Philosophía
"The devil made me do it"
Originally posted by psycho gundam
h1's basing superman's movement (and his opponent's) on the assumption that heat vision is lightspeed.pr (ithink it was phil come to think of it), a superman debater already denounced this myth that heat vision and/or fictional beams for that matter are lightspeed all the time (though they "should" be).
for a supposed math minor, he really is quite a dolt considering math is largely dependent on reliable data. the scientific method gets abused by that guy too many times
It was me, arguing with ODG who wanted to make an absurd generalization of 'it's safe to assume that even random types of energy attacks are at least lightspeed, because most of those that were defined are', when not even those who are stated to be lightspeed within the pages of comics are portrayed consistently. It's easy to call instances of them being portrayed differently PIS (and in a cop-out fashion, say that it's not PIS when their favorite characters reacts to them, in a small panel from a random battle - yes I'm talking about Thor and these type of examples: http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed22Avengersv303.jpg ), but truth is, it all comes down to writer interpretations and/or them simply not thinking the implications of a random battle-panel.
I know that the comic community, and the versus forums in particular generally don't have a lot of it - but common sense should be used in these type of situations. Is the intention obvious, or is it just a throw-away scene? Is it consistent with the character's history? etc. It's quite asinine analyze the scenes differently, the same way it is to try to force an imaginary consistency to the whole comic universe and not take it on a case to case basis.
Sadly, the forum hasn't reached the point where the discussions can actually be progressive - everybody's too obsessed to pump-up their character with isolated panels/scenes, most of the time being twisted to the extreme and with leaps of logic to take the time and see the whole picture.
As an example, heat vision has been repeatedly defined as being a lightspeed type of energy. It would be rather convenient for me to just use the race from Flash between Superman and Wally where Superman exceeds the speed of his heat vision on foot to prove that he is faster than light. But I don't, because it's arguable that in that specific portrayal the HV wasn't lightspeed. And there are other examples, like ones where Superman outraces random energy beams from standing position.
Anyway this is getting too long, and I'm already bored, so I'm going to throw my 2 cents on this discussion. No, that scene doesn't prove that Superman can attain lightspeed within 3 meters. It is safer to assume that Superman just simply telegraphed his heat vision attack and then simply blitz-attacked the guy, without having to actually go faster than his HV.
But. There is an issue where Superman attains at least lightspeed within a small space by outracing an energy attack that has specifically been stated to be near-lightspeed in the same arc (0.99 I believe), so H1's not far off with his claims, based on faulty evidence as they are. It's the arc where Superman goes into space to fight a Galactus rip-off of some sorts, and Lois gets converted as one of his soldiers and Superman has to fight her. If you read it, you know what I'm talking about - eventough the story is quite forgettable. I can't give you the exact issue number because I don't have any comics on my computer at the moment, and that won't change for a few weeks.
