Black Panther vs. Lady Shiva

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Any proof that both Cap and normal DD should beat Shiva who is considered one of the top MA in DC and has move reading abilities?

DD has 1) better move/environment/biological/kinetic reading abilities then her, 2) is a man, 3) is as fast or faster 4) is considered one fthe top MA's on marvel earth 5) is more agile 6) is stronger.

As for cap, if you don't accept "because he's Steve-Frickin-Rogers" as acceptable proof of superiority then theres no hope for you, and in that case should apply reasons 2 through 6 from above with the added inclusion of unlimited stamina.

Originally posted by Juk3n
DD has 1) better move/environment/biological/kinetic reading abilities then her, 2) is a man, 3) is as fast or faster 4) is considered one fthe top MA's on marvel earth 5) is more agile 6) is stronger.

As for cap, if you don't accept "because he's Steve-Frickin-Rogers" as acceptable proof of superiority then theres no hope for you, and in that case should apply reasons 2 through 6 from above with the added inclusion of unlimited stamina.

Originally posted by Juk3n
DD has 1) better move/environment/biological/kinetic reading abilities then her, 2) is a man, 3) is as fast or faster 4) is considered one fthe top MA's on marvel earth 5) is more agile 6) is stronger.

As for cap, if you don't accept "because he's Steve-Frickin-Rogers" as acceptable proof of superiority then theres no hope for you, and in that case should apply reasons 2 through 6 from above with the added inclusion of unlimited stamina.

#1. Daredevil is a master of a handful of Martial arts. Lady Shiva is a master of multiple, multiple, multiple times as many.
#2. Your sexism is ignorant and childish.
#3. Where is your proof he has better move reading abilities than her?
#4. Daredevil is not as high on the list of Martial artists as she is, he's only a 5 in fighting skill.

Originally posted by Lunacyde

#4. Daredevil is not as high on the list of Martial artists as she is, he's only a 5 in fighting skill.

In DD's defense, I will say that 5 is almost certainly obsolete, he's in the upper ranks nowadays IMO.

On Shiva's side however, there's a reason why in-universe Shiva's rated higher than Batman by Batman.

Originally posted by Q99
In DD's defense, I will say that 5 is almost certainly obsolete, he's in the upper ranks nowadays IMO.

On Shiva's side however, there's a reason why in-universe Shiva's rated higher than Batman by Batman.

In the normal timeline almost everyone agrees Lady Shiva is # 1 or #2 among non-enhanced human martial artists.

Lady Shiva record is incredible crappy.

Her reputation means nothing compared to DD track record. Daredevil 6/10

Lady Shiva lowballing is hilarious.

Funny because its true.

Shiva is one of DC's top ma, and enhanced stats mean squat with her. She'll walk all over DD or Panther.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Funny because its true.

What's funnier is that you're such a Daredevil fanboy that you think this is a Daredevil vs thread.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
#4. Daredevil is not as high on the list of Martial artists as she is, he's only a 5 in fighting skill.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Shiva is one of DC's top ma, and enhanced stats mean squat with her. She'll walk all over DD or Panther.

Originally posted by Daredevil1
Lady Shiva record is incredible crappy.

Her reputation means nothing compared to DD track record. Daredevil 6/10

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lowballing by definition is fallacious.

What's funnier is that you're such a Daredevil fanboy that you think this is a Daredevil vs thread.

Originally posted by Juk3n
Marvel and DC don't share the same fighting scale you lunatic.

First of all thank you for noticing my lunacy.

Second of all that's not the point. The point is that on the Marvel scale a 5 means...

Proficiency (skill) in combat
1 = Poor
2 = Normal
3 = Some training
4 = Experienced fighter
5 = Master of a single form of combat
6 = Master of several forms of combat
7 = Master of virtually all conventional forms of combat

Lady Shiva has Mastered Multiple forms. Please use common sense and logic instead of throwing a hissy fit, Thank You.

You're a lunatic.

Originally posted by Mindset
You're a lunatic.

I know =)

Lets not misunderstand me though. Black Panther wins, but it's because of his skill coupled with his enhanced stats, he is not more skilled than her.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lowballing by definition is fallacious.

What's funnier is that you're such a Daredevil fanboy that you think this is a Daredevil vs thread.

LOL even I had to laugh at myself for that one.

Oh well. Both DD or BP can POWN Shiva. 🙂

Believe it. She has never proven herself against Batman(by defeating him). Shiva lost twice to Cass and the second time Cass left her for dead on a hook.

And then she got beat by Prom if friggin 3 secs. Seriously and don't give me that bull that she beat Richard since her hench men saved her from him.

You're using Cassandra Cain (who is considered arguably DC's best fighter) and Prometheus (who took an entire team of heroes with nothing but his skill helmet and won) as some kind of reasoning that BP or DD would beat her in h2h?

Originally posted by Daredevil1
LOL even I had to laugh at myself for that one.

Oh well. Both DD or BP can POWN Shiva. 🙂

Believe it. She has never proven herself against Batman(by defeating him). Shiva lost twice to Cass and the second time Cass left her for dead on a hook.

And then she got beat by Prom if friggin 3 secs. Seriously and don't give me that bull that she beat Richard since her hench men saved her from him.

You do realize that Cassie is basically Shiva trained from an extremely young age to be the most efficient and deadly assassin she could be and then trained by Batman on top of that...

Cassie knows 127 forms of combat, Daredevil knows 5.

Yes because Shiva's track record for being considered the best.... number 1 anyways..........sucks.

Maybe before those losses it was without question. But now a days I put all characters like Black Panther, Batman, Elektra, Cap, Daredevil, Cass, Shang Chi, Richard Dragon above her in a fight.

Plus BP or DD are also arguably one of the best "fighters" as well. Best martial artists there's a difference if you try a different method.