Originally posted by Omega VisionBut then it would only be half of infinity.
In the case of Emperor Joker most of his power was stripped from him, and in the beginning he was at AC #1 levels. As his will fought against the Joker's influence and he remembered the old reality he regained his power and identity.Simply put his will is a power of its own separate from his sun-given powers.
Lifting the Infinite Book (Infinity divided by two is still Infinity 😉 ) for one.
Originally posted by Omega VisionBut zero is nothing.You can't cut nothing in half.
What's half of zero?
But see you can cut infinity in half thats less then full infinity but still infinity.
I mean if you count 1,2,3...all the way to infinity thats full numbers.If you can't 2,4,6...al the way to infinity its still counting to infinity buts its only half as many numbers.Thus its still infinity but only half of it.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
But zero is nothing.You can't cut nothing in half.But see you can cut infinity in half thats less then full infinity but still infinity.
I mean if you count 1,2,3...all the way to infinity thats full numbers.If you can't 2,4,6 its still counting to infinity buts its only half as many numbers.Thus its still infinity but only half of it.
There's a hole in that logic, namely that you'll never stop counting so even if the rate of accumulation of numbers is greater in the first case it won't matter.
Originally posted by Omega VisionNo you won't stop counting for either.It goes on to infinity for both.But its still double the numbers for the former over the latter.
You also can't cut infinity in half.There's a hole in that logic, namely that you'll never stop counting so even if the rate of accumulation of numbers is greater in the first case it won't matter.
Originally posted by Black bolt z
No you won't stop counting for either.It goes on to infinity for both.But its still double the numbers for the former over the latter.
Originally posted by -Pr-
i honestly disagree in that case. i think it was a combination of the two.
T-Vo is a mental discipline which means concentration is used. Concentration increases willpower and this is one way in which you can beat a GL, stopping his ability to concentrate.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
In the case of Emperor Joker most of his power was stripped from him, and in the beginning he was at AC #1 levels. As his will fought against the Joker's influence and he remembered the old reality he regained his power and identity.
He still had some of his power.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Simply put his will is a power of its own separate from his sun-given powers.
You haven't proven that, your just saying it is. You still haven't explained T-Vo.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Lifting the Infinite Book (Infinity divided by two is still Infinity 😉 ) for one.
Im starting to see why people call him PIS man. How on earth does he have infinite power when there are loads of examples of him being overwhelmed by much less?
Also heres more on T-vo. It obvosuly involves concentration. You can't have that as your powerset and not have affect your willpower.
http://img525.imageshack.us/f/37061107bs5.jpg/
Originally posted by Deadline
T-Vo is a mental discipline which means concentration is used. Concentration increases willpower and this is one way in which you can beat a GL, stopping his ability to concentrate.
that doesn't mean his willpower is necessarily greatly affected by his powerset, though.
edit: actually no. imo willpower increases concentration, not the other way around. that's assuming you even want to divide them in the first place when they could very well be considered the same thing by some.
Originally posted by Deadline
Also heres more on T-vo. It obvosuly involves concentration. You can't have that as your powerset and not have affect your willpower.http://img525.imageshack.us/f/37061107bs5.jpg/
i think you have it the wrong way round. if anything it would be his willpower that makes him better with t-vo.
(even though superman writers don't even use it anymore)
Originally posted by -Pr-
that doesn't mean his willpower is necessarily greatly affected by his powerset, though.edit: actually no. imo willpower increases concentration, not the other way around. that's assuming you even want to divide them in the first place when they could very well be considered the same thing by some.
i think you have it the wrong way round. if anything it would be his willpower that makes him better with t-vo.
(even though superman writers don't even use it anymore)
It can work both ways but its a fact in comics that concentration helps boost your willpower.
Willpower can obvoulsy increase ability to concentrate and T-vo, that doesn't change the fact that concentration does increase willpower. Not sure if I have explained that well.
edit: At any rate Superman specifically stated that he needed to concentrate and he had learnt T-Vo. Eventhough he has a strong wilpower he had to increase his abilit to concentrate.
Re: Captain America vs. Superman: The Ultimate Hero
Originally posted by Black bolt z
1: Who would more likely sacrifice themselves to save one person?2: Who has a stronger will?
3: Who is more humble/noble?
4: Who is more idolized?
5: Who has preformed more evil/bad deeds?
6: Who would you rather be in comics?
7: Who would you rather be in real life?
1. Captain America would find a way to win, so Superman wins this one.
2. Cap
3. Superman in more noble , Cap is more humble .
4. Superman is universally idolized.
5. Cap has killed coutless natzies, Superman (while brainwashed) has tried to take over the world for Darkseid . Supes win this one.
6. Captian America
7. Superman
Originally posted by Deadline
T-Vo is a mental discipline which means concentration is used. Concentration increases willpower and this is one way in which you can beat a GL, stopping his ability to concentrate.He still had some of his power.
You haven't proven that, your just saying it is. You still haven't explained T-Vo.
Im starting to see why people call him PIS man. How on earth does he have infinite power when there are loads of examples of him being overwhelmed by much less?
Originally posted by Deadline
It can work both ways but its a fact in comics that concentration helps boost your willpower.Willpower can obvoulsy increase ability to concentrate and T-vo, that doesn't change the fact that concentration does increase willpower. Not sure if I have explained that well.
edit: At any rate Superman specifically stated that he needed to concentrate and he had learnt T-Vo. Eventhough he has a strong wilpower he had to increase his abilit to concentrate.
how is it a fact?
increasing your ability to concentrate =/= concentrating harder.
Originally posted by Omega Vision
Who the **** cares about T-Vo? It's not even in continuity anymore.
there is that.
Originally posted by -Pr-
how is it a fact?increasing your ability to concentrate =/= concentrating harder.
Because thats how GLs utlise willpower, concentration. In fact you can't really do any mental act without concentrating to a degree. You are even having to concentrate to type your post.
Originally posted by -Pr-
there is that.
Don't you mean he doesn't use it anymore or hasn't for awhile.
Originally posted by Deadline
Because thats how GLs utlise willpower, concentration. In fact you can't really do any mental act without concentrating to a degree. You are even having to concentrate to type your post.Don't you mean he doesn't use it anymore or hasn't for awhile.
Originally posted by Omega VisionIt goes on forever but it is still only half of it.It may still be infinity but it is a lesser form then infinity.School does teach me something.
It's not double the numbers...things like "double", "triple", and "half" don't apply when you have a number that limitless in its scope, just like half and double don't apply when you're talking about zero.
Like if you have natural numbers vs. integers.Naturals are 1,2,3...the counting numbers.Integers are 1,-1,2,-2,3,-3...counting numbers and thier opposites.Both go onto infinity but integers go farther then naturals.Thus one infinity can be more or less then another.
