Originally posted by Burning thought
No problem honey, we will probably be still at it when your done....xxx
You're so sweet. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing now but I'll go ahead and arm whoever is arguing with some evidence.
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1:50, Ganondorf shows an attack that hits instantly in cutscene.
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The two pillars Link throws. First one is ten seconds in, the second is at 4:17.
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Since there are actually three pillars, here's the third one at 7:20.
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6:05, Link lowers a stone staircase with the Megaton Hammer. At 6:40, he hits the giant stone pillar Screampast gave the pictures of earlier.
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Just in case there was any question of the Lens of Truth seeing invisible things.
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Here the Mirror Shield displays the ability to both reflects beams but absorb magical attacks and throw them back.
Originally posted by CosmicCometNeh... It's really just a bunch of spite against characters with no chance. Mother is featless, even BT admits Link wins, same with the Archdemon and stuff.
Scenario, I demand you give up your battle with Quanchi for this thread.This thread is suppurior
And then there's this thread. It's just more of the same, Raziel got a shiney new strength feat, but it really only comes out to 320kj, which isn't that impressive. 😬 He's still slower without the tools to fight Link, or the power to kill him.
Originally posted by The Scenario
You're so sweet. Anyway, I don't feel like arguing now but I'll go ahead and arm whoever is arguing with some evidence.
YouTube video
1:50, Ganondorf shows an attack that hits instantly in cutscene.YouTube video
The two pillars Link throws. First one is ten seconds in, the second is at 4:17.YouTube video
Since there are actually three pillars, here's the third one at 7:20.YouTube video
6:05, Link lowers a stone staircase with the Megaton Hammer. At 6:40, he hits the giant stone pillar Screampast gave the pictures of earlier.YouTube video
Just in case there was any question of the Lens of Truth seeing invisible things.YouTube video
Here the Mirror Shield displays the ability to both reflects beams but absorb magical attacks and throw them back.
Ok first video, why? it just shows a slow charge up that Link could not do anything against, or attempt to dodge (slow reaction time) and then he screeches in pain as it hits him.....
Ive seen the pillars.
I thought there was something screwy here, he does not lift or move it with pure strength at all. He just bashes whats literally a small piece stuck in that chamber and it drops.
I dont understand the "invisability" part, whats invisibile? for all I know their just illusions.
Raziel does not use projectiles of magic. He uses Area attacks mostly. Also Raziel would just toss Link aside with TK.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Neh... It's really just a bunch of spite against characters with no chance. Mother is featless, even BT admits Link wins, same with the Archdemon and stuff.And then there's this thread. It's just more of the same, Raziel got a shiney new strength feat, but it really only comes out to 320kj, which isn't that impressive. 😬 He's still slower without the tools to fight Link, or the power to kill him.
Theres yet a single durability feat on the table for link so I dont know where the "without the power to kill him" comes from, nor a speed feat.
This fight for Raziel (or Kain if the thread comes up) is just a simple "TK" into place, then slash....easy thread is easy, spitez! 😄
I said I wasn't going to argue, BT, so why do you insist on it? But I guess I'm obligated to answer your questions. I'll not be answering for a little while after this.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Ok first video, why? it just shows a slow charge up that Link could not do anything against, or attempt to dodge (slow reaction time) and then he screeches in pain as it hits him.....
If you're asking why I posted it, it was to establish the travel speed of Ganondorf's attacks. Since we know that Adult Link is capable of reflecting that attack, what little Child Link does is irrelevant, though it does establish some durability fo Link even as a child.
Ive seen the pillars.
I believe you asked for another look at them earlier in the thread.
I thought there was something screwy here, he does not lift or move it with pure strength at all. He just bashes whats literally a small piece stuck in that chamber and it drops.
Ya, and it's quite large and stuck in place, and Link moves it with the bashing. Bashing = pure strength.
I dont understand the "invisability" part, whats invisibile? for all I know their just illusions.
Bongo Bongo's torso becomes invisible in the boss fight. Why would you say it was an illusion? An illusion is seeing something that isn't really there, invisibility is becoming not visible.
Raziel does not use projectiles of magic. He uses Area attacks mostly. Also Raziel would just toss Link aside with TK.
He uses his TK as a projectile quite often. How strong is Raziel's TK, though?
Theres yet a single durability feat on the table for link so I dont know where the "without the power to kill him" comes from, nor a speed feat.
I guess I'll take this one, too. Link has some durability in the Ganondorf scene, above. As well as this:
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2:50. Ganondorf disintegrates the entire top side of his castle and Link is unharmed. Also the thing at 1:15.
This fight for Raziel (or Kain if the thread comes up) is just a simple "TK" into place, then slash....easy thread is easy, spitez! 😄 [/B][/QUOTE]
Originally posted by BloodRainWell, if 3.5+ gigajoules dosn't break your arm, 300mj isn't gnna hurt you at all.
