John McClane versus Rorschach...

Originally posted by Robtard
Correct; this in only looking at foes he's faced and walked away from with all vertebra intact. If we factor in all the falls, drops, explosions and collisions he's survived, his neck is indeed made of something on par with admantium.

Are all green berets kickass with a bow and arrow like Rambo is? No. Nuff said.

Originally posted by jinXed by JaNx
He might have been killed by a smurf but that smurf was a God. McClane is not a good pugilist but he has incredible durability and endurance. His Aggressiveness and durability are usually what guarantee him a victory. Ink Dots is definitely a better brawler and i think his aggressiveness and durability is better than McClanes. I don't think McClane would have gotten up after taking a punch from Ozymandias, Ink Dots took a couple dozen.

Not a god. Percieved as a god.

Would a god have fallen for the old tachyon particle interference gag like that? 😉

I actually do think he coulda possibly got up. Especially in comic book physics/PIS universe like if hes in the watchmen universe.

I wonder how well Rorschach woulda held up in non-comicbook New York/LA. He was still human and all humans who try killing McClane tend to die..

This isn't a ring fight, it's in the Comedians apartment. There's shit everywhere for Mac to use. Hell, just look at the kitchen.

Mac vs Lerch, DH 3: Mac is down. "I'm just gonna lay here for a minute." What happened?

That's a rhetorical question.

I disagree, RJ on the Riggs ability assessment..

Otherwise it stands to reason that Riggs woulda just broken every opponent's neck, were he that good at it.

And he is easy destroyed in combat with a simple boxing, despite the chop socky faggotry he displays.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
I disagree, RJ.

Otherwise it stands to reason that Riggs woulda just broken every opponent's neck, were he that good at it.

And he is easy destroyed in combat with a simple boxing, despite the chop socky faggotry he displays.

FF to 5:22

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Riggs enters the room unarmed, takes on the room full of armed baddies, breaks a guys neck like it was a toothpick. KO's another. Uses another's gun to cap a third, then blows the guts out of the fourth. All this after being tortured to near unconsciousness by Inzo, killing Inzo, and freeing himself.

This scene alone proves that Riggs is better than Mac in CQC/H2H combat. Dunno why I am even bothering, I already stated this in the old thread, but it went ignored.

No Need. Ive seen it.

Likewise. Riggs was thoroughly beaten by basic jab. Undeniable.

McClane dies.... hard.

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
No Need. Ive seen it.

Likewise. Riggs was thoroughly beaten by basic jab. Undeniable.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
FF to 5:22

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Riggs enters the room unarmed, takes on the room full of armed baddies, breaks a guys neck like it was a toothpick. KO's another. Uses another's gun to cap a third, then blows the guts out of the fourth. All this after being tortured to near unconsciousness by Inzo, killing Inzo, and freeing himself.

This scene alone proves that Riggs is better than Mac in CQC/H2H combat. Dunno why I am even bothering, I already stated this in the old thread, but it went ignored.

Tell me sumthin.....Do you like Fantasy football? What about Final Fantasy, the game? Ever heard of Xanadu?

You dont understand RJ.

I know what clip that was, but since you habitually judge any character I support the argument for by their lowest point instead of the whole range range of abilities/achievements, I thought I'd apply that same thing to Riggs, and you know what..? Riggs by that standard fails wayyyyy before McClane in that regard.

Basic Jab. Shuts down Riggs. = Riggs gets his ass beat.
Pretty simple math huh, Bob? 😉

In the ring or not, If Riggs is too slow and awkward has no way of avoiding even a basic Jab, then he'd be too off balance/getting knocked out to retaliate. Cause McClane would follow his jab up with WAY more than "more jabs followed by stopping out of mercy when Riggs is out of breath and concussed like that bloke in the clip did..".

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
You dont understand RJ.

I know what clip that was, but since you habitually judge any character I support the argument for by their lowest point instead of the whole range range of abilities/achievements, I thought I'd apply that same thing to Riggs, and you know what..? Riggs by that standard fails wayyyyy before McClane in that regard.

