Blue marvel vs superman

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carver9 Senior Member

What's up Adam?

Adam Grimes Devil On Your Shoulder

I liked how you challenged Rage there, buddy.

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Note how Grodd and Cheetah et al don't have a protective aura around themselves....

But by the by. How about an ACTUAL Antimatter Superman?

But when push comes to shove....

He beats him just fine.

carver9 Senior Member

It was said in those very scans that the JLA wouldve died if they stood and fought. I was hoping someone question the died part. I was waiting to post that scan. We dont know why they didnt die from the Anti-Matter.

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Originally posted by carver9
It was said in those very scans that the JLA wouldve died if they stood and fought. I was hoping someone question the died part. I was waiting to post that scan. We dont know why they didnt die from the Anti-Matter.

It was said, =/= fact. Especially seeing as Grodd and Cheetah etc were standing right there.

Plus, Ultraman is MADE of antimatter. And Superman punches him just fine.

darthgoober Senior Member

To be fair, the effect anti-matter can vary massively from writer to writer and company to company. Back during COIE I'm pretty sure all the heroes(including PC Supes) who visited the antimatter universe had to have some kind of special protection because when positive and antimatter come into direct contact with each other both were invariably destroyed. So it was a big deal in DC for a time because that was one of the basic premises of COIE and it got played up as a result. In Marvel on the other hand, guys like Super Skrull have been blasting guys like the Thing with antimatter since forever because it was just treated as a particularly potent form of energy. In such a situation, I could see arguments being made both for and against Supes being able to take antimatter blasts... HOWEVER, since COIE DC's toned down it's respect for "generic" antimatter a bit and while they still treat as being powerful as Hell, but it comes off a lot more like Marvel's portrayal of it so if nothing else I think it's safe to say that Supes should be able to deal with at least a few antimatter blasts as long as the raw power output is within his standard range. I don't doubt it would hurt(and likely hurt him more than than any other form of energy of equal proportion), but I can totally see him getting through it.

Adam Grimes Devil On Your Shoulder

^ Good post. Superman one-shots. 👆

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
^ Good post. Superman one-shots. 👆

Yeah it's funny to say, but Post Crisis Supes should fair FAR better against anitmatter blast than Pre-Crisis Supes because of that shift in DC's attitude. Seriously, there for a minute DC was treating antimatter as the "end all be all" of destruction. The way they portrayed it durability didn't even factor into it at all. The flame from an antimatter candle would eventually destroy positive matter Adamantium the way they seemed to be trying to set shit up(and I only say eventually because Adamantium is established as being ultradense and therefore contain quite a bit of matter compared to other materials).

carver9 Senior Member

@Dark...

Superman didnt deny it either. It was outright said that only cosmics could survive. Lol... scan proving that punching Ultraman is like punching antimatter. Is punching Juggernaut like punching magic? Is punching Hulk like punching gamma? What about Superman and Hyperion? Is punching them hot? Wtf!!!

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
@Dark...

Superman didnt deny it either. It was outright said that only cosmics could survive. Lol... scan proving that punching Ultraman is like punching antimatter. Is punching Juggernaut like punching magic? Is punching Hulk like punching gamma? What about Superman and Hyperion? Is punching them hot? Wtf!!!


It does demonstrate the shift I talked about though. Seriously, unless one or both of them had special protection like in COIE Pre-Crisis Supes hitting Ultraman would result in a missing hand for Supes and a hole in Ultraman. The two of them literally couldn't even exist in the same universe without that protection because the oxygen and even dark matter of the universe would be fatal to one of them.

carver9 Senior Member
Originally posted by darthgoober
It does demonstrate the shift I talked about though. Seriously, unless one or both of them had special protection like in COIE Pre-Crisis Supes hitting Ultraman would result in a missing hand for Supes and a hole in Ultraman. The two of them literally couldn't even exist in the same universe without that protection because the oxygen and even dark matter of the universe would be fatal to one of them.

