Originally posted by NemeBro
Apparently not, considering Mass Effect space combat makes use of super duper railguns, which can just barely do shit to the hull of a Reaper, the weaponry of a Reaper being able to tear through capital ships like butter.
They (the Alliance ships) do?
I did not know that. Then all that means is that the Reapers use super mega duper rail guns with a molten stream. Hardly a major point to contend about.
Originally posted by NemeBro
On a much smaller scale. Compared to Reapers, who can exert control over organisms (Collectors) over galactic+ distances.
That's not really how it works, actually. It is a passive thing (we have proof of that, too: the Dead Reaper near the center of the galaxy). More like they are just "sick" or brainwashed and they carry that with them after the Reapers get to them (it sounds like the Reapers are child molesters. No wonder they have always seemed creepy to me).
Originally posted by NemeBro
Don't get me wrong, I'm not denying the exponential growth of science and being a clownshoe like Neph,
I know you're not stupid enough to do that: not even close. Neph isn't either; he's just having a go.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I merely am expressing skepticism that we will reach Reaper technology in as little as 50-100 years. The Geth? Sure I could see us surpassing them in relatively short time, they're not that advanced, in comparison.
I can agree to this and concede the point. However, I still think the majority of reaper tech (minus the stuff that can never happen like genuine FTL travel) is understandable even with today's technology.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'd like to see you provide evidence for this. Mostly because it is awesome, but also because I'm not quite seeing the part where we will be on par with a race that is essentially a legion of two kilometer warships that can override the will of any organism in the galaxy, one formed of technology (And organic material) that allows them to wipe out fleets of ships alone. That's not Reaper technology, that's what a Reaper is.
I'm glad you asked.
Nanobots are being used now, in limited forms, to wipe out cancers. They can be made to actually cure cancer once we figure out how to program them better:
http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/modern-technology/nanobots-cure-cancer.htm (Dude...they even use a Mass Effect sounding name of "hyrogel" lolololololololol)
Nanbots can be used to upload and download information to and from our brains because they will be able to attach to and act as a transceiver for our neurons/synapses.
Also, the Seawise Giant was about a forth of the size of Sovereign and we built that years ago. Give the humans the anti-gravity technology and we could fly around in space, too. (lololol) Also, we are working on anti-gravity technology. Harnessing the "Casimir Effect" is one example (not true anti-gravity, but anti-gravity by some layman perspectives).
And the Reaper is just a giant computer: that's it. They are not as special as they made themselves out to be. In their large numbers the Alliance stands no chance, IMO. But just one or two can be taken down.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Not even counting that their teleportation technology apparently has enough energy stored inside to wipe out a solar system, not even counting actual weapons.
Design a system that is capable of changing matter directly into energy and you have a transporter system. The only problem: you need a magical device called a "Heisenberg compensator" in order for that technology to even exist. Yes, that's a magical device, not technological. Meaning, we will never have transporters.
Finding out how much mass is needed to convert into energy is simple to do: e=mc^2
1 kilogram of matter turned into energy is:
89,875,517,873,681,764 joules
The amount of energy required to blow up the earth is:
224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules.
So we'd need about 300 Billion kilograms of matter to be converted into energy to vaporize a planet. The off-handed statement about it being able to destroy the solar-system is probably just hyperbole.
If we could create anti-matter in mass scale find a system capable of holding that energy...we could come up with tons of energy, too. We can already create anti-matter. We can already store energy. Just no where near the scale of a Reaper (yet). Regardless, that much energy is actually useless for a single ship. And "wormhole" transportation is pretty much impossible...and it would require an infinite amount of energy to hold open a black hole. Where's your god now, Neme? HUH!?!?!?!?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Or the whole making a little base in the middle of a supermassive black hole.
They didn't.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Or their ability to take a galaxy-wide civilization, indoctrinate it, then essentially remake them on the genetic level (And adding some new bitz too) until they were a different species, with a single Reaper holding control over the entire species.
Let's be clear on what you're describing.
