Originally posted by carver9
You have got to be joking. BM beat KH big deal. KH couldn't stop meteor the size of city from destroying a planet. Superman can move the Moon or the Earth. BM fought Sentry to a standstill big deal, A younger version of Namor fought Sentry, IM and WM to a standstill. Both Thor and Hulk has beaten the man whose more powerful than a 1000 firecrackers. Superman easily defeats Gods, Greater Demons, Interdimensional Beings and Alien Armadas. Give me a call when BM does 2 out of the 4.
King Hyperion isn't the only person BM has fought ya know.
When has Superman moved the moon and Earth by himself? Scans.
So Namor one shot koed Sentry like Blue Marvel did AFTER taking on a decent team? Scans
When did Thor beat Sentry? Scans.
Everything you've said in your post is wrong but hey, you can probably provide scans of everything you've said...I will be waiting.
No one is saying Superman isn't good and I don't see anything wrong with giving him a majority either. I just think Blue Marvel hits EXTREMELY hard and Superman fighting the way he tends to fight 99% of the time, he would get dropped by BM. [/QUOTE] Superman Respect Thread has more than enough examples here at KCM, were HC open for business you'd find all the scans you want for all of the others. Actually Thor killed Sentry it was when Osborn decide to take over Asgard, as for for Namor I said he fought him to a standstill while also fighting IM and WM nowhere did I say he 1 shotted Sentry.
Originally posted by KingD19Does context ring a bell?
Blue Marvel singlehandedly defeated an entire alien armada.He fought an Avengers roster consisting of Sentry, Wonder Man, Ares, Ms. Marvel, Iron Man and a few others to a standstill after flash ko'ing Sentry. Sentry had to resort to dirty tricks to barely win that fight.
The King Hyperion he beat is the same King Hyperion that killed nearly every hero on Earth. Literally everything and everyone. Including Hercules, Thor, and Galactus. In another dimension he killed Wolverine and Magneto. He also beat Hulk, then killed all the heroes in New York, then killed Hulk.
Etc, etc... Beating that Hyperion with the ease he did is ridiculous.
Oh, and he also took down a portion of Shuma Gorath. How many out of 4 is that?
1. What comic did he fight the Avengers it's been a few yrs and the details aren't fresh in my mind.
2. If you read that issue of Exile it doesn't say how he killed them, if you read carefully it's implied they used nuclear bombs against KH that could also be a reasons a lot of the heros died. We don't know if he took them 1 on 1 or use Superspeed, poison or what tactics he used. BM didn't beat KH with ease he barely won, in fact KH said he killed BM from his own Universe. So stop with the BullS**t
3. BM beat a SG that was partially in this world SG wasn't at full power and he had help from the rest of the Mithy Avengers. Stop acting as if he did it all himself. Stop being so disingenuous by omitting key facts. REmember context is extremelly Important when debating a characters wins and feats.
Originally posted by shadowknight
Does context ring a bell?1. What comic did he fight the Avengers it's been a few yrs and the details aren't fresh in my mind.
2. If you read that issue of Exile it doesn't say how he killed them, if you read carefully it's implied they used nuclear bombs against KH that could also be a reasons a lot of the heros died. We don't know if he took them 1 on 1 or use Superspeed, poison or what tactics he used. BM didn't beat KH with ease he barely won, in fact KH said he killed BM from his own Universe. So stop with the BullS**t
3. BM beat a SG that was partially in this world SG wasn't at full power and he had help from the rest of the Mithy Avengers. Stop acting as if he did it all himself. Stop being so disingenuous by omitting key facts. REmember context is extremelly Important when debating a characters wins and feats.
1. In his debut, he was trying to stop Anti-Man and the Avengers misunderstood his intentions and fought him. He beat all of them, took Sentry out of the fight, and Sentry had to divebomb him from space to even things up. Even then, Sentry collapsed right after Marvel did.
2. We see him easily kill several high level heroes, so it's only safe to assume he just used his powers. And yes, he easily beat him once he stopped wallowing in self pity. The entire fight BM was like, "Oooo people are scared of me, I suck, blah blah blah."
But once he pulled his head out of his ass, he beat KH with contemptuous ease. Look at the scans and tell me I'm wrong. Also, he'd killed tons of heroes before they dropped the nukes which killed the rest of the people on Earth. He'd already taken over at that point.
