Black Panther vs. Lady Shiva

I'm telling you about info that is well known and a scan that has been posted multiple times. Not my fault you don't know this stuff.

I won't press it further because well, we're getting off topic.

Originally posted by Mindset
I'm telling you about info that is well known and a scan that has been posted multiple times. Not my fault you don't know this stuff.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Even going by things that happen in comics Shiva is superior to DD and BP (w/o enhancements).

Daredevil is adept in 5 styles IIRC. He is peak human at most physically.

Shiva is said to be a master of all styles, has displayed peak human reflexes, and has beaten opponents that are both Daredevil's peers physically, and know more styles than him.

Daredevil has stalemated Ironfist(before powerups) who is much more of a threat then Shiva. Plus DD has displayed levels of pressure point fighting that Shiva has never displayed of in my knowledge.

Shiva could be a master of all forms of combat but that won't mean squat if DD in one style has mastered it "better" then her multiple styles.

Heck Shang Chi is the master of kung fu and that one style of branches of kung fu(monkey, tiger etc) is still grand enough to make him candidate for one of the best skills, despite him not doing some of Daredevil techniques.

BP with his regular enhancement along with his training would get the better of her but Shiva makes him work for it

Comparing styles in comics is pretty stupid. Both are extremely skilled. There is no real favorite in skill.

#1. Not familiar with this...when did it happen? I agree DD is one of the best pressure point practitioners in comics.
#2. True, but you have to admit she has mastered quite a few of them pretty well having defeated opponents like Batman, Nightwing, Connor Hawke, Richard Dragon, Cassie, and many others.
#3. Shang Chi's reputation is greater than his record IMO, if you can prove otherwise I'd be delighted to learn.

#4 Agreed.

And just for clarification to Mindset the Cap scan says he is adept, which is impressive, but not the same as master.

just like Batman and Cassie "mastering" 127 different styles is hyperbole.

Number of styles really doesn't matter that much. One style done sufficiently well is all you need to be tops.

Originally posted by Juk3n
just like Batman and Cassie "mastering" 127 different styles is hyperbole.

Well, probably not so much. It was part of an encyclopedia of 'major' 'unarmed' styles that Bruce set up for Cassandra to study, with him going over each one.

If anything, it's low-balling the number they know.

Both LS and BP are masters of multiple styles.

Both have shown at least peak human reflexes.

BP has his enhanced attributes to his advantage, Shiva has her move reading.

It's a very close match despite what some might say.

Originally posted by Lunacyde

BP has his enhanced attributes to his advantage, Shiva has her move reading.

It's a very close match despite what some might say.

and Cap and BP don't.

Originally posted by Q99
Number of styles really doesn't matter that much. One style done sufficiently well is all you need to be tops.

That's why Batroc is a better match than BE 🙂

Originally posted by Lunacyde

And just for clarification to Mindset the Cap scan says he is adept, which is impressive, but not the same as master.

Originally posted by Mindset
Cap is adept at all fighting forms, BP is his peer.

That's exactly what I said.

And adept means an expert.

Originally posted by Q99

Well, probably not so much. It was part of an encyclopedia of 'major' 'unarmed' styles that Bruce set up for Cassandra to study, with him going over each one.

If anything, it's low-balling the number they know.

you think cassy cain "MASTERED" not "trained in" or is "adept in" I mean "completley mastering" 130+ different styles of martial arts in under 20 years is NOT hyperbole? Thats 2 months per style if she trained back to back WITHOUT sleep time, school, other skill building activites?

And this is NOT hyperbole?

Originally posted by Juk3n
just like Batman and Cassie "mastering" 127 different styles is hyperbole.

Originally posted by Q99
Number of styles really doesn't matter that much. One style done sufficiently well is all you need to be tops.

Well, probably not so much. It was part of an encyclopedia of 'major' 'unarmed' styles that Bruce set up for Cassandra to study, with him going over each one.

If anything, it's low-balling the number they know.

Originally posted by Juk3n
you think cassy cain "MASTERED" not "trained in" or is "adept in" I mean "completley mastering" 130+ different styles of martial arts in under 20 years is NOT hyperbole? Thats 2 months per style if she trained back to back WITHOUT sleep time, school, other skill building activites?

And this is NOT hyperbole?

#1. I was talking about Lady Shiva being a master of all forms, not Cassie.

#2. Cassie was raised to be an assassin by her father. She didn't go to school, she had no life outside of training and killing. She was taking down trained professionals so fast they needed high speed camera to see it before she turned 10.

#3. It's comics so stop trying to impose your own delusional rules on what she could accomplish.

@ Mindset - Adept can mean anything from skilled, proficient, all the way to expert. There is somewhat of a gap in between those synonyms.

Shiva should destroy him.

Originally posted by 753
Shiva should destroy him.

Nah, but she can beat him.

Originally posted by darthgoober
Wait, since when has Cassie ever been said to know all those styles? I know she's a 1st class fighter because of her ability to read moves, but I've never seen it said that she's mastered 127 different styles before.

Batman gives her a disk containing 127 forms of combat and tells her not to come see him till she has learned them all.

Originally posted by Lunacyde
Batman gives her a disk containing 127 forms of combat and tells her not to come see him till she has learned them all.

The Bat bluff.

Haha.