You're describing a galactic alliance that built their technology upon the Reaper's technology. The Reapers designed said technology in a way that would cause them to build their technology around this very same pre-planned technology. Meaning, it strongly influences the sapient species to develop on a specific path and then it makes them "ripe" for harvest by the Reapers. So when you bring up things like, "[beat] a galaxy-wide civilization" we need to be clear that that same civilization developed in a way to be ready to be harvested by the reapers."
Additionally, genetic manipulation is hardly "sci-fi". Get with the program, new. estahuh
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm sorry, but you will have to forgive my skepticism over us reaching that kind of level in as short as a hundred years. Sure, the Reapers are not the most sufficiently advanced aliens there are, but stfu and make me a sammich.
And you'll have to forgive my unforgiving attitude towards technology ignorance. I don't care much for the layman who constantly cry "nay!" when the world is literally passing them by exponentially in information. How can you sit there and say that when you've expired this exponential growth, first hand, for the last decade or more? We've gone from hundreds of polygons a second to millions of polygons a second in our video games. You've seen it. You've witnessed it...you don't even have to know the code and hardware to know that it is improved very steadily on an exponential growth scale.
Here's the problem and the solution: Exponential growth. Once you understand that, you can see why we have gone from a few FLOPS (read: 1) to 1 petaFLOP (read: 1,000,000,000,000,000) in about 60 years. Couple that with the FACT that our continued processing power is comfortably on schedule for at least 2 decades, we will see some very radical sh*t in the next 2 to 3 decades. Stuff that makes the silly PIS AI in Mass Effect look pathetic. Check this out: 2040-2050 is the decade we are supposed to see "God-like AI" born unless we put laws in place to regulate AI.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Good thing that Element Zero is nothing compared to the glimpses of Reaper tech that we have seen.
You say glimpses and I'll stick to the truth: there's not much left about this "magical" reaper technology you are all wet about.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Though really, it's not like Element Zero is bullshit tech or anything. It can reduce the mass of a massive starship so that it can travel at FTL speeds. Which is pretty cool.
Actually, it is a bullshit tech. It's magic, not science. Something Sci-Fi constantly calls upon when making stories. Might as well pretend it is polyjuice potion from Harry Potter because it works all the same: violate the laws of physics in supernatural ways.
Originally posted by NemeBro
While also traveling along the technological and evolutionary paths they impose upon the galaxy, so that they can't be a real threat to
T-that's my line. The cycle is every 50,000 years...roughly.
Don't get me wrong: I like Mass Effect and the stories. I also like the Sci-Fi elements. I just don't want people to continue to shit themselves over technology we are already working towards and technology that can never exist.
The Reaper AI will be reached and/or surpassed in our life-times...and we may not even die, ourselves, due to that. 😄
Is there an official Mass Effect thread? I want to move this post to that thread as I'm tired of posting about it in this thread. If someone finds that thread (I couldn't), link me either here or in PM and I'll start posting in there.
Originally posted by Smasandian
So your saying we will be able to travel to Jupiter in the next 60 years?
We could travel there, now, if we tried. The problem isn't technology: it is logistics.
Unless we did away with the concept of money, we will always be constrained by the necessity of money. If we funneled half of the money we spend on military straight to a NASA program designed for a Jupiter mission, we would be done in about 10 years. Remember what we did in the 60s? In a few short years, we went from "no manned space-flight" in America to the moon. That was without our current technologies. NASA needs about $100 billion more, annually, to do some of the really awesome stuff.
Originally posted by dadudemon
They (the Alliance ships) do?I did not know that. Then all that means is that the Reapers use super mega duper rail guns with a molten stream. Hardly a major point to contend about.
Yeah, Dreadnoughts in Mass Effect fire a 20 kg (Fairly small I know) slug at something like 9% the speed of light, and can fire IIRC once every three seconds, on average.
Not the most impressive SF technology, and might not be completely out of the realm of possibility IRL, but it is effectively a suped up railgun regardless. Really, the standard assault rifle is a fully automatic railgun.
That's not really how it works, actually. It is a passive thing (we have proof of that, too: the Dead Reaper near the center of the galaxy). More like they are just "sick" or brainwashed and they carry that with them after the Reapers get to them (it sounds like the Reapers are child molesters. No wonder they have always seemed creepy to me).