Must be memory loss. Links physical resistance is..?Also may be a reason to show that he's not resistant to TK..
Also, it's been demnstrated multiple times that the sword defends against this. u.u
Originally posted by The Scenario[/B][/QUOTE]
I said I wasn't going to argue, BT, so why do you insist on it? But I guess I'm obligated to answer your questions. I'll not be answering for a little while after this.If you're asking why I posted it, it was to establish the travel speed of Ganondorf's attacks. Since we know that Adult Link is capable of reflecting that attack, what little Child Link does is irrelevant, though it does establish some durability fo Link even as a child.
I believe you asked for another look at them earlier in the thread.
Ya, and it's quite large and stuck in place, and Link moves it with the bashing. Bashing = pure strength.
Bongo Bongo's torso becomes invisible in the boss fight. Why would you say it was an illusion? An illusion is seeing something that isn't really there, invisibility is becoming not visible.
He uses his TK as a projectile quite often. How strong is Raziel's TK, though?
I guess I'll take this one, too. Link has some durability in the Ganondorf scene, above. As well as this:
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2:50. Ganondorf disintegrates the entire top side of his castle and Link is unharmed. Also the thing at 1:15.
This fight for Raziel (or Kain if the thread comes up) is just a simple "TK" into place, then slash....easy thread is easy, spitez! 😄
When did I ask you to? I quoted your evidence and said why it was redundant.
Its ruined by the fact like a lot of obvious LoZ attacks it takes ages to charge.
Yes sorry, I looked for them myself after that but thank you anyway.
Not really, its just bashing on something whos heavier piecie is below, Link is simply workin with the weight thats below the structure he struck.
Can you give me the timing? I said it could be an illusion because the wiki says thats what the gmaes tellls us it uncovers.
If its TK your talking about then its not magic/elemental what the sheld shows us. His movement allows him to move Link sized people, and his blasts/shots are capable of shunting the 50 ton blocks.
But neither of those is durability? if he breaks the top half of the castle fine, but if it was not directed at Link not that interesting. Not sure waves of darkness are gaugable.
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, if 3.5+ gigajoules dosn't break your arm, the ground your standing on, the area it lands to much degree then its likely redundant in physics explanation and therefore unsuable as a feat.Also, it's been demnstrated multiple times that the sword defends against this. u.u
I added some bits to the first line thats important.
And, no its not, otherwise people would not ask so much when. Your likely hinting at the sort of thing you used to such as "Ganon or Zant did not use it at point A, therefore Link is immune!".
Originally posted by ScreamPaste
Well, if 3.5+ gigajoules dosn't break your arm, 300mj isn't gnna hurt you at all.Also, it's been demnstrated multiple times that the sword defends against this. u.u
I find fault in that. Not the strength of Ganon this time but what got hit. All the energy/force of the strike went into hitting Link's sword, held by the Golden Gauntlets. As we know they make Link's arms stronger, and there'd be some real issues if the GGs couldn't give as much as they take so his arms would be able to take the force. Not the rest of his body though.
Just want to see something. First off there's the Shadow Crystal Fog being able to forcefully change him, before you said it doesn't count but its based off the Shadow Crystal that is 'evil magic' and 'if you [Link] touch it, you'll turn back into a beast!' So the MS in cannon can't stop that evil magic from changing him. Secondly Scenario said that the MS deems Midna evil for being Twili [or something like that] so her powers are classed as evil magic to the MS. She can still use those powers after Link obtains the MS to teleport him, even against his will as shown at the end of the game.
Arguendo~
Just want to see something. First off there's the Shadow Crystal Fog being able to forcefully change him, before you said it doesn't count but its based off the Shadow Crystal that is 'evil magic' and 'if you [Link] touch it, you'll turn back into a beast!' So the MS in cannon can't stop that evil magic from changing him. Secondly Scenario said that the MS deems Midna evil for being Twili [or something like that] so her powers are classed as evil magic to the MS. She can still use those powers after Link obtains the MS to teleport him, even against his will as shown at the end of the game.Gameplay obstacle over-written by canon cutscene and the fact that Ganon's own greater power cannot transform Link, why should some fog be able to do so?
The sword is sentient, I don't recall Moo making that argument, but I don't recall Midna being evil, either. An act of self sacrifice is about as good as it gets.
Originally posted by Burning thought
Not only that, but when Ganon hits the MS out of Links hand, thats not any great strength at all because the sword only goes a few meters. A light sword going only a few meters? clearly Ganons not as strong as the Golden Gauntlets, nowhere near.
Scene demonstrates Ganon over-powering the golden gauntlets, and the force of the blow not damaging Link. Raziel cannot physicly harm someone in that range of durability.
I am sorry but your assumption is not a fact. You claiming it just didnt because it would be bad for the plot does not counter the point because you could never prove thats why it did not happen.
He does not overpower anything really, its quite ambigious. He launches a light sword a few meters with a glancing blow. Also what range? technically nothing hits Link, its a glancing blow.