If he can go in and out as he wishes then Raziel now has his own "time stop" as well.
Super strength, PSI of claws, time stop, abilities to go invisible and blind Link. yeh Raziel wins.
Seems amusing to see Link desperatly slashing all over the place for someone whos about to gut/soul rape him. He cant see him, and in some cases he may not even be on Links plane of excistence/dimension.
its more than quick enough. All Link will see (assuming Raziel is even visible) is Raziel appearing assuming hes looking in the right direction. Considering Links slower speed, Link wont be able to do much especially if Raziel tosses him away using TK before he does anything that may make him vulnerable.
Raziel holds all the cards, whats stopping Raziel from snatching Links items with TK? If Links not got his bow out, Raziel steals it, if hes not wearing certain shields, yoink!, if he has potions around his belt, yoink!.
Whats link going to do against such a crafty little wraith?
Lense of Truth, problem solvent, I'd like to see evidence Raziel can hurt Link.
Link's protected from such nonsense, has been covered before, and he wouldn't be able to do it before Link outright smote him, would need to identify such items and reach into Link's hammerspace to get them, ect, IE, not viable.
Raziel is slower, Link plays tennis with a lightning bolt in this game.
Id like to see Links durability myself, better feats than "Ganon disarmed Link!", as well. According to the wiki, the Lense of Truth only sees through illusions, not invisability, furthermore by the looks of its image its one of those things that Raziel would easily TK into the air.
Its not been proven before at all and Link would be fair game. trying to use "its protected in the hammerspace" is daft. Gameplay mechanics.
Link plays tennis with a slow moving orb of energy. Slower than the Blood omen 1 energy spell even.
Play the game, invisibility is covered. Raziel can't tk a spell, which is what it is.
Link's protected, been proven many times, but ofcourse you ignore that. You're actually going to argue with Link's hammerspace, now? 😐 So you propose that Link is infact always carrying around everything, visibly, without any encumberment? In this case Link one-arms Raziel with the megaton hammer, since he can apparently carry that, the iron boots, three swords/tunics/shields, ect.
Play the game, it's lightning. A power Ganon's demonstrated numerous times and which Link consistently deals with successfully.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Play the game, invisibility is covered. Raziel can't tk a spell, which is what it is.Link's protected, been proven many times, but ofcourse you ignore that. You're actually going to argue with Link's hammerspace, now? 😐 So you propose that Link is infact always carrying around everything, visibly, without any encumberment? In this case Link one-arms Raziel with the megaton hammer, since he can apparently carry that, the iron boots, three swords/tunics/shields, ect.
Play the game, it's lightning. A power Ganon's demonstrated numerous times and which Link consistently deals with successfully.
Prove it.
Thats not been proven, I have seen some no limit fallacies and feats that dont cover Lok strength, thats about it. Clearly in real life he manages somehow, we just dont know how but theres no "canon" in a storyline based around a hammerspace, its a common gameplay mechanic nothing more. Links not even getting a hit on Raziel and if he attempts to, Raziel pulls it from his grasp and shatters it.
A lot of people whove played the game also disagree with you, fascistcrusder, Sin and Bloodrain (not sure if he played it but still) have proven that its just a slow moving bolt, nothing more to overhype about it.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Prove it.Thats not been proven, I have seen some no limit fallacies and feats that dont cover Lok strength, thats about it. Clearly in real life he manages somehow, we just dont know how but theres no "canon" in a storyline based around a hammerspace, its a common gameplay mechanic nothing more. Links not even getting a hit on Raziel and if he attempts to, Raziel pulls it from his grasp and shatters it.
A lot of people whove played the game also disagree with you, fascistcrusder, Sin and Bloodrain (not sure if he played it but still) have proven that its just a slow moving bolt, nothing more to overhype about it.
Kool. Link without any gauntlets can now one arm a hammer so hefty it can force a pillar that makes Raziel's look like a tooth-pick into motion. Nice.
Nah, a lot of people have postulated without any evidence whatsoever. It's been proven multiple times Ganon attacks with full speed lightning, for you to assume he slows it down just so Link can win is idiocy. It's a gameplay mechanic, nothing more.
Also, lol@a magic, sentient sword notbothering to cover soem silly loophole you pulled out of your ass. haermm
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Play the game.Kool. Link without any gauntlets can now one arm a hammer so hefty it can force a pillar that makes Raziel's look like a tooth-pick into motion. Nice.
Nah, a lot of people have postulated without any evidence whatsoever. It's been proven multiple times Ganon attacks with full speed lightning, for you to assume he slows it down just so Link can win is idiocy. It's a gameplay mechanic, nothing more.
Also, lol@a magic, sentient sword notbothering to cover soem silly loophole you pulled out of your ass. haermm
Thats not evidence, hence why you should look up some evidence before you join a debate.
And youve postulated without any evidence so far, like you do in most threads. Your almost as bad as Quanchi when it comes to evidence. I didnt say he slows it down, I agree with the game however that in this instance he fires a slow moving energy bolt.
Wut? make sense boy.
It's been posted at you innumerable times by myself, Scenario, Moo, ect. If it hasn't sunk in yet, it's not worth my effort to do it again. 🙂
Sin proved the point with videos of Ganon using full speed lightning, by accident. haermm It's been a part of his power set since 1991, they and continued to be through out, and after OoT, you're reaching for straws trying to use a gameplay mechanic (The player needing to reflect the lightning) to claim it is slower than lightning, which it is not. That would involve Ganondorf intentionally slowing down an attack to make Link's life easier.. IE, retarded assumption is retarded.