Only Harbinger directly controls them though, and can even possess specific ones.
I know you're not stupid enough to do that: not even close. Neph isn't either; he's just having a go.
Stfu. estahuh
I can agree to this and concede the point. However, I still think the majority of reaper tech (minus the stuff that can never happen like genuine FTL travel) is understandable even with today's technology.
Probably. I will admit based on what we have seen now, them being multiple millions of years old puts forward the notion that they are not as impressive as they should be (Though this could be easily explained with the old SF handwave of their technology stagnating after reaching this point due to a lack of creativity, I guess), for their age.
I'm glad you asked.Nanobots are being used now, in limited forms, to wipe out cancers. They can be made to actually cure cancer once we figure out how to program them better:
http://health.howstuffworks.com/medicine/modern-technology/nanobots-cure-cancer.htm (Dude...they even use a Mass Effect sounding name of "hyrogel" lolololololololol)Nanbots can be used to upload and download information to and from our brains because they will be able to attach to and act as a transceiver for our neurons/synapses.
I don't see anything about psychic powers. estahuh
I am a simple man. A simple man who enjoys the thought of flipping cars with my mind.
But no, seriously, that is indeed very cool.
Also, the Seawise Giant was about a forth of the size of Sovereign and we built that years ago. Give the humans the anti-gravity technology and we could fly around in space, too. (lololol) Also, we are working on anti-gravity technology. Harnessing the "Casimir Effect" is one example (not true anti-gravity, but anti-gravity by some layman perspectives).
Okay.
And the Reaper is just a giant computer: that's it. They are not as special as they made themselves out to be. In their large numbers the Alliance stands no chance, IMO. But just one or two can be taken down.
I am not disputing that. I am well-aware that Reapers can be destroyed. Sovereign was.
Design a system that is capable of changing matter directly into energy and you have a transporter system. The only problem: you need a magical device called a "Heisenberg compensator" in order for that technology to even exist. Yes, that's a magical device, not technological. Meaning, we will never have transporters.
That's pretty irrelevant to the fact that the Reapers do have them. Aka, they are effectively magic in comparison.
Finding out how much mass is needed to convert into energy is simple to do: e=mc^21 kilogram of matter turned into energy is:
89,875,517,873,681,764 joules
The amount of energy required to blow up the earth is:
224,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 joules.
So we'd need about 300 Billion kilograms of matter to be converted into energy to vaporize a planet. The off-handed statement about it being able to destroy the solar-system is probably just hyperbole.
"Statement"?
Oh no, this actually happens. A Mass Effect relay in the Arrival DLC explodes (Granted, this Relay was special and ran on Dark Energy IIRC), after being struck by an asteroid which breached something, taking out the Bahak system (A system of five planets and an asteroid belt) with it.
Thanks for the numbers though.
If we could create anti-matter in mass scale find a system capable of holding that energy...we could come up with tons of energy, too. We can already create anti-matter. We can already store energy. Just no where near the scale of a Reaper (yet). Regardless, that much energy is actually useless for a single ship. And "wormhole" transportation is pretty much impossible...and it would require an infinite amount of energy to hold open a black hole. Where's your god now, Neme? HUH!?!?!?!?
I wasn't aware that we could actually create anti-matter at the moment, but okay.
They didn't.
I'm pretty sure the impossibility of performing such a feat is brought up, with Shepard saying "Stfu they obviously have". And... Not seeing why I would think the game is lying to me.
Let's be clear on what you're describing.
You're describing a galactic alliance that built their technology upon the Reaper's technology. The Reapers designed said technology in a way that would cause them to build their technology around this very same pre-planned technology. Meaning, it strongly influences the sapient species to develop on a specific path and then it makes them "ripe" for harvest by the Reapers. So when you bring up things like, "[beat] a galaxy-wide civilization" we need to be clear that that same civilization developed in a way to be ready to be harvested by the reapers."
