Originally posted by Stoic
1. Everything KD19 said that happened, actually did happen.2. We actually see dead heroes stuck in stasis. They never said how they were killed, but KH said that he killed them. However he did this is still impressive, as he killed every hero on Earth. No need to dismiss it, or make up things that were not on panel. The Blue Marvel of the 616 universe has nothing but great showings, and therefore no one can make any claims that Superman would beat him easily.
1, I said I'm letting it go
2. Nowhere did I state that KH didn't kill them. But I'm just arguing the methods, there's a big difference between punching them to death in a brawl and using some of the tactics I had listed.
3. As far as I know I have never claimed on this board or any board that SM beats him easily. I've said said SM wins 7/10 vs BM.
Originally posted by KingD19
2. And it's stated that he killed them, so they're dead. We know he killed them, even Galactus and Blue Marvel. Also, we see him kill Hulk when he leaves his home dimension.3. I clearly stated, he defeated a portion of Shuma Gorath. Meaning not the whole entity that is Shuman Gorath. You've clearly read the comic so you know what I'm talking about. You're just arguing to argue.
2. Read my answer above this 1
3. No, your response to my declaration was misleading. You were implying he defeated SG by himself and you left out details like SG wasn't fully powered. I.E. There's a big difference between me beating Mike Tyson in his prime in a ring and me and my friends beating on MT while he's half drunk out of his gourd in a ring. Without context the whole example loses it effect. I stated SM defeated Interdimensional beings, SM does it by himself. So unless you can show an example of BM doing it by himself to a fully powered Interdimisional being you have no legs to stand on.
Originally posted by StoicAre you drunk? Post where I said he has no super speed or is fast as Batman.
The problem is that you don't know a thing, you just make wild claims. You just said that he has no super speed, and that he moves as fast as Batman. How can anyone take what you write at face value? You don't know much about Blue Marvel aside from knowing how to low ball him. The fact here is that this would be a very competitive fight, and the only reason that I'm giving Superman the win here is due to having more feats, but that could change at any minute. For all anyone knows, these two may stalemate each other. This is what you should be saying here, and nothing more.
As long as Superman is vastly faster then it will never be a competitive fight. With equal speed then Superman wins a slight majority.
Originally posted by h1a8Who would win if Blue marvel was vastly faster?
Are you drunk? Post where I said he has no super speed or is fast as Batman.
You don't really read my posts well do you?
I gave an example of Batman vs. Flash. It had nothing to do with saying BM has no superspeed or that he is as fast as Batman.As long as Superman is vastly faster then it will never be a competitive fight. With equal speed then Superman wins a slight majority.
Originally posted by JBLBlue Marvel would win everytime. Thor would beat Superman if he had the same speed as Superman (forget being faster).
Who would win if Blue marvel was vastly faster?
You need to know something about me. I basically argue Superman because he is fast. Speed is my god, not Superman. I believe Surfer beats Superman 10/10
Flash beats Superman
WW beats Superman (if SM doesn't use freeze breath)
Spidey beats everyone (well almost)
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Blue Marvel would win everytime. Thor would beat Superman if he had the same speed as Superman (forget being faster).You need to know something about me. I basically argue Superman because he is fast. Speed is my god, not Superman. I believe Surfer beats Superman 10/10
Flash beats Superman
WW beats Superman (if SM doesn't use freeze breath)
Spidey beats everyone (well almost)
Originally posted by h1a8
Are you drunk? Post where I said he has no super speed or is fast as Batman.
You don't really read my posts well do you?
I gave an example of Batman vs. Flash. It had nothing to do with saying BM has no superspeed or that he is as fast as Batman.As long as Superman is vastly faster then it will never be a competitive fight. With equal speed then Superman wins a slight majority.
First you have to prove that Superman is vastly faster if at all (how will you do this? Wild claims?) You can't prove it, so give it a rest. What if they were of equal speed? It's obvious that Blue Marvel possesses super speed, and that's outside of his handbook entry dedicated to letting people know what his powers are. Please don't come back at me stating that the handbooks are meaningless and people should always ignore them, because if we did, how in the world would we prove that he possesses anti matter powers? You'll say because of what we see on panel, and I'll say that we saw him battling someone on panel that was capable of using super speed, and the only reason why one guy wasn't a blur while the other seemed to stand motionless, was because they were both moving at the same speed.
King Hyperion as well as all Hyperion's possess super speed, so I think that it would be pretty stupid if this evil version of the character decided to move at human speeds to accommodate the guy that he was trying to kill. Let's see if you possess the forethought to see this as being plausible. And this is besides the fact that Marvel comics state that the Blue Marvel has super speed.
Now you go and try to play you're BS card on me asking me if I'm drunk, in a bid to cover your own ineptitude. I wasn't the one that made the erroneous analogy comparing Batman to the Flash. You clearly seemed to be hinting at Blue Marvel only being able to move as fast as a human. I'm not the only one that read it.
Perhaps you should think before you type these things, because it's clear that when you wrote it, you really had no idea of what the Blue Marvel was capable of, aside from what you read in forum debates about him. or gleamed from the respect forum on him. However, the respect forum only goes so far as well.
Originally posted by StoicBeing faster than humanly possible is having super speed. Cap, Batman, Daredevil, Spidey, Flash, Superman, Thor, etc. all have superspeed. But having superspeed doesn't mean you can fight Superman. There are many different levels of superspeed. Car speed, supersonic, orbital, light speed, warp speed, etc. Bullets can be very slow to Superman (frozen statues), yet bullets are very fast to humans. Any character that can move bullet speed has superspeed. Light speed is tens of thousands of times faster than a bullet.