Basic Jab. Shuts down Riggs. = Riggs gets his ass beat.
Pretty simple math huh, Bob? 😉

In the ring or not, If Riggs is too slow and awkward has no way of avoiding even a basic Jab, then he'd be too off balance/getting knocked out to retaliate. Cause McClane would follow his jab up with WAY more than "more jabs followed by stopping out of mercy when Riggs is out of breath and concussed like that bloke in the clip did..".

You're focusing on LW4 Riggs, man. ALL of his feats count, and we go by HIGH end feats here. I do it. Rob does it (He's the one who sold me on it, BTW), Mattie does it, DDM does it. We all use high end feats here. Get used to it.

High= The vid I posted.

Low= Getting pwned in a boxing ring.

See how that works? The high end feat is what counts. Now, when we talk low end feats: Riggs was pwned by a big ass young cop who was a badass boxer. Mac? Pwned by a girl. See how THAT works? Hell, Mac got his ass beat down......I lost count how many times. Riggs? Twice (More like 1 1/2). Mac? He has trouble with one opponent. Riggs? He routinely takes on 3 and 4 men at a time, breaks their necks, disarms them, kills them, then goes home and watches the Stooges.

I will add, however, that towards the end of his 2nd fight with Li, Riggs had him on the ropes, right before Li was choking him out. A helluva lot better than DH4 Mac would have done. And no, Murtaugh did shit in that fight. All Murtaugh did in all 4 movies is drive the car and shoot his gun every once in a while.

Riggs was faster in LW4 than Mac was in DH1, fact. Another fact? Riggs AND Mac both had their lives saved. Riggs, he had his life saved by a trained detective. Mac? He had his life saved by a computer geek. Another thing: In LW4, Riggs took on like 4 asians at once in Murtaugh's house and wtf pwned their asses. Only Li was man enough to take him down.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand let's see....Take Mac and Riggs, have them switch places.......Hmm..........See below:

Mac: He dies when he takes a family of .44's to the lung. Six .44 caliber bullets in the lung, and Riggs lived. Mac? He went down after being shot once by a 9mm in the shoulder.

Riggs: He clears all 4 DH movies without breaking a sweat.

You wanted simple math? You got it.

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
You're focusing on LW4 Riggs, man. ALL of his feats count, and we go by HIGH end feats here. I do it. Rob does it (He's the one who sold me on it, BTW), Mattie does it, DDM does it. We all use high end feats here. Get used to it.

High= The vid I posted.

Low= Getting pwned in a boxing ring.

See how that works? The high end feat is what counts. Now, when we talk low end feats: Riggs was pwned by a big ass young cop who was a badass boxer. Mac? Pwned by a girl. See how THAT works? Hell, Mac got his ass beat down......I lost count how many times. Riggs? Twice (More like 1 1/2). Mac? He has trouble with one opponent. Riggs? He routinely takes on 3 and 4 men at a time, breaks their necks, disarms them, kills them, then goes home and watches the Stooges.

I will add, however, that towards the end of his 2nd fight with Li, Riggs had him on the ropes, right before Li was choking him out. A helluva lot better than DH4 Mac would have done. And no, Murtaugh did shit in that fight. All Murtaugh did in all 4 movies is drive the car and shoot his gun every once in a while.

Riggs was faster in LW4 than Mac was in DH1, fact. Another fact? Riggs AND Mac both had their lives saved. Riggs, he had his life saved by a trained detective. Mac? He had his life saved by a computer geek. Another thing: In LW4, Riggs took on like 4 asians at once in Murtaugh's house and wtf pwned their asses. Only Li was man enough to take him down.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand let's see....Take Mac and Riggs, have them switch places.......Hmm..........See below:

Mac: He dies when he takes a family of .44's to the lung. Six .44 caliber bullets in the lung, and Riggs lived. Mac? He went down after being shot once by a 9mm in the shoulder.