Additionally, genetic manipulation is hardly "sci-fi". Get with the program, new. estahuh
I wasn't really using "They beat them up" as a feat but okay. I was saying that they have an entire galaxy-faring race has their gene-enhanced, mind-controlled slaves.
I wasn't saying genetic manipulation was only the prospect of science fiction, only noting the scale they have done it on.
And you'll have to forgive my unforgiving attitude towards technology ignorance. I don't care much for the layman who constantly cry "nay!" when the world is literally passing them by exponentially in information. How can you sit there and say that when you've expired this exponential growth, first hand, for the last decade or more? We've gone from hundreds of polygons a second to millions of polygons a second in our video games. You've seen it. You've witnessed it...you don't even have to know the code and hardware to know that it is improved very steadily on an exponential growth scale.
No shit.
What we have here is a problem to communicate. What you are doing is for some asinine reason discounting everything impossible (Because it's "cheating" I guess), which I was never doing. I have been including such things from the start. I don't think that literally everything that the Reapers so much as touch with their sexy tentacles is far beyond the realm of human understanding, but some of it is far beyond what we are capable of. Both in scale and function (Even if it is largely due to it being fictional: If it had basis in real science, it wouldn't make them appear as advanced).
Here's the problem and the solution: Exponential growth. Once you understand that, you can see why we have gone from a few FLOPS (read: 1) to 1 petaFLOP (read: 1,000,000,000,000,000) in about 60 years. Couple that with the FACT that our continued processing power is comfortably on schedule for at least 2 decades, we will see some very radical sh*t in the next 2 to 3 decades. Stuff that makes the silly PIS AI in Mass Effect look pathetic. Check this out: 2040-2050 is the decade we are supposed to see "God-like AI" born unless we put laws in place to regulate AI.
I already said that I can see us surpassing the Geth in all or most ways, so I'm not entirely seeing your point.
You say glimpses and I'll stick to the truth: there's not much left about this "magical" reaper technology you are all wet about.
How do you know?
I'm not going to create elaborate "theories" on what could show up, but discounting the possibility is idiotic.
Actually, it is a bullshit tech. It's magic, not science. Something Sci-Fi constantly calls upon when making stories. Might as well pretend it is polyjuice potion from Harry Potter because it works all the same: violate the laws of physics in supernatural ways.
Woopty ****ing doo. Were you not the one who was claiming that Reapers in most ways don't have MAJIK technology? Why make such a claim if you think that the basis for the technology they planned for organics is essentially magic?
I don't give a shit if it is not possible, you bawling about it doesn't change the fact that it allows the Reapers to be capable of far greater feats than we can manage at the moment, and in some ways ever.
T-that's my line. The cycle is every 50,000 years...roughly.Don't get me wrong: I like Mass Effect and the stories. I also like the Sci-Fi elements. I just don't want people to continue to shit themselves over technology we are already working towards and technology that can never exist.
Yeah wasn't doing that, nor was I ever under the impression that we would ever achieve some of the technological feats the Reapers have, the most basic of said feats being FTL travel, which likely will never come to pass. I don't know what gave you the impression that I thought that.
The Reaper AI will be reached and/or surpassed in our life-times...and we may not even die, ourselves, due to that. 😄
This brings up a good question: Can you describe the Reaper AI for me? Has it ever been elaborated on in detail? If not, how can you definitely say "We will develop better" if you are unaware of its functions? The only legitimate criticism of them is of their Idiot Ball in how the Keepers managed to exacerbate shit for them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah, Dreadnoughts in Mass Effect fire a 20 kg (Fairly small I know) slug at something like 9% the speed of light, and can fire IIRC once every three seconds, on average.Not the most impressive SF technology, and might not be completely out of the realm of possibility IRL, but it is effectively a suped up railgun regardless. Really, the standard assault rifle is a fully automatic railgun.
It's coming back to me, now: I am remembering that stuff.
The problems we have now are our inability to keep the slug from vaping or slowing down so quickly. We also wear down our "tracks" too quickly from that speed. We achieved 19 km/s, recently...but the wear and tear is too great.