It doesnt work like that though, with Ultraman. Nothing on panel states punching Ultraman is like punching Antimatter or punching Blue Marvel is like punching Anti-Matter. I understand you're trying to use real world logic here but we are talking about comics which means I need to see proof that your statement is valid.

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by carver9
It doesnt work like that though, with Ultraman. Nothing on panel states punching Ultraman is like punching Antimatter or punching Blue Marvel is like punching Anti-Matter. I understand you're trying to use real world logic here but we are talking about comics which means I need to see proof that your statement is valid.

I am using comicbook logic, the very logic DC once used in regards to antimatter. I'm not suggesting that Supes is ultra resistant to antimatter energy or anything like that, just that DC's has specifically established that hitting Ultraman IS in fact hitting a form of antimatter. That doesn't mean he can just smile his way through antimatter blasts from BM, just that things made of antimatter are not inherently damaging to DC characters the way they once were. Put it this way, during COIE Black Widow could have pulled a kamakazi kill against someone like Ultraman by giving him a kiss.

Adam Grimes Devil On Your Shoulder

It is stated they come from the Antimatter universe which is made out of... You guessed it, Antimatter.

Hulk is powered by gamma, not made out of gamma. That's a phucking bad comparison, friend.

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I literally posted a scan showing Superman saying punching Ultraman is punching antimatter....

Plus you're ignoring a gorilla and a cheetah girl literally standing there with no protection lmao.

9jaboy Senior Member
Originally posted by carver9
It doesnt work like that though, with Ultraman. Nothing on panel states punching Ultraman is like punching Antimatter or punching Blue Marvel is like punching Anti-Matter. I understand you're trying to use real world logic here but we are talking about comics which means I need to see proof that your statement is valid.

So your entire arguments is based on a statement. I thought you only cared about feats?
Why don't you also cling to this Superman's statement 'if we so much as touch the resulting explosion would annihilate us both' maybe because it doesn't help your case seeing as they actually did more than touching.

Next thing you'll tell me you're unbiased.

ShadowFyre Senior Member

Who gives a shot about the antimatter Carver? There is something way better in those scans. Can Superman and Ultraman be drowned? He didn't like that seawater apparently

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Originally posted by ShadowFyre
Who gives a shot about the antimatter Carver? There is something way better in those scans. Can Superman and Ultraman be drowned? He didn't like that seawater apparently

They still need to breathe, so....yeah.

carver9 Senior Member

Originally posted by Adam Grimes
It is stated they come from the Antimatter universe which is made out of... You guessed it, Antimatter.

Hulk is powered by gamma, not made out of gamma. That's a phucking bad comparison, friend.

So you're saying everyone that have made contact with Ultraman has dealt with Anti-Matter (tread carefully with the answer to the question)? This question applies to all that thinks this.

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I'm saying your scan is obv PIS, because it has clearly been shown that DC don't take it into account as Goob said.

Hell, Sinestro spent YEARS without a ring protecting him, and he was from the positive universe

darthgoober Senior Member

Originally posted by DarkSaint85
I'm saying your scan is obv PIS, because it has clearly been shown that DC don't take it into account as Goob said.

Hell, Sinestro spent YEARS without a ring protecting him, and he was from the positive universe


I don't think I'd call it PIS as much as inconsistent writing, those aren't really the same thing. If anything, showings that ignore the established reaction between positive and anti-matter would be closer to PIS. But since this is an "at their best" forum, I prefer to give characters the benefit of a doubt and assume that "default" fights will actually go down and not be settled by some kind of an auto-win technicality when there's showings that go both ways. But honestly, I can also understand carver's position because there definitely ARE showings to support his position too. I mean carv's not making that shit up, and what he's saying is supported by more than just that one scan. That kind of thing has come up multiple time in DC stories where the positive and antimatter universe interact with each other.

And let's face it, you and I know both know that anytime something that can be used in a similar fashion against Hulk gets published that carv gets trolled relentlessly with it regardless of how many conflicting showings Hulk has so turn about is fair play lol.