Yes I have posted evidence that Raziel or Kain tool any Link or character in LoZ, fact is it does not apprently sink in. Its not worth my time to duck and dive through fanon especially not with someone who does not know what evidence is 🙁
Yeh, but clearly despite being part of his powerset he decided not to use it here. You are using a gameplay mechanic. other than that you just repeated your previous statement, your previous evidence does not help you.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Yes I have posted evidence that Raziel or Kain tool any Link or character in LoZ, fact is it does not apprently sink in. Its not worth my time to duck and dive through fanon especially not with someone who does not know what evidence is 🙁Yeh, but clearly despite being part of his powerset he decided not to use it here. You [b]are
using a gameplay mechanic. other than that you just repeated your previous statement, your previous evidence does not help you. [/B]
OBSERVE: Link's strength without the gauntlets still embarrasses Raziel.
Also, you repeat yourself: You assume Ganondorf intentionally slowed down his own attack for no reason, this is a flawed assumption, and you base this SOLELY on a gameplay mechanic designed to allow the player to actually play the fight. Nice. IE, you have no argument, and you're plugging your ears and making excuses for shit you don't like.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
The delicious irony here is delicious. Netiehr Kain nor Raziel have a reaction feat to their name that would allow them to keep up with Link or Ganon, or a strength feat allowing them to harm either physicly, 320 kj is small potatoes in the realm of 3+ GJ characters.OBSERVE: Link's strength without the gauntlets still embarrasses Raziel.
Also, you repeat yourself: You assume Ganondorf intentionally slowed down his own attack for no reason, this is a flawed assumption, and you base this SOLELY on a gameplay mechanic designed to allow the player to actually play the fight. Nice. IE, you have no argument, and you're plugging your ears and making excuses for shit you don't like.
Feats do not support your claims, both Raziel and Kain have above human statistics and have feats showing them quicker than humans, Link and Ganon on the other hand, not so much.... 3+ GJ is a lie, such numbers do not excist for Link.
I dont see Link doing anything but looking at the thing. not to mension it looks like brick, bricks layed on top of eachother, not something as solid or as heavy as Raziels Obelisk. Its also thinner, despite being taller.
I never said that, reading comprehension ftw. Your trying to use a gameplay mechanic, then on top of that an assumption simply because it looks like lightning. Poor play, poor debate argument.
You cant "handle" me because youve yet to win a debate, problem is spamming your points over and over is all "you" do 🙂, hence why you cant handle me unfortunatly. Thus why these threads are boring. Your admitting to spamming....
Although I admit sometimes i do it to when I have to repeat myself without worth against stacks of unproven claims 🙁
Originally posted by Burning thoughtGJ ignoring evidence again. Your first point is basicly that you don't actually pay attention. Thanks.
Feats do not support your claims, both Raziel and Kain have above human statistics and have feats showing them quicker than humans, Link and Ganon on the other hand, not so much.... 3+ GJ is a lie, such numbers do not excist for Link.I dont see Link doing anything but looking at the thing. not to mension it looks like brick, bricks layed on top of eachother, not something as solid or as heavy as Raziels Obelisk. Its also thinner, despite being taller.
I never said that, reading comprehension ftw. Your trying to use a gameplay mechanic, then on top of that an assumption simply because it looks like lightning. Poor play, poor debate argument.
It's MUCH taller, and thinner is debatable, and Link drives it into the floor below like a nail.
K, now you're dancing around it again, you're just repeating yourself in different ways and trying to disguise you're flawed argument. IE, you actually believe Ganondorf would sabotage himself, or you're trolling.
Math tiem; because j00 love it.
Link is 151 pixels tall, each section of the pillar in the image, from the top of one dotted line to the top of the next, is 174 pixels on the left side, farthest from the camera, if Link is 6', this makes the edge a minimum of 6.9 feet in height per section.
Horizonatally, the pillar is 297 pixels, not accounting for foreshortening OR the angle which adds another 25 pixels. Minimum of 11.8 feet. Is actually closer to: 12.7
So, the pillar is square based, so it's base*height for volume per section, base is: 163, or 139 depeinding on which measurement you use. height is 6.9,
that's either 960.7 cubic feet of volume per section or 1124.7 cubic feet. Note also that the pillar is infact solid in it's core as shown in the bottom image. The texture pack I had just added the brick texture, and is not the canon texture for the pillar.
You can easily count 12 sections of pillar in the first image without approaching the bottom, where there could easily be 5 more, or more! The bottom image displays very clearly that 12 is a thoroughly inadequate number. But I'll use 12. 🙂
Now, let's assume various densities;
65 lbs/foot, the approximate density of water:
Minimum per section: 31 tons.
Maximum per section: 36 tons
Total weight for 12 sections: 374 tons, or 438.6 tons.
100 lbs/foot, close to something like sand or gravel (Lolimpossibly light.):
Minimum per section: 48 tons.
Maximum per section: 56 tons.
Total weight per 12 sections: 674 tons, or 576.4 tons.
150 lbs/foot, a fair/average weight for most types of stone, too light for granite, which is the most common stone building material the world over:
Minimum weight per section: 72 tons.
Maximum weight per section: 84 tons.
Total weight per 12 sections: 1012.2 tons, or 864.6 tons.
See where I am going with this?
Show me Link interract with it first, youve not shown me anything about images of Link standing around it. Go and find a video then get back to me, in the mean time this math may or may not be likely, I wonder what BR will make of it.
Also not all the segments of the obelisk look the same size or width apart.