The wear and tear would be less in space. Additionally, the projectiles would not slow nearly as much. Much more practical in space.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Only Harbinger directly controls them though, and can even possess specific ones.
You're talking about the mindless biotic drone/soldier things? Yeah, those are different than what Saren was. They do that with a combination of genetic manipulation and cybernetics: the same thing we would do to accomplish the same type of control.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Probably. I will admit based on what we have seen now, them being multiple millions of years old puts forward the notion that they are not as impressive as they should be (Though this could be easily explained with the old SF handwave of their technology stagnating after reaching this point due to a lack of creativity, I guess), for their age.
And I will also concede that there may be a maximum point a true AI is willing to progress under our current understanding of computing. Quantum computing may never be a viable option and we will be stuck at no more than 10 qbits for eternity. That means we would be stuck with things like memristors or some other unknown technology that stops around the 15 nanometer scale (meaning, we have almost reached the point of how far we can miniaturize because we already have a 25 nm process for some of our chips). Based on what technology we are working on, now, we can continue to improve the way we are (exponentially) for bout another 10-15 years. That's more than enough to create true AI and more than enough to mature nanotechnology (as far as processing power goes).
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't see anything about psychic powers. estahuhI am a simple man. A simple man who enjoys the thought of flipping cars with my mind.
But no, seriously, that is indeed very cool.
Psychic powers? I don't believe in dat shit. Technologically assisted telepathy is an option, though. Being able to exchange information via our "cybernetic implants" is in the realm of "psychic". Mind reading...n'such.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I am not disputing that. I am well-aware that Reapers can be destroyed. Sovereign was.
My point was not that they could be destroyed with future technologies (that are largely based on what we have now). It was that they were not as god-like as Sovereign made them out to be.
Originally posted by NemeBro
That's pretty irrelevant to the fact that the Reapers do have them. Aka, they are effectively magic in comparison.
I understand that: I was the one that brought up the "seem magical", in the other thread. However, there are some technologies that are "magical" and cannot exist in this universe. FTL travel on the macroscopic scale is one of them.
Originally posted by NemeBro
"Statement"?Oh no, this actually happens. A Mass Effect relay in the Arrival DLC explodes (Granted, this Relay was special and ran on Dark Energy IIRC), after being struck by an asteroid which breached something, taking out the Bahak system (A system of five planets and an asteroid belt) with it.
Thanks for the numbers though.
I thought you were referring to the "warp core" of the Normandy. Not an actual Mass Effect relay.
Also, the "dark matter" excuse the Mass Effect writers came up with is shit. They should have used "zero-point" energy because then it becomes possible to have energy at those scales because you can exceed the planck time "constraint" and harness power at that level (something we have thought of, already). That also may be impossible, however. Nothing can "vibrate" in time scales smaller thank the planck level...making it impossible to actually use zero-point energy. In other words, "more magical bullshit that cannot exist in this universe".
Originally posted by NemeBro
I wasn't aware that we could actually create anti-matter at the moment, but okay.
We can: in stupid small quantities.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I'm pretty sure the impossibility of performing such a feat is brought up, with Shepard saying "Stfu they obviously have". And... Not seeing why I would think the game is lying to me.
They didn't build it IN the black hole: it was near it. That's what I was saying.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I wasn't really using "They beat them up" as a feat but okay. I was saying that they have an entire galaxy-faring race has their gene-enhanced, mind-controlled slaves.I wasn't saying genetic manipulation was only the prospect of science fiction, only noting the scale they have done it on.
Scale is only a problem of time and automation. Both of which, The Reapers have. They get to use the slaves from previous generations to accomplish their galaxy wide "cleaning." Not unbelievable for a sapient AI that has not ascended into "god-like" intelligence, yet.
Originally posted by NemeBro
No shit.What we have here is a problem to communicate. What you are doing is for some asinine reason discounting everything impossible (Because it's "cheating" I guess), which I was never doing. I have been including such things from the start. I don't think that literally everything that the Reapers so much as touch with their sexy tentacles is far beyond the realm of human understanding, but some of it is far beyond what we are capable of. Both in scale and function (Even if it is largely due to it being fictional: If it had basis in real science, it wouldn't make them appear as advanced)..