Riggs: He clears all 4 DH movies without breaking a sweat.

You wanted simple math? You got it.

Whilst I agree with what you said, I have seen you try to use a person's lowest showings against them. -.-

Originally posted by Kaibs
Whilst I agree with what you said, I have seen you try to use a person's lowest showings against them. -.-

Originally posted by Rogue Jedi
If I ever do, feel free to call me out on it.

No problemo sir.

Originally posted by Kaibs
Whilst I agree with what you said, I have seen you try to use a person's lowest showings against them. -.-

+1

More simple math for ya, RJ, since you seemed to take the Robo-quote so personally.

😛

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
+1

More simple math for ya, RJ, since you seemed to take the Robo-quote so personally.

😛

Nah, you see, when I am arguing against someone and using a low end feat, and someone brings up their high end feat, I acknowledge it. You, you are obsessed with Riggs in LW4. It's like you don't even know LW1-3 exist. It's like you think LW4 feats are law and the rest of Riggs feats don't count.

Ever try and talk sense into a kid, and all the kid does is cover their ears and go "Nananananananana!!!" That's what it like when debating McClane with you.

And as for the "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand let's see....Take Mac and Riggs, have them switch places.......Hmm..........See below:

Mac: He dies when he takes a family of .44's to the lung. Six .44 caliber bullets in the lung, and Riggs lived. Mac? He went down after being shot once by a 9mm in the shoulder.

Riggs: He clears all 4 DH movies without breaking a sweat." bit, thats ridiculous supposition on your part as due to Riggs being a part a psuedogay relationship where his partner saves his ass constantly as in the example of the shooting....

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
And as for the "Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand let's see....Take Mac and Riggs, have them switch places.......Hmm..........See below:

Mac: He dies when he takes a family of .44's to the lung. Six .44 caliber bullets in the lung, and Riggs lived. Mac? He went down after being shot once by a 9mm in the shoulder.

Riggs: He clears all 4 DH movies without breaking a sweat." bit, thats ridiculous supposition on your part as due to Riggs being a part a psuedogay relationship where his partner saves his ass constantly as in the example of the shooting....

And here we go again....

Riggs was saved exactly twice by Murtaugh.

Mac? He was saved twice too. Once by Al, once by Farrell.

Both had constant support through all four movies. Riggs had Murtaugh. Mac had Al in DH1, Marv in DH2, Zeus in DH3, and Farrell in DH4. Not to mention the FBI.

So you see, they both had constant support, and both had their lives saved by others twice. Even Steven.

Here YOU go again, you mean lol

McClane had support from a few people...sure. No dispute there.

But he didn't have a constant, professionally appointed partner for him 24/7 to watch his ass/kill the many people who were shown beating Riggs, neccessitating intervention.

Die Hards = Rambo/"Lone wolf alone against the odds" mould.
(Admittedly, not AS much in no.3..)

Lethal Weapons = Action buddy movie/comparatively a manlove drama mould.
(perhaps not so much in no 4 til Jet Li whips Riggs/Mrs.Murtaugh's ass.)

Originally posted by Sadako of Girth
Here YOU go again, you mean lol

McClane had support from a few people...sure. No dispute there.

But he didn't have a constant, professionally appointed partner for him 24/7 to watch his ass/kill the many people who were shown beating Riggs, neccessitating intervention.

Die Hards = Rambo/"Lone wolf alone against the odds" mould.
(Admittedly, not AS much in no.3..)

Lethal Weapons = Action buddy movie/comparatively a manlove drama mould.
(perhaps not so much in no 4 til Jet Li whips Riggs/Mrs.Murtaugh's ass.)

BTW, LW4 Riggs did a helluva lot better than any version of Mac would have done against Li.

Nope theres no 'Nah' involved. Its simply fact.

Purely speculative on your part. And McClanes never needed saving THAT badly, and not so repeatedly by the same guy, THATS for sure.