans state that hes healed faster than anybody hes seen before and the doctor has most likely seen above average physical specimen. According to what the doctor said its way above that you can't say he doesn't have peak human healing when thats what the scan indicates.

He doesn't neccesarily need to have the SSS of showings indicate that he can do it. Bare in mind his bio also states that he has supernatural resistance to damage and pain, this is most likely because he doesn't have chi or SSS but still manages to have peak human feats or damage soak. Looking at comics its most likely to do with his hatred.

Originally posted by King Castle
i dont agree..

i am reminded of an X-men comic scene where DD sneaks into a hospital for medical aid from Celia the black chick with the TK shield aura.

pretty sure she wasnt impressed at DD's injury and pain tolerance

although her reaction is completely different from the point i wanna make.

and that proves that Punisher > DD. That doesn't reinforce your point at all. Thats also a point I made, I don't expect every street leveler to heal that fast and you just helped me prove my point.

like i said before his pain and damage threshold is due to his military conditioning and him just being a hard @$$..

he was a Marine his standard is above the average new york citizen and police.

he isnt superhuman at all and he is only peak in certain areas but it isnt superhuman nor is it a healing factor.

he is just more resistant and faster healer then your average overweight donut eating person who has never trained physically or mentally or maintained a certain regiment.

cap has to have remarkable HF to say the least...i mean shot in the head seriously either the artist is either a HUGE fanboy or he has a good HF