I will always discount the literal impossible in a discussion about what we can do in the real world and what we cannot do in a direct comparison to Sci-fi.
When I say "we will pass the Reapers in a few decades", I mean just that. Mind control? Yeah...we can do that in primitive forms already. Genetic energy at the fundamental level? Oh yeah: we are moderately mature in this area, already. My grandchildren are most likely going to be designed like they are in Gattica.
And to directly address what you're saying, it is possible to show the reapers being ultra-advanced without having to invoke magic. They could just have the Reapers but an ultra-advanced AI that borders on God-like ascension. Meaning, they would be able to moderately predict the future (very very specific things about it) and appear to be like Aizen but no mistakes. Then they could really make us look like pieces of shit WITHOUT having to invoke "magic" to get there.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I already said that I can see us surpassing the Geth in all or most ways, so I'm not entirely seeing your point.
I was not talking about just the Geth when I posted that. That was mostly a reference to The Reapers. Basically, Sovereign pretended to be "God-like" indirectly in several statements. That wasn't true. Obviously, he was "villain boasting" but that was what I was talking about.
Originally posted by NemeBro
How do you know?I'm not going to create elaborate "theories" on what could show up, but discounting the possibility is idiotic.
Because we saw an armed and fully operational Reaper fighting for it's life. Unless you're going to suggest CIS for Sovereign? Are you?
Additionally, my statement did include room for more technology reveals from the reapers:
" there's not much left about this "magical" reaper technology".
We pretty much know about their technology and what they do with it. Sure, it's better than the Alliance's.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Woopty ****ing doo.
You mad, bro?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Were you not the one who was claiming that Reapers in most ways don't have MAJIK technology? Why make such a claim if you think that the basis for the technology they planned for organics is essentially magic?
Yes. I was. You name the same magical technology more than once and you expect me to change my mind on it? (Hint...FTL travel...and the technology used to do that). And the "basis" of such technology is not essentially magic. Only one constituent part is: the Mass Relays/FTL travel.
Originally posted by NemeBro
I don't give a shit if it is not possible,
Of course you don't but it must be immediately discounted as a legitimate item to discuss when talking about fictional future techs.
Originally posted by NemeBro
you bawling about it doesn't change the fact that it allows the Reapers to be capable of far greater feats than we can manage at the moment, and in some ways ever.
You bawling about the fact that one of the technologies used (the only one that is definitely impossible by our current understanding) is not possible is not going to change the fact that the Reapers are not this god-like AI beings that you and they themselves think they are.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah wasn't doing that, nor was I ever under the impression that we would ever achieve some of the technological feats the Reapers have, the most basic of said feats being FTL travel, which likely will never come to pass. I don't know what gave you the impression that I thought that.
Mostly because of the last statement where you were crying about me pointing out that some things done in fiction just aren't...get this...possible. Other than that, yeah, Reaper-tech is possible. Mind control, mass genetic manipulation, cybernetics, super duper mega rail guns, strong AI: all of those are either being done now or are being worked on.
Originally posted by NemeBro
This brings up a good question: Can you describe the Reaper AI for me? Has it ever been elaborated on in detail? If not, how can you definitely say "We will develop better" if you are unaware of its functions? The only legitimate criticism of them is of their Idiot Ball in how the Keepers managed to exacerbate shit for them.
I believe I already explained this in this very same mass effect reply. Basically, god-like AI has moderate "omniscience". Meaning, it can moderately predict the future. Humans can already do this: did you know that? 😄
The Reapers can do this but very very mildly: the "progression" of sapient species with a dash of their technology ensures that the sapient species will ripen for harvest at a generally predictable rate. We could observe this now with current computer modeling if we had no ethics and the time to monitor such a galactic event: hardly the "strong AI" that I was referring to.
What is your position (other than wet panties) on the Reaper's AI? Do you think it is God-like (like predicted will happen with human tech sometime before 2050)?
Originally posted by BackFire
It's hard to argue that reaper tech is god level tech when in ME3 the reapers presumably get defeated by a bunch of mortals with assault rifles.