First you have to prove that Superman is vastly faster if at all (how will you do this? Wild claims?) You can't prove it, so give it a rest. What if they were of equal speed? It's obvious that Blue Marvel possesses super speed, and that's outside of his handbook entry dedicated to letting people know what his powers are. Please don't come back at me stating that the handbooks are meaningless and people should always ignore them, because if we did, how in the world would we prove that he possesses anti matter powers? You'll say because of what we see on panel, and I'll say that we saw him battling someone on panel that was capable of using super speed, and the only reason why one guy wasn't a blur while the other seemed to stand motionless, was because they were both moving at the same speed.King Hyperion as well as all Hyperion's possess super speed, so I think that it would be pretty stupid if this evil version of the character decided to move at human speeds to accommodate the guy that he was trying to kill. Let's see if you possess the forethought to see this as being plausible. And this is besides the fact that Marvel comics state that the Blue Marvel has super speed.
Now you go and try to play you're BS card on me asking me if I'm drunk, in a bid to cover you own ineptitude. I wasn't the one that made the erroneous analogy comparing Batman to the Flash. You clearly seemed to be hinting at Blue Marvel only being able to move as fast as a human. I'm not the only one that read it.
Perhaps you should think before you type these things, because it's clear that when you wrote it, you really had no idea of what the Blue Marvel was capable of, aside from what you read in forum debates about him. or gleamed from the respect forum on him. However, the respect forum only goes so far as well.
With that said, Superman is vastly faster because of his feats.
BM has superspeed because HE HAS FEATS OF SUPERSPEED.
Now you are wrong misunderstanding my post. You claimed that BM is fast enough because he fought character WHO POSSESS great superspeed. I said this is a fallacy since I can use your logic to suggest that Batman is fast as the flash because he fought Flash. A great example is Captain Cold being able to freeze Flash with a shot of his freeze gun. We all know Captain Cold isn't anywhere near as fast as Flash.
Originally posted by h1a8
Being faster than humanly possible is having super speed. Cap, Batman, Daredevil, Spidey, Flash, Superman, Thor, etc. all have superspeed. But having superspeed doesn't mean you can fight Superman. There are many different levels of superspeed. Car speed, supersonic, orbital, light speed, warp speed, etc. Bullets can be very slow to Superman (frozen statues), yet bullets are very fast to humans. Any character that can move bullet speed has superspeed. Light speed is tens of thousands of times faster than a bullet.With that said, Superman is vastly faster because of his feats.
BM has superspeed because HE HAS FEATS OF SUPERSPEED.Now you are wrong misunderstanding my post. You claimed that BM is fast enough because he fought character WHO POSSESS great superspeed. I said this is a fallacy since I can use your logic to suggest that Batman is fast as the flash because he fought Flash. A great example is Captain Cold being able to freeze Flash with a shot of his freeze gun. We all know Captain Cold isn't anywhere near as fast as Flash.
So you know exactly how fast the Blue Marvel is, and you have proof that Superman is faster than he is? Where is your proof. I'll wait.
Originally posted by Stoic
So you know exactly how fast the Blue Marvel is, and you have proof that Superman is faster than he is? Where is your proof. I'll wait.
Originally posted by Stoic
So you know exactly how fast the Blue Marvel is, and you have proof that Superman is faster than he is? Where is your proof. I'll wait.
You asking me to proof a negative. A character only has an ability if there is evidence to support it (feats). Without feats to support, a character doesn't have that ability.
So BM is no where as fast as Superman because he never showed it or there isn't any evidence to support it.
Originally posted by Stoic
Anyone thinking that this wouldn't be close have either never read a comic with Blue Marvel in it, or have no idea just how powerful he is. At this point I think Superman would win based on Adam's limited amount of showings, but then again how well does Superman deal with anti matter? Claims like he is slow defy his showings against guys that move just as fast as Superman. And LOL at freeze breath being the deciding factor here.
Abhi cited examples with the Shadow Demons and Anti-Monitor. In regards to antimatter causing him to blow-up or anything like that, neither example showed him effected. In addition to those, he dealt with an.....I guess reincarnated Brainiac(from the antimatter universe) as a baby? Not sure exactly how to describe it. Anyways he took multiple energy blasts(plus an explosion of the energy) and later found-out the energy had traces of antimatter. He dealt with an explosion of a robot that was stated to contain enough anti-particles to split the Earth in half, or something along those lines. There's a number of examples of him taking weapons that project anti-particles. Superman deals just fine with anti-matter under every example I've read.
As for Superman's freeze breath, he once did this to Bizarro.
You think Blue Marvel is so much more durable than Bizarro that Superman couldn't accomplish the same? Not that he'd do that every time, but Superman's freeze breath is underrated.
And looking through your arguments for Blue Marvel's speed, it seems the only thing he's done is fight characters who have super speed. I've only read his own series, but I've seen nothing to indicate that he has anywhere near the combat/operational speed Superman has proven. You would have to prove the combat/operational speed of every character you argue proves Blue Marvel's speed, then prove they were both fighting at super speed. Otherwise this is a double standard I see many use when arguing against Superman when speed-blitzing is brought up.
Originally posted by carter9
Its H1 and current Superman doesn't have a single showing against Anti matter. All we know, if would probably kill him.
Even if New 52 Superman would be killed by antimatter, it's not current Superman, since, ya know, the topic was made in 2010. But then again this is you.
Originally posted by carter9
You know all of Superman's feats? And you know more about Superman than I do, just like you said on LIVE, right?
As for the fight, Blue Marvel gives a standard/holding back Superman a decent to good fight. But if Superman drops the mental blocks? He beats the shit out of Blue Marvel.