3. Read what I said. I said he took down a portion of Shuma Gorath, and he did. He flew right through it and Shuma was down. He did do that by himself. The rest of the fight involved the Mighty Avengers and him supercharging Spectrum, but I wasn't talking about that. I was talking about him bullrushing Shuma's physical form and killing it.
[/B][/QUOTE] Superman Respect Thread has more than enough examples here at KCM, were HC open for business you'd find all the scans you want for all of the others. Actually Thor killed Sentry it was when Osborn decide to take over Asgard, as for for Namor I said he fought him to a standstill while also fighting IM and WM nowhere did I say he 1 shotted Sentry. [/B][/QUOTE]
No need for me to go to his respect thread when I know of all his fts. Post these fts that you brought up. Back up your claims.
Are you talking about Void? If so, I feel like you read the comic...with that said, do you remember the content of that showing?
Namor was getting thrashed by Sentry. Let's not pretend like the fight was even. Blue Marvel dropped Sentry with a punch while taking on a powerful team. Do you not see the difference. Everything you've said so far has been wrong but I don't mind correcting you.
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Originally posted by h1a8
I know his powers. Superman has him beat in every attribute. BM has no advantage over Superman.
Superman is vastly faster, more skilled, stronger, more durable, etc. There is no way BM can even win 1 fight against Superman. He's inferior by feats.
The problem is that you don't know a thing, you just make wild claims. You just said that he has no super speed, and that he moves as fast as Batman. How can anyone take what you write at face value? You don't know much about Blue Marvel aside from knowing how to low ball him. The fact here is that this would be a very competitive fight, and the only reason that I'm giving Superman the win here is due to having more feats, but that could change at any minute. For all anyone knows, these two may stalemate each other. This is what you should be saying here, and nothing more.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Carver its a lost cause. Let the lowballers lowball. They will ignore all of Blue Marvels showings (which are all high) and have him lose to every other high herald, because he still sucks despite his amazing feats. And god forbid if you think he can get a win over the all mighty dc posterboy.
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Originally posted by Stoic
The problem is that you don't know a thing, you just make wild claims. You just said that he has no super speed, and that he moves as fast as Batman. How can anyone take what you write at face value? You don't know much about Blue Marvel aside from knowing how to low ball him. The fact here is that this would be a very competitive fight, and the only reason that I'm giving Superman the win here is due to having more feats, but that could change at any minute. For all anyone knows, these two may stalemate each other. This is what you should be saying here, and nothing more.
Wow did he really say that, or are you exaggerating? Thing is I just skim through most of h1's post now because of the bizarre things he says. Surely h1 isn't silly enough to say those things and debate against a character being completely uninformed of his abilities.
Originally posted by dial J for Josh
Wow did he really say that, or are you exaggerating? Thing is I just skim through most of h1's post now because of the bizarre things he says. Surely h1 isn't silly enough to say those things and debate against a character being completely uninformed of his abilities.
He basically does not believe that Adam has super speed despite him being dead even against super fast characters. He has no idea who the character is, or he simply wants to low ball without any reason to warrant this type of opinion. He basically believes that Superman is so much faster than Adam, that he would create a time stop and beat him without even being able to be seen.
He then turns and and writes that he knows the character (Blue Marvel), in the post after the one below.
Originally posted by h1a8
For the millionth time. You can't give a person a speed based off WHO THEY FOUGHT AGAINST. If Batman beats flash because flash wasn't using his speed then Batman is not as fast as flash. Character's powers (usually speed) are ignored in comics for the sake of the plot. Why? Because speed is the most unfair power of them all. Sufficient speed is equivalent to STOPPING TIME. Speed MUST BE IGNORED sometimes because most comics would by a shitty story. "Superman beats his enemy in less than a nanosecond, wtf, I wasted money on a 2 page comic".Anti matter in Blue Marvel's power must not be much since it doesn't do much to basically any character he hits with it.
And anti matter is being created in space as we speak. The Van Allen belts contain anti-matter at times. So it's fair to say that Blue Marvel isn't doing much to Superman with his anti-matter.
Originally posted by KingD19
1. In his debut, he was trying to stop Anti-Man and the Avengers misunderstood his intentions and fought him. He beat all of them, took Sentry out of the fight, and Sentry had to divebomb him from space to even things up. Even then, Sentry collapsed right after Marvel did.2. We see him easily kill several high level heroes, so it's only safe to assume he just used his powers. And yes, he easily beat him once he stopped wallowing in self pity. The entire fight BM was like, "Oooo people are scared of me, I suck, blah blah blah."