Bam!
Originally posted by Smasandian
I assume it will be on Origin exclusively.But in terms of saved games, I assume a file will need to be placed in the correct directory and it should work. There will probably be plenty of self-help peeps on the Steam forums, or other forums telling everybody exactly what to do.
Indeed. This is why I like gamers: we are generally very helpful to each other.
Yeah... dadudemon you have been consistently moving the goalposts of our argument since it started. Or, rather, we have been on different pages from the start.
Originally posted by NemeBro
The Reapers have can make space stations and fit them comfortably in the middle of the galaxy, safe from the supermassive black holes in the center.I'm going to go off on a limb here and say that humanity is not accomplishing anything rivaling that in 100 years.
This was what I said that started the argument.
Nowhere did I say Reaper AI was definitely "godlike" (Though Sovereign implies to a certain extent they can predict the future, though that might be villainous boasting).
Nor did I say that the Reapers were far beyond humanity's relatively near future in every possible way, only that overall, they are. Is that due to the presence of "pretend" elements (Like 'Element' Zero, hurhurhur) in the setting? Yeah sure. But I was never actually arguing for them without said elements in mind, which you were. I don't really fault you for doing so, but since we were from the get-go talking about different things and approaching this a different way, a conclusion to this argument can't be reached.
Much of what you were arguing against me, I wasn't really arguing against to begin with.
Also, you don't believe in psychic powers?
Originally posted by dadudemon
And nanobots, wirelessly linked, will produce even better "psychic powahs".
Y-you lied to me. cry EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
Originally posted by NemeBro
Yeah... dadudemon you have been consistently moving the goalposts of our argument since it started. Or, rather, we have been on different pages from the start.This was what I said that started the argument.
Nowhere did I say Reaper AI was definitely "godlike" (Though Sovereign implies to a certain extent they can predict the future, though that might be villainous boasting).
Nor did I say that the Reapers were far beyond humanity's relatively near future in every possible way, only that overall, they are. Is that due to the presence of "pretend" elements (Like 'Element' Zero, hurhurhur) in the setting? Yeah sure. But I was never actually arguing for them without said elements in mind, which you were. I don't really fault you for doing so, but since we were from the get-go talking about different things and approaching this a different way, a conclusion to this argument can't be reached.
Much of what you were arguing against me, I wasn't really arguing against to begin with.
I disagree. The implications of such an argument carry quite a bit of baggage. Namely, the baggage of AI. They are synthetic lifeforms: the ultimate AI in the ME Universe. My comment directly applied to the level of intelligence of that AI. So when you made a comment about them being able to build a station near the SMBH at the center of the galaxy, you were literally directly commenting on the level of their AI. It was only after that that you brought in other elements such as their various Reapers techs (go back and review the convo to see that). Some of the Reaper tech is literally magic and can never be done in this universe because it defies physics (such as requiring a greater than an infinite amount of energy to move faster than the speed of light....which is stupid).
Originally posted by NemeBro
Also, you don't believe in psychic powers?Y-you lied to me. cry EXPLAIN YOURSELF.
I put that in quotes for a reason: I was distancing myself from a literal reading. Psychic powers are things like telepathy, remote viewing, mind reading, contacting the deceased, etc.
Nanabots that interface at the synapse level can allow all of those except contacting the deceased.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree. The implications of such an argument carry quite a bit of baggage. Namely, the baggage of AI. They are synthetic lifeforms: the ultimate AI in the ME Universe. My comment directly applied to the level of intelligence of that AI. So when you made a comment about them being able to build a station near the SMBH at the center of the galaxy, you were literally directly commenting on the level of their AI. It was only after that that you brought in other elements such as their various Reapers techs (go back and review the convo to see that). Some of the Reaper tech is literally magic and can never be done in this universe because it defies physics (such as requiring a greater than an infinite amount of energy to move faster than the speed of light....which is stupid).
Not directly on the sophistication of their AI, just their technological capabilities. While much of it is impossible by IRL standards, I was never discounting such things. Nor was I actually trying to seriously try and argue that Mass Effect is a completely realistic depiction of the technological paths we were take, nor was I trying to use it as some reference guide as such.
I put that in quotes for a reason: I was distancing myself from a literal reading. Psychic powers are things like telepathy, remote viewing, mind reading, contacting the deceased, etc.Nanabots that interface at the synapse level can allow all of those except contacting the deceased.
I was joking, *****. estahuh
Originally posted by NemeBro
Not directly on the sophistication of their AI, just their technological capabilities. While much of it is impossible by IRL standards, I was never discounting such things. Nor was I actually trying to seriously try and argue that Mass Effect is a completely realistic depiction of the technological paths we were take, nor was I trying to use it as some reference guide as such.
I think there was only two things that were literally impossible: namely the FTL travel and the "gate jumping"...which is just more FTL travel.
You only argued that we would not reach a point like the Reapers in 100 years. My point was that there was nothing remarkable about Reaper tech (beyond their magic stuff) and we were working on many of their techs, now. Probably the thing that we achieve first will be AI that is stronger than the Geth. Probably the thing we will achieve next is true master of genetics (we may get this, first).
Originally posted by NemeBro
I was joking, *****. estahuh
I know you were. To paraphrase something I said to Axel in the OTF: one of the funnest things on the interwebz is to take an obvious joke statement seriously and respond to it seriously. It makes the other person groan and you lol. Hmmm...kind of like Michael Scott did in The Office when others would say things sarcastic and he would take it seriously.
Originally posted by dadudemon
I think there was only two things that were literally impossible: namely the FTL travel and the "gate jumping"...which is just more FTL travel.You only argued that we would not reach a point like the Reapers in 100 years. My point was that there was nothing remarkable about Reaper tech (beyond their magic stuff) and we were working on many of their techs, now. Probably the thing that we achieve first will be AI that is stronger than the Geth. Probably the thing we will achieve next is true master of genetics (we may get this, first).
Putting a base in a black hole (STFU HAVEN'T SEEN PROOF THIS IS NOT DONE), destroying solar systems (I don't think this will ever be possible, but I could be wrong on this, regardless I do doubt that it will be possible soon).
On a somewhat-related but sort of off-topic point, do you think that sometime in the near future we will have developed viable and acquirable technology for extending lifespans to a good degree, if not acquire biological immortality?
I know you were. To paraphrase something I said to Axel in the OTF: one of the funnest things on the interwebz is to take an obvious joke statement seriously and respond to it seriously. It makes the other person groan and you lol. Hmmm...kind of like Michael Scott did in The Office when others would say things sarcastic and he would take it seriously.
You are a subtle ass troll, you know that?
Originally posted by NemeBro
Putting a base in a black hole (STFU HAVEN'T SEEN PROOF THIS IS NOT DONE), destroying solar systems (I don't think this will ever be possible, but I could be wrong on this, regardless I do doubt that it will be possible soon).
They didn't put the base IN the blackhole. Destroying solar systems may never be possible beyond using super novas (there are some people that think we could cause supernovas...which is possible). It is just not a logistical undertaking so humans will never work towards it.
Originally posted by NemeBro
On a somewhat-related but sort of off-topic point, do you think that sometime in the near future we will have developed viable and acquirable technology for extending lifespans to a good degree, if not acquire biological immortality?
Yes, the near future. Ray Kurzweil's estimates put this at about 2-3 decades off with nanbots. The conservative estimates put this off at a bit before 2050 (unrelated to the technological singularity, by the way).
Originally posted by NemeBro
You are a subtle ass troll, you know that?
It's only trolling if you are doing it to make people angry, not have a laugh at you (not with you). I do enjoy trolling IN REAL LIFE, but trolling on the internetz is lame. What do I mean by "real life"? I mean things like farting in an elevator, hiding sandwiches from people when they turn their back (I do this to my wife all the time), and putting a Windows shutdown script into someone's startup folder (try this...it is hilarious. They will log into windows and it starts to log them out, immediately, because the startup script shuts it down when Windows runs down the list of things in the startup folder).