But once he pulled his head out of his ass, he beat KH with contemptuous ease. Look at the scans and tell me I'm wrong. Also, he'd killed tons of heroes before they dropped the nukes which killed the rest of the people on Earth. He'd already taken over at that point.
3. Read what I said. I said he took down a portion of Shuma Gorath, and he did. He flew right through it and Shuma was down. He did do that by himself. The rest of the fight involved the Mighty Avengers and him supercharging Spectrum, but I wasn't talking about that. I was talking
about him bullrushing Shuma's physical form and killing it.
1. I don't recall the comic so I'll let it go for now
2. No we see several high lvl heroes die, it's is implied that he killed them. The way he did it isn't shown, here's a few way he could have done it, pick up a skyscrapper and throw it at the Avengers mansion, X men mansion or the FF buiding. That could get rid of anyone under CL 85. Fly Hercules, Thing, Namor into space till they ran out of air, fly a thousand feet and fry DD, Cap, BP, Spiderman, IF or Luke Cage with his Atomic Vision, do a flying Ram and take out Thing, Collosus and anyone under CL 100. There's more if you want me to go on.
3. I know what you said. What you said what deceptive without caviat and explanation. You never mentioned that SG was only partially in the world and therefore wasn't at full power, you never said the rest of the Avengers did anything to contribute to SG defeat. There are lies of commision and omission. Yours was of Omission, had SG been fully impowered on Earth his feat would have meant something. It's simialr to Hercules beating Thor when Odin had reduce Thor's strenght to half it normal lvl. While it's a feat but it doesn't represent what would happen most of the time where they to fight. Without details what you implied is a lot more impressive than it reality.
2. And it's stated that he killed them, so they're dead. We know he killed them, even Galactus and Blue Marvel. Also, we see him kill Hulk when he leaves his home dimension.
3. I clearly stated, he defeated a portion of Shuma Gorath. Meaning not the whole entity that is Shuman Gorath. You've clearly read the comic so you know what I'm talking about. You're just arguing to argue.
Originally posted by h1a8
For the millionth time. You can't give a person a speed based off WHO THEY FOUGHT AGAINST. If Batman beats flash because flash wasn't using his speed then Batman is not as fast as flash. Character's powers (usually speed) are ignored in comics for the sake of the plot. Why? Because speed is the most unfair power of them all. Sufficient speed is equivalent to STOPPING TIME. Speed MUST BE IGNORED sometimes because most comics would by a shitty story. "Superman beats his enemy in less than a nanosecond, wtf, I wasted money on a 2 page comic".Anti matter in Blue Marvel's power must not be much since it doesn't do much to basically any character he hits with it.
And anti matter is being created in space as we speak. The Van Allen belts contain anti-matter at times. So it's fair to say that Blue Marvel isn't doing much to Superman with his anti-matter.
.... oh my.
Well h1. What do you have to say for yourself here?
Originally posted by shadowknight
1. I don't recall the comic so I'll let it go for now2. No we see several high lvl heroes die, it's is implied that he killed them. The way he did it isn't shown, here's a few way he could have done it, pick up a skyscrapper and throw it at the Avengers mansion, X men mansion or the FF buiding. That could get rid of anyone under CL 85. Fly Hercules, Thing, Namor into space till they ran out of air, fly a thousand feet and fry DD, Cap, BP, Spiderman, IF or Luke Cage with his Atomic Vision, do a flying Ram and take out Thing, Collosus and anyone under CL 100. There's more if you want me to go on.
3. I know what you said. What you said what deceptive without caviat and explanation. You never mentioned that SG was only partially in the world and therefore wasn't at full power, you never said the rest of the Avengers did anything to contribute to SG defeat. There are lies of commision and omission. Yours was of Omission, had SG been fully impowered on Earth his feat would have meant something. It's simialr to Hercules beating Thor when Odin had reduce Thor's strenght to half it normal lvl. While it's a feat but it doesn't represent what would happen most of the time where they to fight. Without details what you implied is a lot more impressive than it reality.
1. Everything KD19 said that happened, actually did happen.
2. We actually see dead heroes stuck in stasis. They never said how they were killed, but KH said that he killed them. However he did this is still impressive, as he killed every hero on Earth. No need to dismiss it, or make up things that were not on panel. The Blue Marvel of the 616 universe has nothing but great showings, and therefore no one can make any claims that Superman would beat him easily.